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The Tireless Pursuit of Yu Darvish

In a free agent market that offers pitchers that have proven they can compete in the American League or National League, many teams are turning an eye toward Japan. The level of intrigue surrounding 25-year-old Yu Darvish is much like that which circled Daisuke Matsuzaka after the 2006 season.

A current Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighter, Darvish is reportedly asking his club to post him to Major League Baseball this offseason in hopes of landing with a big league club in the United States. 

If Darvish indeed posted, I'm most interested to see what the winning bid to speak with him will be. It seems logical to think that a limited number of teams out there are going to be keen on the thought of dropping upwards of $40 million just for the right to negotiate with him. However, it's been done before. 

Recall that the Boston Red Sox paid an unreasonable $51.1 million posting fee to speak with Matsuzaka before agreeing to a six year deal worth $52 million. Boston essentially spends slightly more than $17 million per season (factoring in the posting fee, of course) for Matsuzaka. It's also worth noting that the Red Sox outbid their closest competitor by $20 million. Unless someone is absolutely chomping at the bit for starting pitching out there, I seriously doubt anyone will pay that high again. 

The Yankees, although not to the same extent as Boston, also paid a $26 million posting fee to chat with Kei Igawa and agreed to a five year, $20 million deal heading into 2007.

With Matsuzaka folding thanks to numerous injuries and Kei Igawa never quite panning out, teams will no doubt be cautious in their international spending. With cheaper, yet older, options currently on the free agent market, why not just play it safe?

Because Yu Darvish is exceptionally talented. 

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Highly regarded as the best pitcher in all of Japan, Darvish has absolutely dazzled the Pacific League since his emergence in 2005 at the age of 18. In his seven seasons in Japan, Darvish has tossed 1268.1 innings, allowing only 916 hits while walking 333 batters. Yes, that's a WHIP of 0.98 in seven seasons. With 1259 strikeouts, his 8.93 SO/9 rate over the course of seven years is truly astounding. 

His intense repertoire of pitches certainly helps keep hitters honest. Not notably a fastball pitcher, his four-seamer hovers in the mid-90s and his hard slurve pitch dials up in the low-80s with a nasty bite. In addition to those two pitches, he's been known to hurl a two-seamer, changeup, curveball, and sinker. His bulky 6'5", 220 pound frame has helped his velocity steadily rise year after year as well. 

Glancing at this through a "glass half full", Darvish has portrayed an array of spectacular pitching and proven that he can handle a heavy workload of innings. It would be moderately surprising to see his innings count top 200 in his first year at the big league level considering the overemphasis on relief pitching in America. He has minimal injury history (stress fracture of right hand forefinger in 2009) and is as consistent a pitcher we've seen. 

Despite all signs pointing to a potential ace in the major leagues, skepticism should be widely accepted. It'd be unethical not to question the obscene amount of money that may be thrown his way. And for what? Sure, he's more than proven himself in Japan. But baseball in America is different: the hitters are better, the pitching schedule is a bit more grueling, the culture is tough to break into, etc. 

That's what makes this so fascinating. Ownership takes a gamble with every contract that it collectively offers to players, whether they're "homegrown" or foreign. The economic return on Darvish could pay unfathomable dividends and lead the Yankees to discovering a new, young fixture in their rotation. He just seems too good to pass on.

My humble and honest opinion is that the winning bid to speak with him will be between $30-$40 million and his contract should be in the ballpark of five/six years, $50-$60 million. 

What's our consensus, Pinstripe Alley? 

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Note: The arguments presented in this "vs. series" do not necessarily reflect the writers true beliefs, but they could.

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With … Kei Igawa never quite panning out

How can you say that about the career wins record holder of the [Scranton] Yankees!

by qortra on Nov 8, 2011 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

He will probably be an effective Major League pitcher for less time than his contract will be paying him.

On one hand, he has the equivalent of 5 MLB seasons on his arm and is in his prime. On the other hand, it doesn’t appear that he’s ever pitched as many as 200 innings, which whomever signs him will be expecting as a minimum.

