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The Winter Of Our Discontent

Raise your hand if the Yankees have excited you this offseason.

That's what I thought.

At this point, it's highly likely that 95% of the Yankees 2012 roster is already with the team, and the 5% that's still undecided probably consists of utility infielders, fifth outfielders, or middle relievers, which leaves very little to get excited about from now until Spring Training starts.


I suppose that's the way it should be. The Yankees did win 97 games last season despite a starting rotation that nobody believed in, an offense that relied too heavily on the longball, and a $30 million DH/3B who was dragging the whole thing down.

Star-divide

We know that there is no plan in baseball. Sure, the "plan" is to win, make the playoffs, and win the World Series, but there's no set roadmap or formula for making that happen. Just look at the wide range of World Series champions in recent years - what do the 2011 Cardinals, 2010 Giants, 2009 Yankees, 2008 Phillies, and 2007 Red Sox have in common? Not much.

You have high priced veteran teams, young teams that were developed and drafted from within, and a team that probably didn't have more than two good hitters. Look at the teams who should have won the World Series in the past few years but didn't. The 2011 Phillies and 2010-11 Rangers were stacked, but came up short.

Building a team is difficult these days. GMs are smarter than they were ten years ago, and are doing a better job of identifying talent and keeping it, which it makes it more difficult to have an advantage when it comes to acquiring talent. At the same time, and almost as a contradiction, more and more teams are spending their surplus dollars on the free agent market, and things have become crazy again. In light of this, what should the Yankees do? Make a splash just to make a splash? Of course not. There was no exploitable advantage for them this offseason, at least not one that was likely to lead to anything productive. Throwing $100 million at CJ Wilson, or posting $80 million for Yu Darvish is certainly newsworthy, but it might also be insane.

And so the Yankees will wait. They'll wait on Dellin Betances, Hector Noesi, and Manny Banuelos. They'll wait until February to sign a veteran pitcher or two to a low-risk, incentive laden contract. And they'll wait until an advantage presents itself in the form of a salary they can afford to take in a trade, or a free agent they can afford to outbid everybody else on.

Until then, they wait. It's boring, but that's the way it should be.

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AHHHHHH!

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

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by Andrew GM on Dec 16, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

DON'T WORRY GUYS

GUS MOLINA IS COMING BACK!!!

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

Posting pictures

by Andrew GM on Dec 16, 2011 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

*crickets*

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Dec 16, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

veteran present!!
In other news, the Yankees have also re-signed Gus Molina to a minor league pact. He’ll offer Austin Romine some nice veteran presents as his backup with Triple-A Scranton. The Yankees were suffering from a severe shortage of Guses in their farm system, so this clears that up.

by jetanumba2 on Dec 16, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Offseason. Made.

"Son, Nobody is half as good as Mickey Mantle"

by ntrokel on Dec 16, 2011 9:07 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Rough Winter

It’s tough to watch the team I love standing pat but I think it’s for the long range planning! We have been burned in the past by jumping quickly and caution is good this year! With our young talent in the minors I feel we can patch the rotation together till the trading deadline! Then something could present itself! The next couple of years will have some good free agent pitchers available and if we need them can jump then! Continue to hold on to the blue chips and sign some new ones the next two years! After AJ’s contract is up then get someone! Please please hang on to Montero!!!

by David1950 on Dec 16, 2011 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

Not to take anything away from your post, but Elaine Benes would love you.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 16, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree. If the Yankees are serious about getting their payroll under control it would be even worse to act rashly with free agent signings. As Treebeard said in the Lord of the Rings " Don’t be hasty".

by Jtmc on Dec 16, 2011 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

Not done yet

I’m not sure it’s “highly likely” we don’t have a real move left yet. I would not be surprised if either John Danks, Gio Gonzalez, or another two type pitcher we might not even be aware is available ends up being traded for or some other bold unexpected move happens. We’re only in the middle of this. The second biggest free agent prize hasn’t been signed, Yu’s bid hasn’t been revealed, the Cuban isn’t even available. I don not think we’re getting any of those three, but moves lead to other moves.

by Skinnyslim on Dec 16, 2011 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

He might be thinking of the sandwich

In which case it’s almost certainly not available given the Yankees pitching staff.

Usqueadbaugham! Anam muck an dhoul ! Did ye drink me doornail?

by Q-TDSK on Dec 16, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But The Cuban is his official nickname. It’s like if I said The Big Hurt. And by official I mean not official.

by Skinnyslim on Dec 17, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

people refuse to accept this as a truth

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 17, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It's still hard to get used to the Yankees standing pat after all those years of The Boss

There are lots of reasons to be patient right now, but It’s got me wondering whether there would’ve been any panic had they missed the playoffs this year.

Usqueadbaugham! Anam muck an dhoul ! Did ye drink me doornail?

by Q-TDSK on Dec 16, 2011 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

Hard not to be disappointed...

Over Darvish presumably going elsewhere, especially if it’s in the division, especially when the supposed winning bid of $48 mil was high, but not astronomical. Darvish was the one prize that was worth pursuing this winter, which makes the Yankees apparent lack of interest pretty confusing.

