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Does The New York Yankees Answer To Their Rotation "Problem" Lie Within?

As the off-season continues to develop, many Yankees fans seem to be frustrated at the lack of action between the Yankees and top free agent starting pitchers.

There is the Yahoo report that Hiroki Kuroda is nearing a deal with a mystery team, as well as the report that the Yankees are not interested in Roy Oswalt-even if it's a one year deal.

While until the two sign you cannot count the Yankees out, the reports seem to indicate that the Yankees either have a move up their sleeves, or are willing to go into the 2012 season with their current rotation.

Is that such a bad thing?

The Yankees already will be giving spots in the rotation to CC Sabathia, Ivan Nova, (unless he has the worst Spring Training ever) A.J. Burnett, (unless the Yankees somehow trade him) and in all likelihood Freddy Garcia. (sigh)

That leaves Phil Hughes for the fifth spot, unless one of David Phelps, Adam Warren, Hector Noesi, or some mystery candidates/minor league signings can steal Hughes' spot away.

As jetanumba2 wrote, both David Phelps and Adam Warren seem like solid candidates for spots in the 2012 rotation. The transition from AAA to the MLB should be a challenging one, but between the two of them, one should be able to make the leap.

Meanwhile, Hector Noesi looks like a candidate to be the Ivan Nova of 2012. Brian Cashman mentioned the possibility in an interview recently, and scouts have raved about Noesi this off-season. Noesi's fastball is even reportedly being clocked in at 93-95 consistently, and even at 96-97 once in a while.

Cashman said this off-season that Hector Noesi will not be in the bullpen this season, so it's MLB rotation or AAA rotation for the righty.

Follow me after the jump for what this all means.

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While so many are stuck on the fact that the Yankees could not make any moves this off-season, it remains a strong possibility. (Of course this does not include the minor utility signings, etc)

The Yankees may upgrade their staff without making a single signing if Noesi and Nova can consistently improve, Hughes can give the Yankees some hope in him once again, and/or one or two of David Phelps and Adam Warren can make the leap to the MLB.

I still believe the Yankees will sign one of Hiroki Kuroda/Roy Oswalt to a one year deal, however, but if they do not there is no reason to panic.

*Side note, is anyone a fan of the Freddy Garcia re-signing? I was, and still am to a lesser degree surprised/slightly angered at the signing, and more angered that the Yankees guaranteed Garcia a spot in the rotation.*

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I like good young pitchers, and giving young pitchers an actual chance, as with Nova last season.

I would be thrilled if Noesi was shown the same patience that Nova received. Nova had many haters until he got over his initial problems with getting through the batting order a third time. He gradually lengthened out to the point where he routinely got into the 7th, or even 8th. It took several starts in 2010, and half of 2011.

I’m not concerned about Hughes, since he has shown he can be a top flight set up man, throwing an inning of 95 mph heaters and sliders. I’m also not concerned about Garcia’s ‘guaranteed’ spot in the rotation. If he’s terrible in Tampa, they will either DFA him or put him on a very short leash in April.

Bringing up youngsters and living with their early inconsistencies is what other teams have learned to do. The Yankees can do this also, the way they are learning to live with AJ Burnett.

by designatedquitter on Dec 22, 2011 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Noesi in 2011 posted a decent line in 50+ innings of work

But how it translates to being a starter is still up in the air.

by lololol on Dec 22, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

I don't care about Garcia

I think people put too much stock in his “guaranteed” spot in the rotation. If he is one of the top 5 coming out of spring training, he’ll be there, sure. But if he’s not, or if he falters, I think the Yankees go back on that promise very quickly. he is cheap insurance, in case Hughes or Nova has a setback early on, or someone else gets injured. If Warren/Phelps is dealing in ST, or Noesi is showing what he’s capable of, Garcia can easily find himself the odd man out, or at the very least, on a short leash (as DQ said above).

by waw on Dec 22, 2011 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

Sure, if he's terrible....

…but what if he’s just below average? How long do they wait to pull the plug then? How long do they let him block someone that’s potentially better if they can say things like “he keeps us in the game”?

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 22, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s my main concern.

