New York Yankees News and Notes: A King’s Ransom
by William Juliano on Dec 10, 2011 9:01 AM EST
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PrintWith the Angels upping the ante in the A.L. West, ESPN's Dave Schoenfield suggests it might now be time for the Mariners to shop Felix Hernandez, and wonders if Jesus Montero, Brett Gardner, Manny Banuelos and another prospect would do the trick?
In the wake of the winter meetings, the Diamondbacks acquired Trevor Cahill from the Oakland Athletics for a package of prospects headlined by Jarrod Parker. Does this deal mean Brian Cashman has to scratch Gio Gonzalez off his list?
The Rays continue to lock up budding young stars to favorable long-term deals. Yesterday, the team signed 22-year old left hander Matt Moore to a five-year deal worth $14 million with two team options that could bring the total value to $40 million. With the Yankees recently talking about budgets, might it be worthwhile for the team to make similar offers to Jesus Montero, and perhaps even Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes, two pitchers coming off disappointing points in their careers, but approaching arbitration?
Lately, the Yankees seem to be making the most noise about moves they are not willing to make. Although any story related to the Yu Darvish posting has to be taken with a grain of salt because it is in the interest of the team to obscure its true intentions, there have been several reports suggesting the Yankees may not be inclined to place a bid for the Japanese right hander. Meanwhile, the team has also reportedly disavowed any interest in former Dodgers’ pitcher Hiroki Kuroda.
The Yankees officially announced the signing of Freddy Garcia to a one-year deal worth a guaranteed $4 million. In order to make room on the roster for Garcia, outfielder Colin Curtis for designated for assignment.
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not surprising that they are shopping him
given his massive salary raise for the next three years.
Having him as our No.2 would be scary for opposing teams, but then again everyone thought the phillies rotation would bring a title.
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It wouldn't really matter
Two of the best pitchers in baseball at the top of the rotation would be sick.
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Mariners are not shopping him yet
The report above was conjecture, but at some point this season, the Mariners may start soliciting offers. Needless to say, King Felix is one of a few for whom you should be willing to unload the farm.
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by William Juliano on Dec 10, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions
Then don’t trade for Felix.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 10, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
If and when the Mariners shop Felix Hernandez
The Yankee’s should do everything humanly possible to acquire him!
I understand this sentiment
But I would rather us pick up someone like Gonzalez and be able to keep Montero and Banuelos. The thought of possibly having a catcher who may hit .330/.380/.520 and a lefty as nasty as ManBan may be for years to come is intriguing. And cheap.
Romine!
I agree
Though I think Gonzalez would cost at least one of Montero or ManBan though, so I’m not sure that would work.
I really wish they’d pulled the trigger on Greinke last year. Montero would have been the only significant piece leaving, they would have gotten one of the best young pitchers in baseball and they would have kept all of their young pitchers. And pitching wouldn’t be a pressing need right now either. But it is what it is. I don’t think they have enough money for any free agents, so if they’re getting a pitcher this year it’s gonna come via trade.
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Gio is not worth a top prospect
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 10, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I know
Thats why it won’t happen.
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Getting rid of Montero OR ManBan would suck, getting rid of both for the same player would be devastating to the farm. I know it’s Felix and all, but blowing up the farm to the extent of losing our top 2 guys AND a cost controlled, great defensive outfielder is too much for one player, even Felix.
That being said, the A’s wanted Montero, ManBan/Dellin, and someone else whose name escapes me for Gio. Makes Edwin Jackson and Hiroki Kuroda look better by the day.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 10, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
No!
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
No that means we would have to trade the whole farm which is dumb even for a guy like Felix
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As much as I like Felix.
I wouldn’t trade Montero, Banuelos, and Gardner for him.
by schmosterballs92 on Dec 10, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions
I wouldn't even trade them
Sanchez, Betances, or Williams for Felix
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Then you are positively out of your mind. I’d hand deliver them all three in a cocaine heartbeat.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 10, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well I just don't like giving up prospects and I still think your being impatient with Sanchez who could probably end up being a more complete prospect than Montero
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Sanchez’s season was worse than any year Montero ever had in the minors. By a lot.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 10, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
He started off slow then started to mash before getting hurt. It’s not the bat they have to worry about (at least not yet.)
