Randy Levine-The Enemy From Within
Yesterday it was reported that the Yankees bid for Yu Darvish was under $20 Million. While we don't know for sure if that's true, this has one man's fingerprints all over it. Randy Levine.
Many reporters mentioned that the Yankees were scared off by the Kei Igawa fiasco when considering posting a large bid for Darvish. While I would not have wanted the Yankees to bid $51.7 Million, bidding >$20 million is surprising and disappointing.
Randy Levine was also the leading man in the pursuit of Kei Igawa. Levine wanted a Japanese pitcher to match the Red Sox signing of Daisuke Matusuzaka. Not the best starting pitcher available, but the best Japanese starting pitcher available. That makes little to no baseball sense.
Levine is the symbol of the Yankees front office bozos. Levine made the mistake of signing Igawa, after making the mistake of bidding a large amount for Igawa, and instead of admitting his mistake it appears he considers it a sign that Japanese pitchers cannot make the transfer into the MLB.
Levine joined the team in 2000 as team President, and seemingly right after his joining the Yankees went on their World Series drought until 2009.
While I was never a huge Joe Torre fan, I respected the man's place in Yankees history. Randy Levine did not, as he tried many times to push Torre out the door.
In Brian Cashman it seems we have the anti-Levine. A smart mind who thinks with his mind, not his wallet, and knows the game. While Cashman has made some mistakes in the past, he learns from his mistakes and knows when he is repeating the mistakes, and when he is in a scenario where it won't be a mistake even though the situation is similar.
Let's hope Brian Cashman was the one that decided on the low bid for Darvish, not Randy Levine. Let's hope Cashman is making the decisions this season, not Levine. For the sake of the Yankees future and present!
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No basis for calling Levine an enemy or "bozo"
Without Randy Levine, the Yankees might not have a financial empire has successful as what they have now. One reason they can afford $200 million payrolls is because of things like YES, the new stadium, lucrative marketing deals and brand building, all of which have Levine’s fingerprints.
I also think you are exaggerating Levine’s role in the Igawa signing, and incorrectly extending it to what the Yankees bid for Darvish.
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by William Juliano on Dec 21, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions
Levine is a symbol of the front office guys that meddle with Cashman. Joe Torre mentioned a few times including once on Yankees Baseball Daily that Cashman wanted nothing to do with Igawa, Soriano, etc, but the front office pushed him in the wrong direction to the point that they had to make the moves.
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well Torre said Igawa, etc, and we already know about Soriano
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How does that make him an "enemy"?
Did Levine play a role in the Igawa/Soriano signing? Perhaps (although that’s just a guess). But, how does that make him an enemy? Without Levine’s efforts, the Yankees probably wouldn’t have as money to spend. I have no idea why he has become a scapegoat; my guess is that’s partly political.
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by William Juliano on Dec 21, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Levine is the easiest target, as he’s the name we all know.
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Easy = Lazy in this case
Just because we know Levine’s name doesn’t mean we should malign him for a general perception. If you add up the ledger, Levine’s positives to the organization more than outweigh the handful of moves he may have influenced.
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by William Juliano on Dec 21, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
List 'em
And I find it funny that you are trying to possibly detach him from the bad moves but seem to think he has been solely responsible for some positives..
Romine!
Levine was instrumental in the financing, logistics, and political maneuvering that led to the YES Network, the New Yankee Stadium, and just about every major marketing deal and business venture, such as Legends Hospitality, since he became a part of the organization.
Compare that to his having a hand in Igawa and Soriano, and I think the benefits clearly outweigh the negatives (although, I don’t see how Igawa hindered the Yankees in any way).
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by William Juliano on Dec 21, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, okay
Those are the things in which he should be involved. He shouldn’t have his hand in any personnel decisions, that’s Brian Cashman’s responsibility, and should be solely his.
Romine!
As william said, it seems we are blaming Levine for all things "front office"
Without being there, we don’t really know how much blame should be his for this. Versus, say, Hank/Hal.
Agree
And because of this fact, it’s also silly to assign the above mentioned “successes” to Levine.
Romine!
On the contrary. We DO know how instrumental Levine has been. It’s a matter of public record.
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by William Juliano on Dec 21, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
So...
If it is a success, it’s all Levine’s. But if it’s folly, Hank/Hal may have their hands in it. Okay, got it.
Romine!
I think what I’ve written above is clear, so I am not sure what else to say.