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by Brandon C. on Dec 22, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Innings eaters forever.

by bango31 on Dec 23, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

i don’t care that we picked up garcia because if he’s bad we will get rid of him. i just don’t like it IF we picked him up thinking that we now don’t have to add anyone else. because if he does struggle and as you say, we will take him out, we might not have anyone that’s MLB ready to replace him and therefore makes me wonder if getting Garcia made them complacent the rest of the offseason.

by cermolaNY2 on Dec 22, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Big trouble ahead

Yes i agree we won the league with 97 wins, But it was not our starting pitchers that one all of them. Really do Yankee management or fans think this pitching staff will last again this year, Joe made so many trips to the mound he worn a path out there, and what if CC goes down with a injury and nova does not live up to last year whats left is not much. I thinkthe yankees should have thought about this a few years back and had much better choices than they have now.Oh well Big trouble ahead, Now A jones is looking elsewhere but then again as i have said before MAYBE A BIG TRADE IS UP THERE ALLEY. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL.

by Terry P on Dec 22, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

WE'RE DOOMED

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 22, 2011 2:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Like Gotham City was doomed when they found out Harvey Dent was Batman in Dark Knight! Holy surprise twist, batman!

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by Brandon C. on Dec 22, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Rich Harden

I get that this isn’t your 15+ wins & -10 losses w/ a sub 3 ERA guy, but why isn’t his name being talked about? They asked about him during the deadline, and he could fit in as a 4-5 guy. He also doesn’t cost a lot of money

by yankeesfan1325* on Dec 22, 2011 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Nats just got Gio

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 22, 2011 4:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The Nats gave up way too much
Gio to Nats for Cole, Norris, Peacock, and Milone.

The A’s are now stacked though

by jetanumba2 on Dec 22, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

#3(Peacock), #4(Cole), #9(Norris) in their organization.

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 22, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Gio Gonzalez

I just got back yesterday from my free vaction in the “land of sand” courtesy of the us mil. Catching up on the Yankees,I for one am glad to see that “Gio” is finally off the market, One thing the Yankees didn’t need is an over-hyped, over rated “walk em all” younger but just as unreliable AJ clone. Cashman refused to make a deal last year because he wanted to keep ’prospects" and he has failed to make a deal this year because he wants to hold onto prospects. Well its time to let 1 or 2 of our prospects show what they can do. Phelps is ready, Noesi is ready, Warren is ready.

by outrigger on Dec 22, 2011 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

Speaking of Prospects!!!

I know there has been a lot of HYPE about Baby Jesus, and maybe its me, but does anyone else watch Montero and ask themselves “why are we holding on to this guy ?” His value in a trade is as high now as its ever going to be, and I for one believe he’s way over rated. Yes he had a nice debut, but so did Phil Hughes.

by outrigger on Dec 22, 2011 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

Yep, it’s just you.

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 22, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is he overrated?

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Dec 22, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

its you

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 22, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He had a nice debut

for a month. He hit the shit out of the ball after never playing a single major-league game. You aren’t overrated if you actually live up to the hype. So far, he has.

by bango31 on Dec 23, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

don’t forget about colon

remember we easily won the division with what we have now if we had hit we would have
won it all
our pitching is better than most teams

by 7tony2 on Dec 22, 2011 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

I never forget my colon

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 22, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Colon

And Colon is fun to watch. I think if he stays healthy Bartolo can win 15 easy. I would rather pitch him that Hughes.

by outrigger on Dec 22, 2011 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously..

I liked what Colon did the 1st half last year, but he wore out at the end. Why can’t Hughes win 15?

by Kansas Yankee on Dec 22, 2011 10:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

As far as Colon "wearing out"

we need to take into consideration that he also pitched in the Mexican League last year, so he threw a lot of innings prior to the MLB season. He should be better rested this season if anyone picks him up.