8.93 Ks per 9 innings in the Pacific League does not quite ‘astound’ me.

Any team that pays $40m in posting fees in order to give Darvish another $40m in salary is doing so out of fear of missing the next big thing, rather than deciding that this is the wisest way to spend the money. Hmm, that sounds like the Yankees.

by designatedquitter on Nov 8, 2011 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

The 2009 season he had an arm injury

And then he comes back the season after and pitches to an ERA of 1.78 and 1.49 the year after. Plus when you factor in his K/9 of over 10 this season his NPB career K/9 comes to 9.4. And if you remove the 2009 season where he had a K/9 of 8.3 (he has never had a K/9 below 9 except in that season where he had an arm injury) his K/9 comes to 9.75.

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by ntrokel on Nov 8, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Well don't forget the other side of that too...

What if he turns out to BE the next big thing?

Every once in a while, an overhyped prospect turns out to be worth the hype! There is just as much chance of this being a great signing as a bad one.

And I hate to add to the hype, but so far, this kid seems to be doing everything right. Consistent performance, outstanding numbers, consistent health. He pitches against comparable talent too. So really… what more is there to ask of this kid?

If we search for a fault hard enough we will find one and probably overblow it.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 8, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

How 'bout

he’s got an angular, ski slope nose and a early 90’s, grunge style hair do?

Romine!

by david d on Nov 8, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't button his top button.

And he looks like Apollo Ohno had a one night stand with Sandra Oh.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 8, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

So who would want this guy?

Romine!

by david d on Nov 8, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The Red Sox or the Cardinals

or the Brewers? All those unkempt, unprofessional teams.

by phonty on Nov 8, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

judging by his chin whiskers, he would fit right in with Bahston

I can already see him wearing one of those stupid woven necklaces.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 8, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

He pitches against comparable talent too.

Nippon baseball is comparable to a AAAA league. imagine a roster full of Greg Golsons and Chris Dickersons and Justin Maxwells and Colin Curtis

by jetanumba2 on Nov 8, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Last I checked AAA was where many of the MLB prospects have come from

And given that we agree that the Japanese league is at least equivalent to AAA and arguably a bit more competitive…. whats your issue with my statement?

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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 8, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

just that his numbers in Japan are skewed compared to what he would face here, thats all.

by jetanumba2 on Nov 8, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course they are.

But my point is, it’s hardly different in the US when prospects pitch great in the minors and are on the cusp of being promoted from AAA to the Show.

I wouldn’t expect Darvish to come over here and pitch 200 innings and keep his ERA under 2.00. I don’t think people are assuming this kid will come over and immediately be unhittable like Cliff Lee was for a couple months last season.

But there seems to be little doubt that he is dominating the Japanese league in a major way. That the competition over there is at least on the same level as AAA and maybe even a tad better, that would bode that Darvish IS a MLB ready pitcher. And furthermore, while it would be foolish to think of him as an instant ace, it doesn’t seem unreasonable to think of this kid as maybe a good #3 or #4 starter out of the gate.
So yeah, his numbers in Japan don’t reflect what he would do in the US, but it isn’t like he is facing totally inferior competition.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 9, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Get him signed...

Post 40 and see if that is enough (Would be surprised if anyone topped that, though the Cubs w/Epstein might). If 40 is enough, see about a 5 year 50 million deal…

Darvish will bring more than that 90 million back into the front office, with the Japanese market reheating up for their next darling prospect going to the team they love to root for the most AND the high probability that he makes the Yanks a better ballclub.

by tmccamis09 on Nov 8, 2011 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

Cliff Lee signed for $120 million last offseason

He had already won a Cy Young award in the major leagues at the time.

Darvish is worth 75% of that?

Jesus Montero has to be a full-time catcher, or the Yankees have to trade him. One or the other. Based on the age and contracts of the other players on this team, that's the only place he fits long-term on the Yankees roster.

by 3460kuri on Nov 8, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Darvish brings a return investment from a Japanese market that Lee doesn’t. Hard to say exactly how good he will be, and there are risks with any long-term high dollar deal, but I think you gotta roll the dice here given the Yanks need and potential high upside.

by tmccamis09 on Nov 8, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Cliff Lee was 31. Darvish is 25, and has the potential to be just as good as Lee.

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by Wraithpk on Nov 8, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Potential isn’t worth $90M.

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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 8, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Potential is worth everything.

Every Free Agent ever signed was signed based on what the team believed they could achieve.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 8, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

No effing way that the “potential” and endorsements that Darvish brings to the table is worth anywhere cose to 75% of a proven major league ace..

No effing way.

