New York Yankees News and Notes
by Frank Campagnola on Dec 29, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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PrintGood morning, Pinstripe Alley readers. Here's your morning news for Thursday, December 29th.
- Over at ESPN, former GM Jim Bowden listed his top 10 best contracts in baseball, and number one might surprise you. Though it is widely accepted that Evan Longoria signed the most team friendly deal in modern baseball history, Bowden gave the top spot to Robinson Cano despite that Cano averages more than $5MM more per season than Longoria.
- Also at ESPN, Wallace Matthews reports that the Yankees will likely not be aggressive in their pursuit of Yoenis Cespedes. The main reason is probably a combination of two things. First, he wouldn't have a position to play, and second, it will likely cost about $50MM over a minimum of four years.
- Over at River Ave. Blues, Mike Axisa has a recap of a recent Brian Cashman press conference. Among the highlights were discussions of Alex Rodriguez, Andruw Jones, and Hiroyuki Nakajima.
- Joe Pawlikowski of River Ave. Blues is wondering, just as I did last week, why the Yankees are ignoring one year stop gaps in the rotation such as Hiroki Kuroda and Roy Oswalt.
- Eric Schultz of The Yankee Analysts wonders if passing on Carlos Beltran, again, is a mistake. Would it have been terrible to move Nick Swisher and sign Beltran for two years in order to provide payroll flexibility for 2014? Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to extend Swisher for a year now.
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Edwin Jackson Bandwagon
I’d like to see the Yankees sign Edwin Jackson as a mid-rotation guy. Seems like he’d be a bargain at this point. I’d trade AJ in a “we’re eating 90% of his contract” type move to make a spot available
by Arkansas Yankee on Dec 29, 2011 7:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
now that he's basically the best pitcher on the market
he will be very costly and it might not be worth it
may be right
I’d do 3 yrs because of his age but I’d go light on the annual salary. Something in the neighborhood of $10M -$13M might get it done. If not, then he’s not really the bargain I thought he’d be
by Arkansas Yankee on Dec 29, 2011 9:13 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I love people who complain about AJ, but want to sign Jackson
There are both maddeningly inconsistent pitchers with tantalizing stuff.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Apples and oranges
Jackson is 6 years younger and has performed better than Burnett past 2 seasons. AJ has proven he doesn’t have the velocity anymore or the baseball IQ you would want in a mid-rotation starter. So would I trade 2 years of Burnett for 3 years of Jackson? Hell yeah; and I’d eat some of Burnett’s contract to do it
by Arkansas Yankee on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Explain to me how Edwin Jackson is anything like Burnett.
Look at the last three years and you will see that there is no comparison AT ALL. Quit making shit up.
Of course not
AJ’s older. I haven’t checked and I’m not going to because I don’t care, so don’t call me out, but is there a comparison between Jackson’s previous three years and AJ’s 3 years before he joined the Yankees?
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He threw that no hitter with a lot of walks and pitches that one time.
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Okay
Jackson just completed his age 27 season. So, through age 27:
Burnett: 7.7 K/9, 1.86 K/BB, 0.8 HR/9, 107 ERA+
Jackson: 6.7 K/9, 1.82 K/BB, 1.0 HR/9, 97 ERA+
Burnett at the same age was better than Jackson.
Now, last four seasons, going back to Jackson’s first average season:
Burnett: 8.3 K/9, 2.16 K/BB, 1.1 HR/9, 96 ERA+
Jackson: 6.7 K/9, 2.08 K/BB, 1.0 HR/9, 106 ERA+
Jackson has a better ERA, but his peripherals are worse (save one extra HR per 90 IP by AJ). And this includes the best years of Jackson’s career as well as the last two terrible years from AJ.
Am I saying that Jackson would not be better than Burnett for the next 3-4 years? Absolutely not. He is 7 years younger, entering what should be his prime, while AJ is in his decline phase. However, Jackson has been basically a league average pitcher with much lower K-rates than AJ even though he is younger, and allowing a similar HR-rate while pitching in much friendlier environments. All I am saying is that as far as next year is concerned, Jackson would have just as many questions as AJ in NY, even with all the issues AJ has right now.
If we sign Jackson for $10-12 million per year (probably low), trade AJ and eat 70% of his contract ($11.55 per year), we are basically paying $22-24 million for Jackson to replace AJ – that, to me, is a stupid investment.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
What does what they did in 2008 have anything to do with who they are today?
