Albert Pujols' contract gets even worse
Although the official details of Pujols' new contract have yet to be made public, ESPN reports that the deal has been backloaded, specifically to allow the Angels fit CJ Wilson into the budget. The result is that Pujols' annual salary will climb to over $30 million towards the end of the deal.
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remove the $20M contract of shame
Attach the $30M contract of triumph!
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by natteringnabob on Dec 30, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions
Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 31, 2011 12:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
They managed to give out a contract that will be worse than A-Rod’s. Well done Angels.
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Will be?
May be. If Arod can’t stay healthy, and Pujols does, then it’ll be a better deal.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Thats the question
And it’s not just health- it’s productivity. Even the best players get worse and more injury prone as they age the majority of the time. Pujols will be making more when he’s declining than he will be when he’s good, so I think that makes it a worse deal.
Time will tell though. Maybe Pujols (and possibly A-Rod too hopefully) will both defy age.
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I can get behind that.
But Arod is already clearly showing he is not going to defy age unless this procedure in Germany, which looks terribly like cheating (or a loophole to not get suspended for it), works wonders.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
how is modern medicine cheating?
his procedure is within the legal realm of the MLB so why shouldn’t he be allowed to get the best treatment possible? The same goes for Colon. You can’t almost cheat. You cheat or you don’t cheat and i’m pretty sure taking material from a player’s own body and putting them back in to heal an injury is not cheating.
Isn't HGH modern medicine?
Or no? I don’t really know. There’s an article on Yahoo discussing the procedure.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
By Passan?
If it’s by him, it has absolutely no credibility at all.
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His credibility shouldn't have much to do with the article.
It’s not much of an opinion piece.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Just pointing out that modern medicine can be cheating.
You asked. I never said anything was illegal.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
You did use the word "loophole" implying you thought it should be illegal.
The “modern medicine” comment was really questioning your basis for that.
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by Q-TDSK on Dec 30, 2011 3:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I meant loophole as in it's a legal alternative that may eventually not be for whatever reason
I don’t know what the future holds, but it sounds like it does some of the same stuff as some PED. That’s what I meant. Not that it should be, but that it might be.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Where that line is drawn is a question that fascinates me.
I think you could argue that any medical procedure is PED-like.
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by Q-TDSK on Dec 30, 2011 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yankees gave him the OK
doubt they would’ve said yes to the procedure was frowned upon. and the procedure involves using your own blood!
maybe
inflation will skyrocket, and player salaries will be averaging $30M by then. It could be a great bargain!
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by natteringnabob on Dec 30, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
They were going to have to pay him the amount of the contract, regardless. Who cares how much they have to pay him in any given year?
Romine!
Payroll constraints, tradability, etc.
The Angels might care down the line.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
People paying mortgages with balloon payments certainly think differently about them when the payment comes due in 5 years.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 30, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Because paying him 30 million when he’s old and likely both injury prone and not as good is much worse than paying him 30 million when he’s the best player in baseball.
I don’t like A-Rod’s contract, but I’d much rather give him 30 million right now when he’s still a legitimate cleanup hitter and a legitimate threat when healthy rather than give him 30 million when he’s 42 and will likely be nothing more than a shell of his former self.
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But you're forgetting
With the contract structured the way it is, they were able to sign Wilson. Would they have been able to sign him if they were paying Pujols 30 million now? It gives them the flexibility to put a better team together while Pujols is still quite productive and they will have a better opportunity to win. Basically, if they were paying him the 30 mil a season now they might now be able to acquire the other pieces to win. Pujols is still capable of putting up big numbers and can help the team get there. I think if you’re gonna give a guy a ridiculous contract, this is the way to go.
Romine!
When do you think acquiring extra high priced FA pieces is more important?
Now, when Pujols is raking? Or later when Pujols isn’t hitting at an MVP type of level?
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
What about winning later?
They already have a good chance to win now with a possible MVP on their team who won’t perform at this level for long, and when he stops performing at that level will be the time when he’s getting to be the most expensive, leaving less payroll flexibility, likely leading to less winning. Does this make sense?
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know what else I can write… I explained it. They didn’t sign him with the intent of winning in 7 years, they signed him to win now and I, as apparently the Angels do too, would rather have the financial flexibility to add other pieces while Pujols is productive, giving them a better chance of actually winning it all. Who knows what will happen in 7, 8, 9 years?
Romine!
Also remember luxury tax matters
the limit figures to be higher in 2017 than it is now. If Pujol’s salary is 10% of the limit now, maybe by the time he’s making 30M, he’ll only be 8%.
They're constructing their team to win within the next 4 or 5 years
If they don’t, then well… thats sucks for them. Because they’ll have a tough time winning after that giving a fifth of their payroll to a 40 year old Albert Pujols.
That wasn’t my point though. This may be better for their team right now, but I was just comparing Pujols’ contract to A-Rod’s without taking anything else into account. Both were the best in the game at the time the contract was given out. Both are huge 10 year deals. And I think it’s better to frontload it than to backload it. Pay them more when they are the most productive.
Though we’ll see how both these contracts end up working out.
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There’s a HUGE difference between the resources the Yankees have and the resources of any other team. The Yankees have more money, so they are more able to absorb a huge contract and still be able to put a competitive team together.
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Disney? They dont own the Angels.
Sold them to Moreno in 2003.
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by YankeesJets on Dec 30, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
That’s right. They do, however, have the same type radio and TV deals like the Yankees. They also draw 3 mil+ fans a season.
Romine!
Absolutely different worlds
According to Forbes the New York Yankees are worth 1.7 Billion while the Angels are worth 554 Million. The ability of the Yankees to take a Pujols sized financial hit and roll with it is significantly more than the Angels’ ability.
"Son, Nobody is half as good as Mickey Mantle"
Plus luxury tax is assessed based on a contract's AAV
Not the yearly amount. So the Yankees will be spending less at the end of A-Rod’s contract, but will be taxed like they are not. So for a team like the Yankees (or Red Sox, Phillies, Angels) who is around the luxury tax border, it is actually more beneficial to pay an equal yearly amount over a contract.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 30, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Backloading contracts is almost always a good idea because of inflation
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 30, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Due to inflation/ability to invest, structuring a contract like this saves them money.
Makes it better, not worse (at least on it’s own). If the team just holds onto the money it saves in previous years, then it’s the exact same. But this also gives the team freedom to invest that money in other ways.
I would imagine that the Angels could probably get Albert to take deferred payments later on in the contract
Im not an accountant, so Im not sure if that would help him in the tax department.
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Backloading a contract is essentially the player giving the team an interest free loan. They’re going to pay him $254MM anyway, but backloading gives them the money to sign C.J. Wilson and lets inflation chip into the amount that they owe Pujols. Yeah, it will suck when he’s 38 and making superstar money, but that was unavoidable in this deal.
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I still reserve the right to laugh at the Angels when they’re pulling a Yanks/A-Rod type thing and paying a player $30 mil at the end of his career.
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Actually I guess the Yanks aren't doing that... just the Angels
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The Yanks are “only” paying A-Rod about $20 mil per season near the end.
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
If he doesn’t fall apart before then, anyway.
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by Q-TDSK on Dec 30, 2011 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you thinking that Arod would refuse to be paid the remainder of his contract if his body is completely mangled?
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
This dude is where it's at.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no.
I’d call that “after the end.”
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by Q-TDSK on Dec 30, 2011 5:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for the clarification.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 30, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
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