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 10, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, maybe not regarding Sanchez
Still too early to know for sure. He’s 19.
And it doesn’t matter anyways, because the only trade package that would bring Felix to NY is one that would completely empty the farm system that Cashman has worked so hard to rebuild. I don’t think he’ll like the idea of that too much.
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Sanchez and Williams are light years (in baseball terms) away from being useful to the Yankees and who knows if Betances will get his wildness under control.
That move would be the definition of a no-brainer
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 10, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully we'll sign Darvish and he'll be so good that by the time Felix becomes available we can say "we don't need him"
But if that doesn’t happen, I’d have no problem giving up this package for him. This is a young top flight pitcher on a long team-friendly contract. I don’t remember the last time a player that valuable was traded.
Montero, as good as he will be, is worth trading for a young ace. Banuelos is an excellent prospect but one whose development the Yankees will most likely screw up anyway. Gardner is a nice complimentary player, but the Yankees don’t play him in center field which makes him fairly easily replaceable.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 10, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Because Gardner doesn't play CF he's fairly easily replaceable?
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 10, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
He should play CF. (Not saying you don’t believe that, just a random angry thought)
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Oh, I agree. I just don't see the fact that he doesn't as a reason to consider him easily replaceable.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 10, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I assume he’s saying the toughest outfield position to find talent is centerfield because a centerfielder can play left or right, but a left fielder or right fielder can’t necessarily just play center.
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Fair enough then. Just sounded to me like he was portraying him as “just a LF”
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 10, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
The point was it wouldn’t be too difficult for the Yankees to find a reasonably productive left fielder to replace Gardner.
It wasn’t to say Gardner is a less valuable player because the Yankees play him in LF. Just that he’s less valuable to the Yankees.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 10, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I REALLY like Williams and Betances, but I’d make that deal. I really don’t think the Yankees need all three of Sanchez, Romine, Montero in their system, and one of which should definitely be traded for something better.
The thing I’d love to see is a prospect for prospect type of trade. The Astros and Blue Jays did that, I’m hoping the Yankees can deal a catcher for a prospect.
For Felix I would give a LOT.
Hopefully Sanchez improves his stock and the Yankees sell high or groom him to be future catcher, they may have missed out their time to deal Romine, though I still think he isn’t bad.
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Then if we want to trade anybody it should be Romine
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Your over the top mancrush on a player in Low A ball is confusing.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 10, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Why? What’s so great about Sanchez? Serious question, not meaning to pile on.
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It has nothing to do with Sanchez being better than anybody
I just like giving up prospects for anything less than an ace or an all-star hitter
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So what do you suggest the Yankees do this off-season? Get no one? Trade no one for no one?
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What is their to trade for this offseason really
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I’m all for signing Kuroda and calling it an off-season, actually, but if you’re offered a deal for a teams #2 starter and you have to give up just Sanchez and a few others you don’t do it?
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I like Kuroda too but the only other #2 on the market is Gio
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There’s no way you know that.
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So you know any other #2's on the market
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Nope, but I know for a fact that I have no way of knowing that for a fact.
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So if you no way of knowing for a fact
does taht mean you tradefor Gio
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What? That’s not what I’m saying in the slightest.
I’m saying that unless we’re members of the Yankees organization there is no way we know for a fact all of the options that are available.
For all we know the Phillies could be shopping Roy Halladay, not everything gets reported.
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i agree that not everything might be reported
but I seriously doubt they would be shopping Roy Halladay if anything they might be shopping Cole Hamels because his contract runs out after this season and he doesn’t look like he’s going to resign
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He was just using him as an example
duh, they’re not shopping him…however no one here has any idea whatsoever as to who is considered available.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 10, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I know he was using it as an example
but still it wasn’t a good one
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It was on purpose to show how little we really do know about who’s on the market. Obviously they’re not shopping him, but if by the oddest of reasons they did, we could have no clue.
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On anothert note
What would you trade for Hamels
I’d trade Betances, Romine, and Williams which would be fair since since they really don’t have any leverage
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So, to you, the difference between Felix and Cole Hamels is Gary Sanchez.