Burnett was still awesome and Jackson was still terrible. Hell, even what they did in 2009 might be irrelevant. But in the last three years Jackson has thrown 623 innings, and an ERA/FIP/xFIP of 3.96/.3.90/3.93. He has been remarkably consistent.
by Briceratops on Dec 30, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
AJ's ERA/FIP/xFIP line over last three years
4.79/4.63/4.19
Again, not as good as Jackson – which I readily admitted. However, the difference is not large enough to justify spending $22-24 million per year to replace AJ with Jackson over the next two years.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 30, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
IMO Burnett is already a sunk cost
The Yankees can’t operate under the notion that whoever they sign has to provide as much value as their contract and AJ’s. If they can only trade a fraction of AJ’s salary or even if they are stuck with him; the money he is owed shouldn’t dictate whether or not they pursue another pitcher unless they are operating under a strict budget. And I’m sorry for my original outburst. I thought you were one of the “Jackson is a headcase like AJ” people and didn’t realize that you actually has a cogent argument.
No problem on the outburst - the internets can do that to a person :)
Yes AJ is a sunk cost. I just don’t see the difference in performance between he and Jackson being worth the additional salary – which would come with a 40% luxury tax hit – plus having to pay another team $10+ million to take AJ. AJ will not be worth his salary, but he will be a lot closer to it than Edwin will be to the combine cost of trading up to him from AJ.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 30, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
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I would have signed Beltran to a short term contract with incentives based on performance, and traded Swisher in less than a heartbeat.I would sign either one of the remaining free agent starting pitchers as a back up if Hughes,Burnett,and Garcia aren’t able to pitch effectively.I think Cash’s is not able to pull the trigger due to mgt. $$$$ restraint’s.The future is an aging Jeter,A-Rod who are owed millions which should have been spent on younger talent whose best yrs are ahead of them not behind.Let’s remember Arod’s,Tex"s,and Swish’s performance during the playoffs,and throw in Sabbathia as well.That my friend’s is a multi million dollar FLOP !!!!.
that's why Cash is prospect crazy right now
Use young players (i.e. cheap) to offset the swollen, glutinous contracts of Jeter, ARod, and Tex.
by Arkansas Yankee on Dec 29, 2011 10:29 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Playoffs are not an indicator for a players overall talent
it never has been and it never will be. Beltran is exactly what we need to stay away from. Old and costly.
And remember Posada's playoff performance
We should bring him back!
The playoffs are a horrible indicator of how good a player is because it’s not a big enough sample size. Yes, A-Rod had a horrible postseason and Posada had a great one, but if you were to ask me who I’d rather have up with the bases loaded and the series on the line, the answer will be A-Rod every-single-time. And thats just because he’s a far better hitter.
Otherwise, I don’t know why some people want to trade Swisher so bad. He’s a bargain to have at 10 million, and because this is his last year he’s not going to get a ton back in a trade.
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it’s not just about postseason. it’s about how a player hits good pitching throughout the season. as we all know, that’s what you face in the postseason. it isn’t about ooo its the postseason he can’t hit, its about oo crap its a good pitcher….he doesn’t hit good pitchers and we just so happen to be facing all good pitchers for the entire month of october if we want to win this thing. to me, swisher piles on numbers on the bad pitching and in games that are out of hand. i don’t dislike the guy, i think he plays a very good RF and helps out throughout the season, but i dont see why everyone is so eager to keep a hitter who struggles against good pitching and we are a team that is striving to win a world series and will have to do so by htiting good pitching. lets get someone who hasn’t proven to us he cant. and dont say everyone struggles against good pitching, that may be true, but some people just flat out dont stand a chance-swisher.
Nick Swisher for his career:
vs. Felix Hernandez: 48 PA, .238/.333/.548 (.881 OPS)
vs. Jon Lester: 45 PA, .278/.386/.556 (.942 OPS)
vs. C.J. Wilson: 34 PA, .286/.412/.607 (1.019 OPS)
vs. Mark Buehrle: 33 PA, .400/.531/.440 (.971 OPS)
vs. David Price: 29 PA, .455/.586/.682 (1.268 OPS)
vs. CC Sabathia: 26 PA, .348/.423/.391 (.814 OPS)
vs. Roy Halladay: 21 PA, .300/.333/.650 (.983 OPS)
vs. Edwin Jackson: 21 PA, .333/.524/.800 (1.324 OPS)
vs. Matt Garza: 19 PA, .500/.632/1.214 (1.846 OPS)
vs. Zack Greinke: 18 PA, .438/.500/.813 (1.313 OPS)
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by Lord Duggan on Dec 29, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
first off, im sure there are plenty of pitchers who i could go find who he is dominated by(haren,weaver,verlander just to name a few)….second, i can’t speak for his previous 5-6 seasons but from what i saw last year, if he was up in a big spot…he got out. Maybe the most important stat in baseball(atleast to me) is runners in scoring position and 2 outs…he batted .118 in those situations. that has to be one of the worst in all of baseball i would think.