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by William Juliano on Dec 21, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
This could be a simple case of Hal convening his brain trust, asking for advice and weighing the options. If Cash says we don’t this guy, but Levine says it might help the business end, Hal’s job is to break the tie. It doesn’t have to be a case of Levine usurping Cash’s authority, but simply presenting a different perspective.
It should also be noted that Igawa and Soriano were mostly money moves. If Levine heavily influences a trade of Banuelos for Adam Dunn, then you might have a point.
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by William Juliano on Dec 21, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Levine
=Helped our business and stadium
=Should never ever make a baseball decision, and yet he seemingly does have that power.
He needs to go.
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I don’t see how the first two automatically lead to #3. I am no Levine apologist, but it does seem like we are ready to light the torches and sharpen the pitchforks whenever we perceive anything less than optimal in our beloved Yankees organization. Perhaps there are changes that can be made that do not resemble “celebrity apprentice” style terminations?
As a business guy? Yes, he’s the dirty, slimy politician they needed to harass the City for tax dollars to help finance the Stadium. And he helped with YES Network.
My problem is with him butting into baseball-related decisions. You argue the following:
If Cash says we don’t this guy, but Levine says it might help the business end, Hal’s job is to break the tie. It doesn’t have to be a case of Levine usurping Cash’s authority, but simply presenting a different perspective.
Tell me how in the hell getting Rafael Soriano & Kei Igawa impacts the business end in any friggin’ way shape or form? They gonna build a marketing campaign around Soriano? Confident enough in Igawa’s abilities to get Japan’s markets that they had already with Hideki Matsui? This argument makes no sense.
My problem is when Randy Levine sticks his slimy face into baseball related matters. Stick to what you know, you scumbag.
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What does it matter the exact bid they made?
They weren’t willing to bid the amount it would take to win. They put down the money they wanted to put down and if they win, awesome, if not, oh well. Hearing that they actually bid $45M doesn’t make them any more or less winners or losers. It doesn’t matter because it wasn’t enough and I would have been surprised if $45M was enough. Just like they threw in a $2M bid and surprisingly, they threw in what they were willing to pay for Darvish. Clearly they question the value of a Japanese pitcher making the transition and would rather go after a decent utility player at a much lower price because its much less of a risk. Will Darvish be awesome this year? Probably and maybe even the next year but by the end of the contract the Texas Rangers will be regretting this signing unless they handle Darvish with kids gloves and the Yankees weren’t willing to pay that much money and treat him like a prospect.
It’s the idea that the Yankees have an obvious need, and there’s an obvious choice to fill that need. I wouldn’t have bid over maybe 35, but bidding under 20 is bidding for the sake of bidding.
Showed signs of letting the Igawa fiasco impact their decision.
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree. I’m ok with the Yankees bidding what they are comfortable bidding. You wouldn’t say to sign CJ Wilson to a ridiculous contract just because we have the need.
I would not, but I truly do believe they were scared off by Igawa. Other than anonymous reports sadly there is no way I can prove that , but of that’s the case it’s just dumb to me.
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think they just approached him like they approach any other free agent
they wanted to pay what they thought he was worth, just because he’s from Japan doesn’t mean he needs to be ridiculously overpaid. I think he made the smart choice
I think they had a price tag for him, but the price tag was based off iffy reasoning.
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 11:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Again there’s no way go sure, but from what I’ve read/heard scouts only have great things to say about him. Teams mainly didn’t bid because of monetary reasons.
Course there’s the strong possibility the Yankees have their smart reasons
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe the Yanks bid What they thought he was worth?
I don’t agree that Darvish is an obvious choice to fill a hole. Paying best-pitcher-in-baseball type money to an unproven player is a huge risk to put it mildly. If the move doesn’t workout, it not only would hamper this season, but the next five. I’d much rather have the Yankees marshal their resources and go after more proven commodities. Simply overpaying for Darvish just because he is the best option available now is a recipe for regret.
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by William Juliano on Dec 21, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
So you don’t think he was worth a 30-35 bid? If they got him (obviously they wouldn’t) they can negotiate a deal to their liking. If he doesn’t accept it, get the money back no harm done.
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Winning the Post doesn't mean you can low ball
Just because a team has exclusive negotiating rights doesn’t mean they can low ball the offer, assuming they want to follow best business practices. Even if Darvish takes a Dice-K AAV a $30mn bid brings the cost to $80mn, which is still a lot for a pitcher who has never thrown a pitch in the U.S. professional baseball.
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by William Juliano on Dec 21, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t the bid not count towards lux tax? I understand the risks on Darvish, but I can’t help but worry that future pitchers won’t be pursued because of past mistakes .
What ate your thoughts on Cespedes?
