Yankees/MLB Hot Stove Update - December 14, 2011
by Chris McKeown on Dec 14, 2011 5:47 PM EST
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Print1) At 5 p.m. EST today, the timeline to submit a bid to the Nippon Ham Fighters for Japanese pitching phenom Yu Darvish ended. According to Jack Curry of the YES Network, at least one team has submitted a bid for his services. An announcement of the winning team is expected to be made tonight or tomorrow morning.
And according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe, the Boston Red Sox didn't place a bid. So if Darvish indeed finds his way to the United States for baseball next season, it will either be with the New York Yankees or most likely outside the American League East. There's speculation that the Texas Rangers and Toronto Blue Jays may have placed a bid, but time will tell. Any thoughts on how high the bidding went? We'll have updates as we hear them.
2) Talks surrounding former New York Mets outfielder Carlos Beltran are beginning to take shape. There are apparently "at least five teams" that are serious about acquiring him, including the defending World Champion St. Louis Cardinals, Toronto Blue Jays and Colorado Rockies.
I'd personally be intrigued to see the Toronto Blue Jays try and land him. He would certainly help bolster a weak outfield behind Jose Bautista and have the luxury of serving in the DH spot. Beltran hasn't been in the American League since 2004 when the Kansas City Royals traded him to the Houston Astros.
3) As pointed out earlier today by our very own Jedi Master A-Rod, the Boston Red Sox have traded for former Yankee prospect Mark Melancon. Houston will receive shortstop Jed Lowrie and starter Kyle Weiland. Boston has already countered the loss of Lowrie by agreeing to terms with former Minnesota Twin Nick Punto.
4) Last, the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and the Blue Jays are showing interest in 41-year-old reliever Darren Oliver. The southpaw is surprisingly still around and could very well find himself in Boston or Texas if Los Angeles and Toronto don't work out.
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Let me get my Darvish prediction in before it's announced
The winning bid will be $58 million (inflation + higher than Dice-K out of respect).
Aren't the Blue Jays in the AL East?
it will either be with the New York Yankees or most likely outside the American League East. There’s speculation that the Texas Rangers and Toronto Blue Jays may have placed a bid, but time will tell.
From what I’ve seen in the sports blogosphere, the favorites for Darvish are: (1) Rangers; (2) Blue Jays; (3) Nationals, with the Yankees and Mariners as dark horse teams.
I wouldn't mind him on the Mariners
That would actually open up the possibility of a Felix trade.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 14, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
As currently constituted, they would never trade Felix
However, if they get a half a season out of Darvish that makes him look like a viable replacement, they would have a Darvish-Pineda combo at the top of the rotation cheap, an expensive Felix, and they would still need bats (they have, once again, a brutal offense) to make the playoffs.
Montero + Nunez + X = Felix in that situation, I think.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 14, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Make the playoffs this year, or in the next couple of years
At some point, Felix is no longer in their plan for contention, and becomes more valuable as a trade trip. They aren’t there today, but might be in July.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 14, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
It is possible that they move Felix toward the end of his deal if they don’t think that they can resign him and want to fully rebuild, but they are a $100MM payroll team with literally no long term deals on the books other than Felix, as they will be out from under Ichiro and Figgins in the next few years. Unless they make a big splash with Fielder/Darvish/etc., they will likely be able to make a very competitive offer to extend or resign him.
And with some of the young talent that they have coming up, it’s not out of the question to think that they could add a few bats and compete in a few years. Either way, I think that the earliest that they even entertain the idea of flipping Felix would be in the final year of his current contract (2014).
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by Briceratops on Dec 14, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Let's see where we are tomorrow
As currently constituted, not a viable trade.
But if the Mariners can’t get Fielder & did somehow end up w. Darvish…that might change their calculus.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 14, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed they are. I kept that there because I really don’t see the Blue Jays making a strong enough bid for him.
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by Chris McKeown on Dec 14, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Some unconfirmed guy on Twitter is saying the Blue Jays may have won the bidding. All speculation, sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 14, 2011 6:29 PM EST reply actions
I can't remember if Melancon was good or not
Or worth Lowrie at the very least.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2011 6:30 PM EST reply actions
He's a reliever
That’s not great
Bell: 2.76
Madson: 3.19
Papelbon: 2.51.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 14, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh, but that's not saying he's "good", just that he's "cheap"
And I agree that Boston is choosing the right strategy by paying $2 million for innings 8 & 9 and putting their resources elsewhere.
But Melancon really should be their setup guy (Bard career FIP 3.22). And I don’t think it’s inappropriate to think of them as starters with FIP+1. And a FIP of 4.47 for a starter isn’t league average.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 14, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Damit, I was looking at 2012
Madson is actually 3.7, but some of that was a starter.
Good relievers FIP about 2.5.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 14, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
But as always
He’s a relief pitcher whose contribution will always be limited. The move won’t be the difference on where they end up in the standings.
I was mainly just curious if he was worth Lowrie
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
If I’m GM for ANY team I bid for Darvish. Bid what you can, and hope to get lucky. No reason why the A’s shouldn’t bid a quarter and a Brad Pitt signed baseball. No reason the Meta shouldn’t bid a dinner with Mr. Met in Madoff’s old box.
Doesn’t make any sense to me to make no bid at all.