You said very clearly that he doesn’t hit good pitchers. That’s not correct, as evidenced above. You can probably find a few that he doesn’t hit well, but that’s not at all what you said.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
why because he picked certain pitchers who he has hit decent against at certain points in his career. i wasnt watching the A’s 5 years ago so i couldn’t tell you but im sure i could gather a similar list of guys who he has been dominated by…not to mention hes proven it in EVERY SINGLE POSTSEASON. 124 at bats is a pretty large sample size…hes hitting .169, i think it’s pretty obvious
Then go look up the numbers and prove the point you are trying to make instead of saying you’re sure such a thing exists. Otherwise, that’s a pretty long list of really good pitchers he has hit against in his career and doesn’t support your narrative at all.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
im at work i cant look up splits of how hes done against individual pitchers and honestly i wouldnt know where to find them…but in the past year or 2(not 7 years ago) id be curious to see how he does against weaver, haren, verlander, sherzer, beckett, bucholz, shields, liriano, cliff lee, hamels, santana, fister, ervin santana, romero. gio, brett anderson, dice k, porcello, floyd, bedard…or guys like that…its not like he named every good pitcher in baseball. not to mentioned felix was on there, he hit .238 against him thats not some ringing endorsement. bottomline is i predicted a few years ago this guy wont hit in the postseason…and the last 3 seasons hes hit under .200…thats not easy to do
Try baseball reference
It has pretty much everything you are looking for.
Secondly, use capitalization. I don’t want to sound like a grammar nerd but it makes it easier to follow.
And no, he didn’t name every good pitcher, but he named enough to prove that Swisher isn’t neutralized by every good pitcher in the league. He hits better against some and worse against others, but it’s not like he gets all his numbers off bad pitching and hits under .200 against good ones. Thats just not true.
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“The past year or 2” of facing a pitcher two, MAYBE three times in a season is not nearly enough ABs to meaningfully say anything about what anyone can or cannot do. Duggan’s list of 10 top tier pitchers over Swisher’s career is much more meaningful than a handful of at bats in a season.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
After all this support of Swisher, you guys really trust him up in a big spot??? I don’t understand how you can feel that way.
Because real life /=/ what you’re saying.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
After this postseason, if he bats .150 in 25 at bats, will you still feel the same way? I’m just curious how many more at bats it’ll take before you guys will think he isn’t a good postseason player.
I’m not overly concerned with what he does in the postseason. I’d love it if everyone hit .600/.800/1.300 in the playoffs, but it’s not happening. Swisher is a good player and important to this team. Needlessly nitpicking over everything he does because of his ZOMGBATTINGAVERAGE in the playoffs is lame.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not as much as I’d want A-Rod or Cano up in a big spot, but it’s not like Swish is a complete scrub. He’s a good hitter. Thousands of regular season ABs have proved that. Less than 150 postseason ABs don’t disprove that.
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He’s a career .250 hitter. Lets not act like his 1,000’s of regular season at bats have really showed us how great of a hitter he is. He takes pitches and get on base(2 things that are very important and are why he is a solid player) but i wouldnt expect any clutch hitting from the guy come postseason play. it’s also pretty obvious that for whatever reason he isnt working postseason pitchers as well as he does in the regular season. we’ll see if that continues….i bet it does.
Batting average is not the only stat in existence
It’s important, but there are other stats that he does very well in that are other important. He has a great OBP because of his walks, and he has power which adds to his slugging percentage. Just because he doesn’t hit .300 doesn’t mean he’s not a good hitter.
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also important*
not other. Use the triple slash line. AVG/OBP/SLG.
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Oh great points man….. OBP. No sh*t he has that, if he didn’t he’d be a legitimately bad player. And didn’t i just mention OBP in my previous post?
Yes, and then you said that you wouldn’t expect clutch hitting in postseason play because of a low batting average. This doesn’t make sense.
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124 at-bats is not a large sample size
You know who sucked in the playoffs from 2005-2009? Robinson Cano. There obviously was no hope for him after those dreadful years was there?