Jesus Montero has to be a full-time catcher, or the Yankees have to trade him. One or the other. Based on the age and contracts of the other players on this team, that's the only place he fits long-term on the Yankees roster.

by 3460kuri on Nov 8, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on how likely you think it is that he becomes an ace

The people who really want him tend to think that the likelihood of him living up to that potential is very high. This isn’t a 50-50 thing.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 8, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, not every team's ace is Cliff Lee.

Some team’s aces are Jeremy Guthrie and Bruce Chen.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 8, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

C'mon now.

Is it that hard to see that this kid’s potential pricetag isn’t just for him, but for him + a new market of people who would most likely spend oodles of money on Yankee merchandise and tune into Yankee games on TV?!?!

Let’s not try to ignore the fact that baseball is a business.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 8, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

*try not

Though otherwise, I think your post is spot on.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 8, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

that was very Yoda of me.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course not.

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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 8, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think $15M without looking it up

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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 8, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

took the words out of my mouth, basically

i was pondering the “right” figure, and i think offering 40 big for posting and then seeing if a “reasonable” (your mileage may vary) contract can be agreed upon is about where i would come out on this. any number, by definition, is going to be somewhat random, but a total outlay of 90 or less seems worth the admitted risk involved. as i think others have mentioned, there may be a place for shorter-term guaranteed plus option for more years/bigger numbers on the basis of incentives.

wherever he ends up, i admit i’m starting to get excited: i guess the hype machine is doing a number on me, or maybe i’m a sucker for a soul patch?

by sing_or_die_1818 on Nov 8, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Guns n' Roses

Use Your Illusion I, Track 15.

Romine!

by david d on Nov 8, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

C'mon

the whole point of this was to spark a debate. Maybe they should change the format to: Preview, Post with both sides, vote & discuss (similar to the courtroom debates). I think stringing out the arguments into separate posts helps to create this “dead horse” sentiment, since we’ve been discussing it since the preview post.

by phonty on Nov 8, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I am open to suggestions, does this work better? For future arguments they won’t have had as much discussion beforehand.

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by Brandon C. on Nov 8, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe have two separate posts but on the same day?

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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 8, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps that could work.

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by Brandon C. on Nov 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

no one post for everything

the front page starts to really get cluttered, especially when everything is about one topic

by jetanumba2 on Nov 8, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that supposed to say “no, one post for everything” or “no do not put everything in one post”

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by Brandon C. on Nov 8, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

i just realized that looks confusing. there should be a comma. I want to read it all in one place. It makes it more definitive rather than being scattered around in different places.

by jetanumba2 on Nov 8, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

In the wrap up post I bring together all of the posts.

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by Brandon C. on Nov 8, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah i don't think we need a wrap up post

what are you going to say in that that would add anything? If there are more of these discussions later it would be nice to have one definitive post for each debate (not each side) so that people could read an entire discussion not just part 1 of x. Having 4 different posts in one week about Yu Darvish is kind of annoying haha! everyone can talk about how they feel in the comment section

by jetanumba2 on Nov 8, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Do It

I think it’s worth the risk… It’s not like the Yanks don’t have the money.

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by DarthYankee on Nov 8, 2011 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

One correction
Matsuzaka essentially receives slightly more than $17 million per season (factoring in the posting fee, of course).

Unless I’m mistaken, that’s misinformation, since the posting fee went to his Japanese team and his contract was 6 yrs/$52M for 2007 through 2012 (according to baseball-reference.com), broken down as such: $6.3M, $8.3M, $8.3M, $8.3M, $10.3M, $10M.

I’m not sure why you included the posting fee in his salary.

by phonty on Nov 8, 2011 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

Splitting hairs

When a team posts $50 million for a player, it may not count as salary but it’s still real money that can be used on other things.

For all practical purposes, it should be considered salary when describing a player’s performance, because the team did spend it to get the player, even if it did not go to the player directly.

Jesus Montero has to be a full-time catcher, or the Yankees have to trade him. One or the other. Based on the age and contracts of the other players on this team, that's the only place he fits long-term on the Yankees roster.

by 3460kuri on Nov 8, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm asking you personally:

What do you rather the Yankees spend that posting fee on? It’s not going toward payroll for players and really, what beyond that do us fans actually care about regarding the Yankees’ personal money? Their player payroll’s not going to be any different posting fee or not.

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by Andrew GM on Nov 8, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

What do you rather the Yankees spend that posting fee on?

