Why The New York Yankees Offseason Is Off To A Great Start
by Brandon C. on Nov 23, 2011 9:30 AM EST
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PrintWhile the Yankees are letting other teams set the market, the offseason is still off to a great start.
First, the Texas Rangers moved Neftali Feliz to the rotation and signed Joe Nathan, diminishing their chances of bringing back C.J. Wilson. By doing so, the moves also increase the chances that the Boston Red Sox, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, or the Yankees themselves sign the free agent left handed starter.
The Yankees seem reluctant to get involved in the Wilson sweepstakes, and the Red Sox are busy worrying about other things. The Angels, however, have expressed a lot of interest, which is great news for Yankees fans. If Wilson signs with the Angels, the Angels may not pick up their options on Ervin Santana and/orDan Haren next season. Both pitchers interest me as future Yankees signings.
Back to the Boston Red Sox. The Red Sox are interested in Francisco Cordero as a reliever, and possibly Bobby Valentine for manager. The Red Sox tried multiple times to convince the Toronto Blue Jays to let them steal Manager John Farrell away, but the Blue Jays requested Clay Buchholz in return.
There have been rumors (which are not believed to be true) about owner/GM disagreements on managers, and top candidates Mike Maddux (family reasons) and Dale Sveum (hired as Cubs manage by former Red Sox GM Theo Epstein) dropped out of the race.
That left the Red Sox with Bobby Valentine, Gene Lamont, and Torey Lovullo, three different personalities. Do the Red Sox even know what they want?
All of this news seems to be in favor of the Yankees, who despite having made little to no moves this offseason, seem like they are one of the teams being benefited the most this off-season.
Here's to hoping the Yankees don't sign Wilson, and the Red Sox do hire Valentine!
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I’ll be one happy puppy if we don’t sign any pitchers at all.
Romine!
by david d on Nov 23, 2011 9:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
this seems extremely strange
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Nov 23, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d like to see the youngsters vie for a spot. CC, AJ, Nova, Hughes, and one of Warren, Noesi, or Phelps vying for the 5th spot. I guess it would be considered a signing, but I would bring Garcia back, too.
Romine!
and if both AJ and Hughes both perform horribly?
I just think there is far too much uncertainty going into 2012 if no one is signed.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Nov 23, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you honestly think there's a better chance of that happening based on what we've
seen out of them? I’m optimistic and obviously hope they both win 30 games, but I’m also thinking in terms of past results and don’t feel it would be a smart idea to walk into next season with that many question marks.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Nov 23, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
AJ’s gonna start, no matter how he performs (Well, unless he’s Vazquez bad from the get-go) I actually think Hughes ultimately ends up in the pen. The “ifs” are why I’d bring Garcia back, but I think we’ll be okay.
Romine!
oh, I know he's going to start I'm just saying to bring someone else in whose
likelyhood of success would be greater than Garcia. I just hate depending on someone surprising me
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Nov 23, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
so wait
lineup of cc, nova, aj (putrid or not), garcia and… ? you just said hughes is in the pen.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 23, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I have complete confidence in AJ (not so much in Hughes though), but there’s still no pretending that both those guys aren’t question marks. Even Nova is a question mark to an extent, seeing as he’s still young and only has one good season under his belt.
I want this team to win, and while it’s possible to do it with the young pitchers I think I’d rather go after another top-line arm due to the question marks currently in the rotation.
However, there are some positives for the kids pitching- at least they’re getting a chance to show what they could do. I can say this. I’d much rather give the kids a shot rather than bring Garcia back. I don’t expect Garcia to repeat 2011, and he isn’t a top flight arm, and he’d be holding the young kids back. If there’s one thing I’m completely against, it’s bringing back Freddy Garcia.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
I doubt Freddy will pitch to the line he did this year
12-8 with a 3.62ERA and 1.343 WHIP. But if he can even pitch to his career avg. of 15-10, 4.09ERA and 1.302 WHIP he’d be valuable as a #5. Hell, I’d love to have those numbers from AJ!!!
Not really accurate to use a career avg...
