Cubbie and Yankee trade?
by djoep2000 on Dec 1, 2011 9:15 PM EST
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PrintCubs want to rid themselves of Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Zambrano. Taking offers for Matt Garza.
Yankees fans want to see A.J. Burnett in another uniform. Bronx Bombers showing interest in Garza. Several attractive pieces in the minors. Such as David Phelps, Adam Warren and Chris Dickerson. With major league experienced Hector Noesi and Francisco Cervelli.
Could there be a trade here.
Basically AJ for Zambrano is a wash. Yankees would actually take on an addition 1.5 million. No one has or will predict that Carlos would become a Cy Young winner. So one year and done if he does not show the ability to be one of the best. Give both of these guys fresh starts. Maybe best of both worlds for both teams. If Carlos cannot act like a man, suspend him for rest of season and call it a career. Good news would be without pay. Yankees would then add 18 million to the budget for next years free agent class.
Garza for Warren, Phelps and Noesi. Yankees would add around 6 million to the payroll. Cubs would get three promising young pitcher. All three have much higher projections in the National League. This of course would unclog the minor league triple A rotation and let Killer B's progress.
Soriano for Cervilli and Chris Dickerson. Yankees would be stuck with an additional 63 million over next few years. But has been long rumored that Cubs would eat up to 50 million of the money owed to Alfonso. So key would be getting that salary down to a manageable 4 to 6 million a year over the rest of his contract. Then Yankees would have that fourth outfielder and lefty masher off the bench. Also would allow him to be trade bait if he does not work out. Cubs would get that needed back-up catcher that can handle a bat. This would relieve some of that catcher log jam the Yankees currently have. Then Dickerson would either become the regular left fielder or left handed fourth outfielder for the Cubs.
NEW YANKEES>>>Carlos Zambrano, Alfonso Soriano & Matt Garza
NEW CUBS>>> A.J. Burnett, Francisco Cervelli, Chris Dickerson, Adam Warren, David Phelps & Hector Noesi
What are your thought on this trade?
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So we get proven ex AL East starter for a bunch of unproven ehh type ceiling players?
You think Chicago is going to do that?
Realist.
So they get all our mid-level prospects while we get their two most overpaid players and a decent pitcher?
Screw if the Cubs will do that. Why would the Yankees do that?
by bloppy_ploppy on Dec 1, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Just getting Garza makes this deal a ridiculous win for the Yankees
No way anyone, let alone Epstein, goes for this
Soriano and Zambrano may be the two most overpaid players in baseball, not really sure why you think this is robbery for the Yankees.
They probably could actually
Doesn’t make it smart though (yes, I know you were sarcastic).
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because
Garza for Warren, Phelps and Noesi.
is ridiculous. The other ridiculous trade suggestions are equally ridiculous.
Here is how I read this post
Basically AJ for Zambrano…
Garza for Warren, Phelps and Noesi.
Soriano for Cervilli and Chris Dickerson.
Three separate transactions. The first being nothing more than dumping a year of bad pitcher contract. The second being an incredible win for the Yankees. And the third being a bad deal for the Yankees, but not bad enough to offset the second deal.
by waw on Dec 3, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
So would you pay $50 to eat two bowls of horse turd and a Klondike?
I know this is a wacky analogy, but you don’t get one good player (or anything) and two bad, too expensive players if you don’t have to.
by bloppy_ploppy on Dec 3, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
To use your analogy, if I really really wanted the Klondike
then I’d take that, and dump the bowls of horse turd on my wife’s garden for fertilizer.
Always assuming that, as in this post, the transactions were listed separately (i.e., that Klondike better not be in the bowl of horse turds).
by waw on Dec 3, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
No way would the yankes ever give one of their top 2 pitching prospects for a solid 4/ okay 3 starter
Do you watch baseball?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 2, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to here justification as to why Garza is a 4
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by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 3, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I would love to hear The Who (everyone is alive again) live in concert again!
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by Brandon C. on Dec 1, 2011 9:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 1, 2011 9:39 PM EST reply actions
Let's also get...