Strikeouts: still not the end of the world, no matter how many times it’s repeated here.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Season totals: 13.5 BB%, 21.2 K%, 0.82 GB/FB, 19.2 LD%
Playoff totals: 14.3 BB%, 24.5 K%, 0.83 GB/FB, 15.1 LD%
Season totals: .287 BABIP, 14.9 HR/FB
Playoff totals: .202 BABIP, 10.0 HR/FB
Nothing to see here.
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Completely unrelated, but I don’t like to miss chances to point out True Yankee Teflon:
Jorge Posada regular season: .273/.374/.474, 122 wRC+
Jorge Posada playoffs: 492 PA, .248/.358/.387, 95 wRC+
Endless grumbling about a few bad series from Swisher and A-Rod and yet a career’s worth of being below league average in the playoffs from Posada is a perfectly kept secret.
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You know who else strikes out a lot?
Alex Rodriguez (an All Time Great). Do you know who strikes out more? Curtis Granderson (2011 Yankee MVP).
Strikeouts are outs. No better or worse than groundouts or flyouts or lineouts or baserunning stupidity or any other way to get out in a baseball game.
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…no, they really aren’t.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
hes still a good player because he was insanely productive…but to say striking out that much doesnt impact the type of player he is is ridiculous. we have too many low average guys on this team for having one of the best offenses in baseball. id love to see more contact, higher average guys on this team.
Striking out has nothing to do with his batting average
If you take every out of his and replace them with either a ground out, flyout or lineout, the average is still exactly the same. The OBP is still exactly the same. The productivity is still exactly the same.
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If only we could replace those strikeouts with sac fly’s or productive ground outs, yes strikeouts are the exact same as outs? Have you ever played baseball ebfore?
Yes, I have
Competitively. And I said if you take every strikeout and replace them with other kinds of outs, the production is still exactly the same. I wasn’t taking sac flys into account. I’m just pointing out that the strikeouts are not nearly as big a deal as you think it is. The man was the most productive player on the team this year, and he also was among the team leaders in strikeouts.
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He was THE team leader in strikeouts and broke a record for them as a Yankee. Why does anyone care THAT MUCH? He was the MVP of the team. Crying about strikeouts after that season is just unimaginable levels of ridiculous.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying you can’t be productive and still strike out alot, but it takes away from your reliability. if he popped out to right field for all of those k’s i would consider him a much more reliable batter in a big spot. if only we got one of those pop flies or productive outs that advanced a runner in the postseason. thats the difference between us advancing and being booted out of the playoff. that goes for our whole lineup. not nearly enough productive outs.
SIGH. If he is insanely productive, as you said, who on Earth cares what his batting average is and why? That’s completely asinine.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
There is a much stronger correlation between SLG/OBP and scoring runs than batting average and scoring runs.
Not really, the correlations are pretty close
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by Frank Campagnola on Dec 29, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
There’s correlations with batting average to runs scored, OBP to runs scored, and slugging to runs scored.
Batting average has the lowest correlation to runs scored, but the correlations aren’t too far apart. It has a very good correlation to scoring runs, it’s just that the others are better.
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by Frank Campagnola on Dec 29, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the link
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2596
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by Frank Campagnola on Dec 29, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
They should definitely start grounding into double plays instead. Like True Yankees would.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Not if you’re going to ground into a double play, which happens with lots of ground outs. I’d much, much rather they strike out. Thank you.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody goes shopping for strikeouts or any kind of outs. I’m pretty sure every single hitter tries their best to get on base in every one of their ABs. Thats the point of baseball.
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I think it’s amusing that Tex seemingly gets a pass. Wanna see someone who looked completely overmatched on strikeouts? Look at that dude. Fastball or death.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Not everyone gives him a pass (BRICE)
And it seemed like toward the end of this year even with fastballs he couldn’t do anything but pop up to the third baseman. It was either connect on a fastball and drive it 430 feet occasionally, or nothing. Especially from the left side.
He’s a better hitter than that, so hopefully he’s reworking whatever mechanical flaws he may have this winter and gets back to 2009 form.
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Better hope so, or it’s going to be a pretty miserable next few years.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Strikeouts with guys on > groundouts with guys on.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Or ground into triple plays like Russell Martin!!!
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I dont remember if it was 2010 or the first part of 2011 where I actively hoped Jeter struck out if anyone was on base, because if he put it in play, you knew it was going to 2nd or short for a double play. Like clockwork.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Jeter didn't hit into that many DPs this year
It was probably 2010- I do remember a period where he seemingly couldn’t go a game without hitting into some kind of DPs. I can’t remember when though.