Which includes when he was in his 20’s and a front-end starter. If healthy you can probably expect a season similar to what he did for the White Sox in 2010, which isn’t bad for a 5th starter, but why not shoot for something better before settling?
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 24, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
That would be convenient
If Hughes pitches like 2010 and AJ pitches like non-August 2011 (both of which is certainly possible), then this team is already in great shape rotation wise. At this point they’re still question marks though, and shoring up the rotation wouldn’t be such a bad thing.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
What if Hughes pitches like he did after May 2010?
He wasn’t good in 2010. He just had a great month to start his season from the middle of April to the middle of May (6 whole starts), and then fell apart into the pitcher he’s been the entire rest of his starting career.
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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Nov 23, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
no reason to sign someone just to sign someone
especially since everyone would command expensive multi year deals that we can’t really afford and since we have the resources to avoid that problem then we should use them.
by jetanumba2 on Nov 23, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand the idea of not getting into a bad contract but...
We need starting pitching. There is no logical reason to expect Freddy Garcia to repeat the success he had last year. Neither Phelps nor Warren did anything in AAA to make me excited about placing either in the rotation. Banuelos and Betances aren’t ready. We need help in this area.
I refuse to believe that there is no smart move to be made for a starting pitcher in the entirety of major league baseball, whether its by free agency or trade or international posting. The goal is not to make a bad move that will hurt for years, but also not to settle for mediocrity. It’s not always easy but it can be done.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 23, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I know people say Banuelos is not ready, but I’d have him on the roster getting some starts and pitching in long relief, getting in his innings. And if he’s successful when he does start, let him build up his innings doing so.
Romine!
he doesn't even have a full season of AAA under his belt
Much better to let him marinate in the minors for a year and maybe give him a September call up for a start or 2 (assuming we’ve clinched everything we’re going to clinch)
Not really
Lots of pitchers are weaned this way. I don’t want him to be a reliever. I said give him starts. Not 2 out relief stints.
Romine!
So turn him into Noesi?
he needs innings and he needs to diminish his walks. He doesn’t make it out of the 6th inning EVER.
Noesi
Give him time. 2011 was weaning season. If given some starts next season, he’ll improve.
Romine!
he needs to be stretched out
I know you think you can just throw in any guy no matter how many miles on his arm and expect him to succeed, but you need to prepare someone to start. Large inning jumps are what lead to fatigue and ineffectiveness and maybe even injury. Noesi spent his year in the bullpen and could only give them like 3 innings when he started. Is that what you want for Betances/Banuelos? being in the MLB Pen doesn’t ready you to be an MLB starter.
No, you'd be signing someone to have some more security in the rotation
Not everyone out there is going to command a 5 year deal.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Nov 23, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Be careful of what you wish for- you may get it.
At the right price, Buehrle, Wilson, or even Haren. As the Bostons discovered last year, you can’t get through the season with just six pitchers.
by designatedquitter on Nov 23, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions
No way do the Angels not pick up the options on Haren or Santana, barring injury.
Teams love options, specially on good players. Unless they work out a long-term deal with them, that isn’t happening, Brandon. Much as I would love to see Haren in pinstripes, it’s not happening in 2013.
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by Hasan Paliwala on Nov 23, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions
We had our shot at Haren
In 2010 when Arizona dealt him. For reasons unbeknownst to me, the Yankees didn’t make much of a push for him. I don’t expect to get another shot while he’s still in his prime.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 23, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't they want a deal centered around Joba?
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
Yep
Though if they’d made the “Joba to the bullpen is permanent” decision by the time that trade could have been made I don’t understand why it wasn’t done. Even if he didn’t get hurt. A package centered around your teams sixth inning guy in return for a relatively young ace?
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
We made a big push for Haren, but ARI like LAA offer better.
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by Brandon C. on Nov 23, 2011 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can they afford Wilson+Weaver+Haren+Santana?
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by Brandon C. on Nov 23, 2011 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Remember, no more Reagins
So if they can’t afford them, they’ll probably pick up the option and trade them for prospects. No reason to get nothing out of the option.