Barry Zito, John Lackey, Adam Dunn, Jayson Werth and Carlos Lee
Then we can have all the worst contracts in baseball.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 1, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions
We already have ARod's, that's a good start.
by designatedquitter on Dec 2, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
and jeters
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 3, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Take it back!
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Cervelli and Dickerson are an overpay
Ramiro Pena for everyone
by jetanumba2 on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
While we’re at it, let’s trade Jesus and the rest of the farm for Ryan Dempster.
by bloppy_ploppy on Dec 1, 2011 10:36 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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by nyyrocks29 on Dec 1, 2011 10:55 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Well, not true. I read the first two lines
Yankees fans want to see A.J. Burnett in another uniform
Guess I’m not a Yankees fan.
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A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Can't I be a Marlins fan?
They got all these new players!!!
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Alfonso Soria-NO.
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by Andrew GM on Dec 2, 2011 1:40 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
He was great in the 2001 World Series though
And I don’t think he’s a head case or anything. He’s not even a bad baseball player, he’s just not a particularly good one being paid like a great one.
I wouldn’t say “great” in the 01 Series. Just clutch. He only had 6 hits, it just so happened that one of them walked off Game 5 and another was 3 outs from being the Series-winning homer.
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CUB YANKEE TRADE
I think the Yankees would be complete idiots for making a trade that would only give them one good player out of the deal (Garza) and 2 has beens in Carlos Zambrano and Alfonso Soriano.
To give up Warren, Phelps, or Noesi would be a very foolish mistake.
i would happily do the zambrano for aj burnett straight up, but none of the others.
IF the cubs ate all of sorianos contract, i might take him off their hands for a hug, but not much more.
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Zambrano is also legally insane
I don't want to hear anymore CP3 to the Knicks trade rumors
The Yankees have a budget, believe it or not. I can't imagine wasting any more of it on Soriano or Zambrano.
I would give up prospects, even good ones, for Garza.
by designatedquitter on Dec 2, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions
This of course would unclog the minor league triple A rotation and let Killer B’s progress.
I could not disagree more with this misguided statement.
Yeah, because it's Warren and Phelps that caused Betances' and Banuelos' BB rates to go up...
Those tricksy players, swapping the game ball for a whiffle ball
I don't want AJ, but at the same time I don't want Zambrano.
I would do the trade for Matt Garza for the three prospects you listed above. In the case of AJ, as well as Rafael Soriano, buy them out. They are both problem children. In the end, we have a lot of money saved to buy better players.
How many Yankee pitching prospects have really panned out over the years?
Pettitte might be the last prospect that showed any consistency during his career. Nova last year, but does he end up like Hughes this year? Chamberlain has been injured and inconsistent. The book is not out on Noesi. Ian Kennedy over the last season, another 1-2 year wonder? Brian Taylor. Matt Drews. When you think about it, there are very few Yankee pitching prospects succeeding in the majors, either for them or another team.
If I can trade a B-boy or both of them and get Garza, I’d definitely do it.
Taylor wasn't really the Organization's fault
I fault them for signing Brackman when he needed tommy john surgery, it one thing to sign an injured player, its another thing to give him a major league deal even though he had very little leverage at the time. On a minor league contract he’d still be in the system.
There is also David Robertson, Randy Choate, Tyler Clippard, Jake Westbrook, maybe Mark Melancon that have shown any staying power. We had been drafting weakly for years, however a lot of the recent success has been international signings (Noesi, Banuelos, Aceves)
I like that trade a lot.
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If the Yankees did these deals with the Cubs, they deserve to finish in third. I doubt even 1980’s Steinbrenner would even make deals this crappy.
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80's deals...sigh
Doug Drabek for Rick Rhoden…
Fred McGriff and Mike Morgan for Tom Dodd and Dale Murray.
Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps
Willie McGee for Bob Sykes
Bob Tewksbury for Steve Trout
Oh the humanity
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 4, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I take back the 80s Steinbrenner comment,lol
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Another awesome post.
Why didn’t you suggest we make a three way trade with the Cubs and Mets in which we send Dickerson and get Garza and David Wright?
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
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