Honestly, I would rather they keep the money. I know they’re not strapped for cash, but spending money just because they have it is a poor reason to go after a player. If Bill Gates wipes his ass with $100 bills, it doesn’t hurt him financially, but it’s still a stupid thing to do.

That’s pretty much my analogy for Darvish. I actually do like him and am intrigued by his talent, but at the cost of a $40 million posting fee and $50 million contract, I expect him to come with at least triple the expectations of AJ Burnett, and at least double the risk of failure.

Any free agent is a gamble, but the gamble on Darvish is akin to doubling down on a 12 or pushing all in with 7-2.

Jesus Montero has to be a full-time catcher, or the Yankees have to trade him. One or the other. Based on the age and contracts of the other players on this team, that's the only place he fits long-term on the Yankees roster.

by 3460kuri on Nov 8, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

and if he falters or doesn’t live up to expectations (which another $40M for a posting fee might do) it will look even worse.

by jetanumba2 on Nov 8, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

my option of what to do with the $$

instead of 90 million for 5 years of Darvish how about same $$ for three years of Pujols ? With options to follow.

by poppop22 on Nov 9, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

It's true the money IS real.

But it doesn’t reflect in his yearly salary after the 1st year.

So basically, Matsusaka’s 1st year cost Bahston $57.4 Mil (considering the $51.1Mil posting fee).

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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 8, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Essentially that’s how much Boston is paying for his services per season, whether the money goes to Matsuzaka or not. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

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by Chris McKeown on Nov 8, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was the way you said it

with “Matsuzaka receives” which is factually untrue. If you said “The Red Sox spend $17M per season for Matsuzaka to pitch” it would make more sense.

by phonty on Nov 8, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

I think this is also a misrepresentation. You could say “The Red Sox will have spent a total of $103.1M to acquire (speak to and sign) Matsuzaka by the time his current contract is concluded.”

The posting fee is gone, so they’re not really spending “$17M per season.”

by phonty on Nov 9, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Coming from a Yankee fan who lives in New England,

this sounds all too familiar to the hype Matsuzaka received when he first got to Boston. He supposedly had six plus pitches, pitched well in international competition, he was different from any of the Japanese pitchers who came before him.Look what they got! The Boston media convinced the fans that he was a top of the rotation pitcher.I’d submit a posting fee, but I’d bid real low.

by powerlifter610 on Nov 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

Dice k has been hampered with injuries but he has had an ace season... he also has struggled throwing strikes

i think the yankees with restrict innings with yu, and i think its also very important the language aspect of the game. idk if darvish knows english.

Where is the meatloaf?

by Habana on Nov 8, 2011 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

what does the language barrier have anything to do with it?

tons of players only speak spanish and that is never an issue

by jetanumba2 on Nov 8, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm

Tons of players speak only spanish. Right, so they have lots of teammates that they can communicate with, right? Not too many teammates would speak Japanese.

Matsui had to have a translator everywhere he went, and he didn’t have to have meetings at the mound with his catcher and pitching coach mid-game.

by waw on Nov 8, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

ok good point. but still language has nothing to do with talent, thats what i was commenting about

by jetanumba2 on Nov 8, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry

I’m fully confident that Russ will be on top of things and learn Japanese this offseason if they sign him. He can’t have a “language barrier” hamper his game calling ability in any way.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 8, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, and the Mariners used to call Ichiro Ichiballs.

Didn’t the Yankees give Matsui a plastic ring for his World Series ring at first?

The language barrier is whatever as long as you can play. Many of the Dominican guys only speak spanish.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Nov 8, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he didn't feel confident in his English, but it was better than he gave himself credit for

I say this based on my own experience with coworkers from other countries. They speak English way better than I speak any of their languages, of course. But more than once they’ve told me the problem is they aren’t comfortable with the language, especially when it is spoken fast.

New York English, I can tell you from personal experience, is way faster than North Carolina or Midwestern English. So imagine how hard it must be for a guy who learned it as a second language?

Just a random digression…

by waw on Nov 8, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

New York English, I can tell you from personal experience, is way faster than North Carolina or Midwestern English.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 8, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, this is true

When I lived in NC, I really had to watch my language. People were shocked pretty much every time I spoke. Then, after moving back to NJ, and then to the Midwest, it was the same thing all over again. I suppose that’s what they call an opportunity for personal growth.

by waw on Nov 8, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, my teachers in Wisconsin complaned about my language back in the day

It was a tough transition. 15 years on though, I still haven’t changed.