I don’t even…
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 10, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
No it's just that the phillies wouldn't take everyone in farm system including Montero
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because they have nothing i their farm system beside Brown
and they would want to replenish there farm system to prepare for when Lee, and Halladay get worse
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…that’s not going to stop them or anyone from asking for the best pieces of the Yankees farm system for anyone.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 10, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Then they wouldn’t get anyone, so who cares?
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 10, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
What if he re-signed with the Yankees
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He’s just not very clear on what the work example means.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 10, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah and you don't know how to spell word
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I'm sorry that wasn't nice of me
and I know what an example is
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 10, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think he would have an attitude problem?
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That’s a given. The issue is whether is explosive athleticism is enough to justify keeping him around.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 10, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well, now that hard-nosed blue-collar grinders like Mark Buehrle and C.J. Wilson are off the market, it might make sense to go in this direction.
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…Felix is the definition of an ace.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 10, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
This is true. Even in the updated dictionary there’s a picture of him!
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It’s just funny because I don’t think we should trade for Felix because he’s going to cost the whole world, but disagreeing with trading 2 prospects who haven’t even made it to Tampa yet, if that’s what the Mariners asked for? Insanity.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 10, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like the Javy Vazquez trade is bringing some of the crazies out. Vizcaino got up there fast, but how does anyone really eve rknow?
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If they’re just going to use him as a reliever, who cares? Not like they lost a whole lot if that’s his maximum use.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 10, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
They’re not converting him back?
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Where are they going to put him? That rotation is stacked with young pitchers already.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 10, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
True, they could start him in AAA and do a prospect for prospect, or even package him in a bigger deal. Teams would likely have a lot more interest in him as a starter.
The trades that impress me most is when a GM trades a depth player that really is quite talented for an equally talented player that plays a position of need.
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Do you really think the mariners would trade him to anybody though
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That’s not what she’s saying.
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I know he 's an ace
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That has nothing to do with the conversation. You said you wouldn’t trade them Williams, Sanchez, or Betances if the Mariners somehow got amnesia and asked for that, though it would never happen. Two of those guys have never even sniffed Trenton. Not even close. That’s absurd.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 10, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I would give up Sanchez for John Danks or Gavin Floyd right now.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 10, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I’d do that in a second. Can’t wait for the Sox to have to drop their price on Danks.
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If they look around and no one is willing to go for their price they have to drop it for everyone. I’m hoping it drops to the point that the Yankees overpay is still a fair trade.
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I'd trade the shit out of Sanchez even for a #2
I think Cashman should really look into something like that, though what we have now is fine and not worth losing people if we don’t need to
With all the catchers we have
in the system, I’d trade Sanchez for ANY solid starter, regardless of what “number” is attached.
Romine!
You know there’s a good chance that none of Sanchez, Williams, or Betances are successful at this level right?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 10, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
They also have major upside at scarce positions.
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by Frank Campagnola on Dec 10, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
None have the same type of upside as Felix.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 12, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Give them the B-boys
Give them Manny, Dellin, Sanchez, and an OF prospect for Felix. Heck, we still have CC, Nova, Noesi, Phelps and Hughes.
I’m not sure how much it would really take to get Felix now. His contract skyrockets this season, and you have to be worried about a guy entering his age 26 season having already thrown nearly 1,400 innings at the ML level.
Also, Felix has really only had shiny ERAs in 2009 and 2010. His peripheral numbers suggest he’s really good, but not as good as the package of prospects it would probably take to get him. For example, he’s never had a season FIP under 3.00.
I’m not saying he isn’t great, but Felix concerns me a bit.
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by Frank Campagnola on Dec 10, 2011 2:44 PM EST reply actions
I think his asking price is just a bit overblown, basically.
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by Frank Campagnola on Dec 10, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
My guess is that Darvish is Plan A
And a trade is Plan B. All this “iffy on Darvish” stuff is just gamesmanship.
And I would give whatever the Royals wanted for Greinke (say Montero, Nunez and Betances) for Felix without a second thought. Over the past 3 years, he is the #5 pitcher in fWAR, just behind CC & just ahead of Greinke. His ERA, FIP & XFIP are all LOWER than CCs in that period.
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