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by Hasan Paliwala on Nov 23, 2011 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here's hoping the Red Sox sign Valentine and....
Brendon, I couldn’t agree more with your very last sentence and I quote “Here’s to hoping the Yankees don’t sign Wilson, and the Red Sox do hire Valentine!”.
by NY Baseball Fan on Nov 23, 2011 11:32 AM EST reply actions
Brandon not Brendon!
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by Brandon C. on Nov 23, 2011 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who's Brandon?
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
I think we should change your name to Brendans
all Brendans hate being called Brandon and all Brandons hate being called Brendon. Isn’t that right Brendon?
Apologies
My apologies Brandon “not” Brendon.
by NY Baseball Fan on Nov 23, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
careful what you wish for
starting pitching depth is thinner than a puddle at the moment. I’m not saying we have to oversell the farm for CJ, but I’d very much like to see Darvish if he gets posted and/or someone else new on a 2-3 year deal so that the youngsters can fully mature in the minors before getting rushed.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 23, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions
and there it is
Grady Sizemore will remain with the Indians in 2012, announced the team today. Sizemore receives a $5MM base salary and $4MM in incentives on a one-year deal
that deal is Grade-A for Grady
Wakka wakka.
by long time listener on Nov 23, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
"Here's to hoping the Yankees don't sign Wilson"??
I don’t want the Yankees getting committed into a huge contract for Wilson but does anyone really question that he’d upgrade the rotation heading into 2012?
I think it's the first thing Brendyn is worried about
And that outweighs (to many people) the second thing.
by long time listener on Nov 23, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not in 2012
I’m concerned more beyond that. I’d have no issue giving him a one year deal. The years, in this case, bothers me more than the money does.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
The new CBA greatly benefits the Yankees
It is actually terrible news for the small markets.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/did-a-steinbrenner-write-the-new-cba/
DWTDD
Dave Cameron is an idiot.
How does preventing large market teams like the Yankees from spending overslot in late rounds benefit them? How does giving them the least amount of money to spend in the IFA market benefit them? I’m not saying this is a victory for small market teams, because it sucks for them too, but it’s not a huge victory for the Yankees like some hack writer like Cameron likes to believe.
I don't think that's his point
More that small markets basically had a chance to remain competitive through the draft and international scouting and now that playing field has been leveled.
As for the draft, shouldn’t the worst teams be given the best picks?
DWTDD
it's definitely harmful to small market teams
but I don’t think it benefits the Yankees necessarily. Everyone across the board is screwed over by this, it just happens to not hurt the teams with more money. It might, however, increase the necessity to sign big contract free agents to incredibly stupid contracts because teams will have less in-house alternatives. In that instance it hurts the Yankees because the team really needs to back away from overly expensive targets and start concentrating on the draft and international free agents. This pretty much shot that dream down for them just as much as it did for weak market teams (and the Yankees won’t even get the ‘bottom market bonus draft’).
In conclusion, it sucks for everyone in different ways
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by Hasan Paliwala on Nov 23, 2011 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I left a comment on his article that disagreed with him, too.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 23, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I've only read a couple of things from Cameron
…and he comes off as a vindictive little pissant. I refuse to waste any more of my time or grey matter reading his drivel.
by nj23nut on Nov 23, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean the team that takes the Garrett Coles and Stephen Strasburgs of the world pay more to sign them than the Yankees taking Cito Culver and Dante Bichette Jr.? It’s not at all surprising that the Yankees aren’t at the top of draft spending when they very often a) give up their draft picks by signing free agents and b) are often one of the last teams to pick.
That doesn’t mean that they don’t pay over their draft slot, which there is now a huge penalty for. They do it all the time. They gave Mason Williams a $1.45MM bonus to sign and he was a 4th round pick.
But, since there was any kind of rule change, the Dave Camerons of the world can spin this into the Yankees pushing around the league. It is a weak, uninformed, simplistic argument that completely glosses over or misses how the system has actually been working.
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by sing_or_die_1818 on Nov 24, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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