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jorge posada is the one guy that i want to K anytime there is a guy on first and less than 2 outs. everyone else, please try to get on base
…pretty sure that’s what they try do every time. It doesn’t work out sometimes. Who knew.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
In 2011 Nick Swisher had a 133 wRC+ with men on base and a 125 wRC+ with RISP.
For his career he has a 123 wRC+ with men on base and a 107 wRC+ with RISP.
There absolutely are pitchers who he does poorly against. So, like every other player, he hits some pitchers well and some pitchers poorly, but by no stretch of the imagination is “he doesn’t hit good pitchers” true. As for RISP:
Career:
Bases Empty: .250/.343/.461 (.804 OPS)
Men On: .258/.381/.473 (.853 OPS)
RISP: .235/.376/.423 (.799 OPS)
2011
Bases Empty: .267/.358/.422 (.780 OPS)
Men On: .252/.392/.483 (.875 OPS)
RISP: .246/.411/.435 (.845 OPS)
The .118 that you reference is over 89 PA in which he was walked twenty times, making his line .118/.326/.250 (.576 OPS).
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Beltran blows.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 29, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
blow?
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I think passing on Beltran was great
Swisher’s a huge bargain at his current price and he’s important to this team. If anything, I’d sign Jorge Soler out of Cuba and then resign Swisher for a 3-4 year deal. Get the most out of Swisher and during that time, develop Soler, Mason Williams, Slade Heathcott and other outfield prospects they have and hopefully one of them can replace Swish when that contract is up.
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I'm beginning to think they might try to resign Swisher
because they have no one to replace him. He would bring great value while they wait for Williams/Heathcott to develop.
I just realized that with a 4 year contract, Swish would be leaving at the same time Tex will be leaving and thats something to look forward to.
The best comparable is probably the contract Michael Cuddyer just got
Which I think was 3 years, $31.5 mil. That’s probably what Swisher’s looking at as a free agent next year, unless he has a great year or a terrible year. I’d probably wait and see with him rather than give him an extension. Right field would have been a nice spot to fill with someone from the system except we don’t have any outfielders who will be ready for 2013. Keeping Swisher is a better option than overpaying someone like Andre Ethier.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be doing backflips if they could get Swish back at 3 years for 31 million
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lets wait before we extend swisher for 3 seasons. that’d be a mistake at this point in time. there’s no reason to rush it. let’s see how he does this season/postseason. he’s not going anywhere if we want him.
How do you know that to be true? He’s a steal at the price, lots of teams could use someone like that. We should have extended him while we were the only ones negotiating to keep the price down. We have no one in the system to take his place anytime soon, so unless you want to trade the whole farm for someone or something, Swisher is the best bet right now, whether you like him or not.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 29, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Know what to be true? That I don’t think we should give this guy 3 years right now? Because that’s my opinion. I don’t think he will get more then 3/35 after this season. Could I be wrong? Sure. But if it costs us a couple extra million to wait a year to see how he does this season, I’m all for that.
Is swisher really THAT much cheaper than Beltran? 10.25 mill option this season for Swisher. Beltran offered to sign with the Yankees for 2 years at 13 mill a year. And if we are talking about extending Swisher, as mentioned, than I don’t see where this is some bargain compared to Beltran. If you think Swisher is better than alright but I would’ve had no problem with Beltran because I think they will be pretty equal during the regular season. I’m not going to say Beltran is a stud in the postseason, but to me, we’ve found out that Swisher isn’t. He just doesn’t hit good pitching. It’s not just a postseason thing. Beltran, to me, hasn’t proven that he can’t hit good pitching and that’s why I would’ve prefered Beltran. We know one guy can’t, lets give another one a shot. When we are bounced from the playoffs again like we were this year, don’t say “how could we have guessed our hitters would do nothing in the playoffs?”
I think Swisher provides more value
Beltran probably is a better player if healthy right now. But Swish is younger, he’s far more durable and he probably has more left in him than Beltran does.
Swisher gets on base more than anyone on the team, he’s a switch hitter with power, he’s really improved on his defense, and he’s wonderful in the clubhouse. If they can extend him at the same salary he’s at now, thats a huge steal.
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I understand your points. I just feel the difference in price isn’t going to be big enough for us not to wait until the offseason. Swish isn’t a good enough player to make me think we shouldn’t see how he does this season. If it costs us a couple extra mill per season to keep him then OK, but I definitely dont want to extend him for 3 seasons then see him struggle. I think Cuddyers contract is a great example of what he’ll get next offseason.
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