If you know you can’t pay him when you have the rights, either he’ll take a discount, or he’ll stay in Japan and you don’t have to face him.
Maybe not respectful, but wise if you ask me.
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that’s like a Godzilla-sized insult to disrespect the honorable institution that is the posting system like that. Do you want to piss off Japan and lead them to invent Gundams and blow us up with their Spirit Bombs? DO YOU??
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Yes, I want them to invent Gundams. Like, now….or 15 years ago when I first watched Gundam Wing on Toonami.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
It doesn’t make sense not to bid at all, even if they have no expectations of signing him. Thats what’s confusing to me.
What’s next then? If no Yu Darvish, are they just going to roll with what they have right now or is a trade going to show up?
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I blame Soriano
Seriously. After seeing how much financial flexibility he’s taken away from them I can’t believe I supported the signing in the first place. The Yankees may have missed out on a chance to get a great young starting pitcher because they’re spending 11 million a year on their setup guy. He’s a great reliever, but a great starter is far more valuable. Especially a young one.
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Tripping Olney maybe. Real Olney says they put in a bid.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 14, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yankees did bid on Darvish according to Olney.
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Shit...how did I fail to see "not"?
Twitter report fail!
by PortlandYankee on Dec 14, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Did he actually eff up the tweet and then have to redo it?
Would that mean I wasn’t an idiot the first time?
by PortlandYankee on Dec 14, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Thats disappointing
I’m still a fan of his and I would have loved to see him a Yankee. I’ll wish him success wherever he goes, whether it’s Texas or Toronto or wherever else.
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Clippers getting Paul from Hornets if anyone cares. I am a Spurs fan and I don’t care too much, but as long a he isn’t a Laker i’m happy.
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by Brandon C. on Dec 14, 2011 7:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
basketball reasons?
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I posted something in the Recipe/Restaurant fan post
that you’ll be very interested in!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, ltl & I found a pretty good nachos place
We’ll have to explore more in the NYC world of Nachodom!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm at that Red Sox bar
No douches, do far as I can tell.
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How are the Nachos there?
Are they scrappy?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
I didn’t want Paul and I am a Laker fan.
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by Chris McKeown on Dec 14, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I will certainly check it out! Successfully cooked my penne ala vodka!
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Still don’t know what the number of winning bid for Darvish was, but sources say the Fighters were very excited by how high it was
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 14, 2011 7:35 PM EST reply actions
Damn
Are the Yankees out of it for sure then or is it simply twitter speculation?
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The Yankees bid on him.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 14, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Someone said they didn't though...
God dammit. I really need to get a twitter so I can see all this shit myself instead of relying on all of you for the news.
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MLBTR quoted Olney as saying the Yankees did not bid, but Olney never said that and MLBTR has changed it now.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 14, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, get twitter
It’s awesome, and you can follow me!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say twitter is less creepy
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on who's twitter I'd say
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Follow you?
That would just make every day of my life brighter!
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I do have that effect on people
Well that and I make them hungry!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
BARND!!!!!
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Pitching...pitching...pitching
Those were Cashman’s words at the start of the winter meetings on what he was going for. We all know how that turned out. So, I can’t imagine that the Yankees will just stand pat on this. Yankees win bid for Darvish with $58.3M bid.
I'd be fine with that
The one thing the Yankees have for them here is that they make more profit than any other team in baseball, and probably in all of sports. Being the number 1 team in NYC helps with that, and then all the history they’ve had too. The posting fee doesn’t go toward the luxury tax and it’s just money, and the Yankees will always have much more of that than anybody else.
We’ll see how this all plays out.
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I wouldn't mind that
Problem is you’re running out of rotation spots. If they sign Darvish then Hughes is already out. If they trade for another starter then what are they going to do. Sit Nova? Unless they don’t guarantee Garcia anything like they said they would.
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What??
I like Garcia, but you leave him running after the plane at the airport before sitting Nova.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 15, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I absolutely agree
But the Yankees never have been exactly kind to their young pitchers recently even if they had success, and they’ve already “guaranteed” Garcia a rotation spot. Take that how you want it.
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I don't think so
I think Cashman went into the meetings to see what the market was going to do with CJ and Buehrle and to see what would be left as possibilities suitors in the Darvish race. It’s just strange that they would do absolutely nothing knowing that their pitching is really not that sound. They’ve got something big planned and it’s Darvish.
by OldYankee Fan on Dec 14, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
If Cashman trades Montero AND ManBan AND someone else for Gio or Danks, he’s a damn moron.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 14, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think they’ll keep ManBan, and hopefully Montero, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him moved. They have the likes of Phelps, Warren, Betances, and Sanchez and, oh it hurts so bad, Romine. A combination of some of these parts can get us a 3 type or better starter.
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At this point, I’d rather just sign Kuroda or Edwin Jackson. Everyone wants an overpay for their pitchers, regardless of what they are actually worth. Keep the kids, just spend some money.
I wonder if their price goes up once Darvish goes to a team. They become the 2 most valuable FA pitchers, unless you think Oswalt is better. Their demand will likely go way up for the losers of the Darvish bidding.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 14, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, please
At this point, I’d rather just sign Kuroda or Edwin Jackson. Keep the kids, just spend some money.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 15, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
yankee's hitting/pitchingi
still need a bat and pitching
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
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