Romine!

by david d on Dec 23, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Hughes and Montero

Lets see what Montero does with a full season in the bigs. I would love to see him hit 300 and launch 25-30 HR and then I can say Im wrong.
As far as Hughes winning 15. I dont think Hughes believes in himself. I see a lot of AJ in Phil Hughes.

by outrigger on Dec 23, 2011 12:36 AM EST reply actions  

dug up an old blog

ATTENTION YANKEE FANS: DON’T PANIC
ATTENTION YANKEE HATERS: BE AFRAID

First: signing Cliff Lee was not actually important if you break it down. If you gauge what Andy Petite would have done with a full season last year Andy wins 17-20 games. Lee in NY is probably a 20-23 game winner. So Lee only brings 3 extra wins to the rotation from last year seriously is that worth 160mil??? No it ain’t. Lee’s Phillies did not win with the best rotation

Two: with CC, Philthy and Burn Unit the Yankees still have a rotation that can and will compete. You gotta remember NY only had 3 pitchers in 2009. Now if Petite does not come back and at this point let’s go on the
fact he won’t. Yankee brass is very confident that over a full-season Ivan “Super” Nova will take up the slack of Javier Vazquez with about 20 quality starts out of around 27 starts. A trade for a quality starter that can eat innings. Or letting one of the young guns come up for brief stints such as giving the Killer B’s about 5 consecutive starts just for the experience would give NY a fifth starter by committee. Plus give them a chance to compete for the eventual number 3 when Burn Unit’s contract expires. Nova did as predicted CC and AJ remained about the same and solid contributions from Garcia and Colon also not Noesi begins his emergence.

Two B: The bullpen which is a bigger question mark than the starting rotation is being address. Fixing the bullpen will add 10-15 wins per year much more cheaper as oppose to adding a Lee type pitcher for either an extravagant amount of money or emptying the farm system again. And now that Joba knows his role he won’t have to hold back and just bring the heat to bridge to Mo and eventually in two years become the closer.The bullpen got stronger and Joba while he was around pitched stellar-stop hating Joba

Three: The starting line-up is built like if not better than the same team that won 4 out of 5 World Series between 1996-2000. The current line-up of starters can play offensively and defensively with any team in baseball. There is still a solid threat from A-rod, Cano, Tex, Posada, Swisher, Granderson to go deep and drive in a ton of runs. With the rest Gardner, Martin, Jeter and the bench to make solid contributions. This a line-up that will compete year in and year out until the expiration of Jeter’s contract. a down year for A-Rod, Tex and Posada only showed for 3 games but still a potent offense that with the addition of Monetero just got stronger,

Four: The Yankees are loading the farm system with a considerable amount of top talent that very shortly should be in position to make serious contributions to the major league squad. Meaning do not expect the Yankees to depend upon the free agency and or trades that have not always proven to work favorably for NY. I told you so.the long term plan is to get younger and cheaper.

Five: What the Yankees need most is 1) Better game management by Giradi for starters he’s a capable manager I just think at times he has a tendency to either under or over manage a game. if Giradi starts managing the game better NYY can add another 5-7 wins per year. 2) Better conditioning of the players as this has been a mild annoyance over the past few seasons. 3) And lastly but more importantly PATIENCE by the FRONT OFFICE and by THE FANS especially with new acquisitions and young talent. Everybody has bad days even the veterans. Joe is still costing us about 8 wins a year.

So actually heading into 2011 by not signing another unnecessary marquee talent the Yankees are and have positioned themselves towards the building of a dynasty that will compete for multiple titles over the long haul and not just “a title now” approach. I’m not predicting 28 in 2011 but NYY will at the end of the year be one of the 8 teams involved and judging by the last two WS having Lee doesn’t guarantee a title. So with no guarantees in either the free agency, trades or the farm the smart money is still to develop talent from within the system to get you where you need to be by developing homegrown talent.I told you we’d be there. And Lee didn’t make it either.

In short the Yankees are finally doing what they are suppose to be doing and that’s building from within. They have the nucleus now as I said 3 years ago to begin rebuilding by adding a piece here and there from the farm or a good trade (Granderson) that makes long term sense. And if you’re a Yankees fan that’s what you should want. The more the Yankees can get out of their farm system the more dominating they will be and have the fiscal capabilities to re-sign their star farm players which give them the edge over teams that cannot afford to re-sign

by bleedsyankeeblue on Dec 25, 2011 5:12 AM EST reply actions  

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