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by JaviLouis on Nov 9, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Offer the maximum amount of money you can for Yu Darvish

that doesn’t handcuff the team’s financial flexibility. Considering we are talking about the wealthiest team in baseball they should be able to post a handsome offer.

by Now Batting on Nov 8, 2011 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

yeah offer $100M because we can!

that way we spend more money than his performance could ever be worth. You can’t just pay the best player an infinite amount of money, every player has a point where they’re not worth the investment, regardless of his talent. Pujols is great but he’s not worth a $300M contract.

by jetanumba2 on Nov 8, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Last I checked the Yankees aren't paying to win a ring in "best allocation of capital"

So the Oakland A’s might get more wins per dollar of investment, but who cares if they only win 80 games?

Again, offer however much you can without handcuffing yourself in other places.

by Now Batting on Nov 8, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s the “vs. series” that we instituted so that we have something to talk about.

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by Chris McKeown on Nov 8, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup. I’ve got two going up tomorrow because I’ve been studying hardcore for an accounting test all day.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." --Rogers Hornsby

by Chris McKeown on Nov 8, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

And the exam is at 8:15… which is just inconvenient.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." --Rogers Hornsby

by Chris McKeown on Nov 8, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Understood

Just wanted you to feel like your work is appreciated.

by waw on Nov 8, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." --Rogers Hornsby

by Chris McKeown on Nov 8, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Frankie’s post was a part of it. Tomorrow there will be a wrap up post, and then you are free of Yu Darvish talk forever!

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by Brandon C. on Nov 8, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Darvish talk should be beaten like a dead horse at this point. I think everyone knows who he is by now.

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by Chris McKeown on Nov 8, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

lol this is getting discussed too much

Just sign him and plug him in the rotation. I have nothing more to say.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 8, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

Or, sign him (to a reasonable deal), and start him off in AAA to get used to pitching every 5th day.

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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 8, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

To teh pen and Yu-D rules forever.

by Scooby Snacks on Nov 8, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, I'd actually be OK with this

He’d still be in the organization long-term and he’d be ready to make a difference in 2012 hopefully within a couple of months. So if they wanted to get him used to pitching every fifth day in the minor leagues, I certainly won’t complain.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 8, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That also gets him accustomed to American culture, new throwing programs, etc. without being under the spot light of New York right away.

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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 8, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

hey frankie congrats on the blog

i have question, me being a duke fan. do you know of any duke blogs that are good, meaning active like this one. thanks

Where is the meatloaf?

by Habana on Nov 9, 2011 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t, actually. There isn’t an SB Nation Duke blog that I’m aware of.

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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 9, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

No Brainer to me...

1) Posting does not count against the luxury tax
2) No draft picks are required to be given up to sign him
3) Has the ability to correct his own pitching mechanics.

“What’s impressive about Darvish is that he can correct his mechanical flaws on his own like CC. He knows his mistakes." ”http://tinyurl.com/77hn6v5" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/77hn6v5

4) Has a career 2.3BB/9, posted a WHIP of .89, 1.00 and .82 the last three years to go along with the sub 2.00 ERA since 2007.

With all this good stuff compared to the other Japanese imports, I think you’d be stupid not to at least take a shot. If you can’t negotiate a contract, the guy goes back to Japan and the posting fee is returned.

I think you start him at AAA and call him up after a few games. Minus the posting fee, his contract should not that bad and should be worth jumping at since his ceiling is so high. I think at the very least you have a pretty good #3 or #4 guy – who could be a #2 or #3 on other clubs – for a long time. I think all this lack of attention from the Yankees front office is to keep the posting fee down. I only see the Nationals and the Rangers and possible competition for his services.

Another Great Article
http://tinyurl.com/7cjmapy

by RuBiCaNT on Nov 8, 2011 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

Is it true that they use a smaller ball over there?

I’m pretty sure I read that somewhere.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 8, 2011 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

they've changed to a MLB-comparable ball...

and darvish had his best season yet (1.44 ERA included?)… yes, the ball was different before…

by sing_or_die_1818 on Nov 8, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

"MLB-comparable"

As in identical sizes?

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 8, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure they changed it to the same ball this year

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 8, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 8, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Japanese balls are vital to my evaluation of Yu.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 8, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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