People talk about waiting the 2013 pitching class – Cole Hamels, Matt Cain, Zack Greinke, Jon Danks and Anibal Sanchez – but these players are all on teams that have the financial means to re-sign them, so I doubt the market will look as strong by the time spring training begins.

So what we’re left with for 2012 are trade candidates with ridiculous asking prices and two mid-rotation options who are well into their 30’s and have never pitched in the AL in Kuroda and Oswalt. The unfortunate presence of Freddy Garcia means that signing either of these two or anyone else would banish Phil Hughes from the rotation, and I don’t think either of them are good enough to do that over. I find it hard to believe that the Yankees will do nothing, but the thought of doing something is becoming scarier than that since none of the options are all that promising.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 16, 2011 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

If $48,000,000 is not as astronomical amount of money to pay in order to pay someone even more money than what is?

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 17, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Sabathia
2. Garcia
3. Hughes (A healthy Hughes is going to give you 16-18)
4. Nova (Nova adds 15-17 as a number 4)
5. Colon/Noesi (Yeah I actually could see a situation where Colon comes back he didn’t pitch bad last year and there were times he was almost dominant. I feel fatigue was an issue with him last year. But I got a very strong hunch Noesi makes the rotation he was strong last spring, stronger in Winter Ball these kids have Nova and Noesi have good work ethics and fire in the blood.

I do not see Burnett in pinstripes in 2012. That’s the only concern of the Yankees is moving Burnett and pick up a utility bat off the bench. As I said last Winter I do not see the Yankees as a big off season spender for some years to come. And if the Yankees keep bringing up Novas, Hughes, Jobas, Noesi’s, Nunezs, and Monteros why on earth would they?

Going after Yu sounds nice but he’s going to have a veteran superstar contract his first season and most likely spend a lot of that in the minors. We’ve got at least 3 guys down there now at least a year away under team control for sometime to come. Logical sense says wait. The rotation won 97 games last year let’s not forget that. The bullpen is still intact. A healthy Hughes is at least 9 extra wins that makes all the more sense to part with AJ. Between Noesi and Colon working in some tandem as a 5th starter duo Yankees are set with a rotation that if offensively there’s not a significant drop off from last year is a 100 plus win rotation.

And speaking of offense it was actually a down year but still a top offense. The Yankees have already gotten better at the DH with Montero, A-Rod and Jeter going to see significant at bats. If Joe G. gives Martin more rest I believe we’ll see an uptick there. Jeter has been looking good in his workouts… real good as has Texieria. So offensively I see improvement from players that had down years. The Yankees will compete. Will they win it all? Maybe but that’s why we play the games.

by bleedsyankeeblue on Dec 17, 2011 1:38 AM EST reply actions  

The rotation won 71 games.

The bullpen picked up 26 W, also.

Particularly impressive, as the Rays rotation won 67, despite being far more talented. I want more offense. Sigh.

this isn't DRB
you don’t get a free pass for acting like a douchebag.
Derp
by Pikachu on Dec 11, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 17, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

No players expensive enough for the liking of the Marlins.

New target: RIZZO!

this isn't DRB
you don’t get a free pass for acting like a douchebag.
Derp
by Pikachu on Dec 11, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 17, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

horayy for pitcher wins!

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

Hakeem Nicks across the middle I'm BALLIN!

by Rorschach44 on Dec 17, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

AJ's not going anywhere

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Dec 17, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I would like to know where you see AJ landing?

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 17, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

My sources all confirm each other in that the Yankees are having real discussions with Florida Marlins, Toronto Blue Jays, Houston Astros, Pittsburgh Pirates and Baltimore Orioles about possible trades for A.J. Burnett. The mininum the Yankees will have to eat is 5 mil if he goes to the Blue Jays for draft picks.

by bleedsyankeeblue on Dec 17, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You can’t trade draft picks in baseball, so your sources are full of it.

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 17, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

prospects, draft picks almost the same.

by bleedsyankeeblue on Dec 18, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

not really

Romine!

by david d on Dec 18, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

And my sources all confirm that I’m going to win the lottery, move to Beverly Hills and get myself a pet chimp!

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Dec 17, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Would a chimp be considered a pet, or more like a sidekick?

Romine!

by david d on Dec 18, 2011 3:25 AM EST up reply actions  

That

Is a really good question. I’ll say sidekick.

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Dec 18, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

What the hell’s a GIBBY?

Romine!

by david d on Dec 17, 2011 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

want to see one?

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

Hakeem Nicks across the middle I'm BALLIN!

by Rorschach44 on Dec 17, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

yes

i agree, nobody in the free agent class this year worth throwing any money at, i might take a shot on oswalt if the price was right, not if he was too much though, i think we definetly need another consistent arm in the rotation but if theres nothing out there worth the money, wait it out, maybe hughes gets his stuff together, you never know, no reason to go out and offer a bad contract

by capz1990 on Dec 17, 2011 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

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