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It doesn’t count toward the TAX, but the lump sum payment has a much greater present value than if extended over the length of the deal. I’d have to do the math, but it’s possible things could cancel out, but at least the advantage would be mitigated.
I think the Yankees will be big for Cespedes, and they should be, assuming the scouts agree. If he is anything close to what’s reported, he would be a young, lower-cost replacement for Swisher in 2013, while giving the team a good swing guy this year. It might also alleviate the need for Andruw Jones.
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by William Juliano on Dec 21, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t think he will get a big deal? Marlins could give him a huge one.
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So Levine would be a bozo for bidding low on Darvish, but
if it was Cashman it would be a example of him using his smart mind? Mmm-kay.
My recollection is that the "Tampa Mafia" was responsible for a lot of the Steinbrenner era idiocy.
I never knew the names of those involved, nor is there a secret initiation ceremony recorded by the FBI, but I’m pretty sure that they were a bunch of baseball cro-magnons from the ‘50s and ’60s, and that Levine wasn’t one of them.
Not to say he is blameless in personnel decisions, but I think casting him as the Dark Side of the Force is a bit much. His helmet mask isn’t even black.
by designatedquitter on Dec 21, 2011 10:55 AM EST reply actions
Levine’s part of the new group of them I’d say.
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder what Randy got for the first day of Hanukkah
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Randy, shut the fuck up
This is Joe Torre’s finest quote, straight from the Yankee Years.
Agreed by the way. Levine is a dumbass and hopefully his days of doing anything other than helping Hank write checks are over.
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damn, looks like we're stuck with Gardner for another year
Cubs in agreement with free-agent OF Reed Johnson on one-year deal.
But at least we have….Romine!
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by Brandon C. on Dec 21, 2011 11:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
partly a joke
From what i’ve read Levine is a good business man. He should stay on the business end then (Yes,the stadium etc) and let the baseball men( Cash,Stick) stay on the baseball end.I wouldn’t have my secretary doing my taxes and i certainly wouldn’t have my accountant bent over doing my secretary’s job lol
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iF HE BECOMES ANOTHER SANDY KOUFAX—-CASHMAN AND LEVINE WILL LOOK LIKE DONKEYS
It honestly doesn't matter
If the Yankees really wanted Darvish, they would have and easily could have outbid both those teams. However, if they did everyone would be up in arms about “Oh how could they spend so much just to get one unproven player” or the classic “The Yankees are ruining baseball with their excessive spending” bullshit narrative, and unless the Yankees are truly run by idiots, these types of things do not factor into their baseball & business decisions.
And while Cashman may not have had his hand on Soriano or possibly Igawa, he was certainly willing to break the fucking money bin wide open for Cliff Lee for 7 years, or trade one of our best prospects for a 3 month rental of him.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 21, 2011 2:04 PM EST reply actions
And while Cashman may not have had his hand on Soriano or possibly Igawa, he was certainly willing to break the fucking money bin wide open for Cliff Lee for 7 years, or trade one of our best prospects for a 3 month rental of him.
Fair point.
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igawa
hvnt looked it up but it seems we wasted our money on him b4 sox did on dice
How many times
Do we have to go over this with people? No texting talk!!!
It really should be added to the community guidelines if it isn’t there already.
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I'm Barndon will get on that right away.
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by noonoo on Dec 21, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You’re not Barndon!
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I don’t see the connection between Levine and a posting bid and I think a lot of what you’re saying is a bit unwarranted. Cash just got his new contract and I highly doubt someone like Levine would go over his head not two months after he signed the deal. We all know Cash wanted more if not full control of baseball operations, so I just see this as extremely unlikely.
And why are we talking about Torre in this?
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by Frank Campagnola on Dec 21, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions
Echoing the sentiment above, there’s really not a whole lot of sense in this attack. We have no idea the extent to which Levine individually impacts the baseball decisions that are made or which decisions he has pushed for. I think that the trust fund babies have no business trying to go over Cashman’s head, but who is to say that Levine is even doing that?
He came out and said some good things about Rafael Soriano after the signing, but does that mean that he was ranting and raving about what a good idea it was to sign him to this deal and personally made it happen? Maybe, maybe not. Cashman made no secret about not being happy about the signing and maybe Levine thought it would be prudent not to sign someone and then have the entire organization be incredibly negative about it.
It just seems stupid to level these vague, unsupported accusations when we really have no idea what impact he is having on the decisions that are made.
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It just seems stupid to level these vague, unsupported accusations when we really have no idea what impact he is having on the decisions that are made.
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