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A Yankees-Braves Trade is Highly Unlikely

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I recently reached out to Tony Almeyda of Talking Chop to discuss Eduardo Nunez and Jair Jurrjens. Of course, during our little back-and-forth, there was plenty of Nunez to the Braves discussion here and all over the web.

Because of that, I'm not going to go into as much detail as I originally planned, but I would like to share with you some of what we discussed.

When I asked about Jurrjens, Tony gave me an honest response:

"Jurrjens tends to give up a few hits and thus has a lot of baserunners, but when he's on, he's a ground ball pitcher. He's had to deal with some leg problems the last two years, most often knee injuries but has also battled hamstring issues, perhaps the primary cause of his drop in fastball velocity. Jurrjens can be a respectable middle-of-the-rotation starter when healthy, but that health is a major concern. He can be good for about 12 - 13 wins. If he throws 200 innings in 2012, I'd be a little surprised; he did it in 2009, but with his recent knee problems, I don't expect it next year."

It doesn't make too much sense for the Yankees to give up a lot of talent for a middle-of-the-rotation starter with velocity issues and leg problems. However, even disregarding that aspect, there is still another major reason why a trade between the two teams is unlikely.

Their systems don't match up well.

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The Yankees' greatest strength is their pitching and catching depth. The Braves? They are loaded with starting pitching, including young starters Tommy Hanson, Brandon Beachy, Mike Minor, top prospect Julio Teheran, and B+ prospects Arodys Vizcaino and Randall Delgado. This list is also ignoring Tim Hudson, who is still under contract, and the aforementioned Jurrjens.

Simply put, the Braves don't need pitching, and the Yankees can't really offer an upgrade for the Braves in their pitching department without offering Ivan Nova or top prospect Manny Banuelos

Additionally, it is clear that Eduardo Nunez is not a long-term answer at shortstop for a contending team. His defense is suspect to say the least, and as Chris pointed out this morning, he has a career .318 OBP and a .369 SLG over nearly 3,000 minor league plate appearances. That type of offense hardly plays at shortstop, let alone a corner outfield position if he were to be moved off short.

Add in that the Braves have two shortstops in their top 10 prospects, with one of them in their top 5, and this is starting to seem like a pipe dream.

Finally, the Yankees' minor league catching depth has thinned out with the graduation of Jesus Montero, and the Braves don't have a need at catcher. Brian McCann isn't going anywhere, and with Freddie Freeman now entrenched at first base, there's no where for McCann to move.

The only reason the Braves would trade for a catcher is for him to be a back-up, and no team in their right mind would trade a quality middle-of-the-rotation starter for a fringe shortstop and a back-up catcher (I'm talking about you, Austin Romine).

If the Yankees were to add anyone who plays a position other than pitcher or catcher into this deal, they would be dealing from a position of weakness, and thus further weakening their minor league depth at that already weak position.

Of course, anything could happen, but after thinking about it further, and discussing it with Tony, it just doesn't add up.

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Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 22, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He may not be even worth his salary in 2013

and will be making between $7m-8m after arbitration. For a league average pitcher and the Yankees vying for contention, I’m not so sure that’s even worth surrendering an upper tier prospect for since that will be the Braves’ asking price. Nunez alone isn’t going make this trade happen.

by Scooby Snacks on Nov 22, 2011 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

Nunez alone not getting it done has been reported a ton of times, so I didn’t feel the need to say it again here. But yeah, he’s clearly not enough.

$7-$8M is only about a 2 WAR player. He’d have to be A.J. bad to not be worth his arbitration salary.

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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 22, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

And really, $7-$8M is less than a 2 WAR player.

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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 22, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

…which is exactly what Jurrjens has been for the past two seasons. I don’t think he’s going to get any better in the AL. The Yankees should reserve the rotation spot for someone else with a higher ceiling.

by Scooby Snacks on Nov 22, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on what WAR you use. bWAR is more results based and has him at 3.8 WAR last year, and a 5.3 in 2009. Fangraphs doesn’t like him as much.

I agree that they should reserve the spot for someone with a higher ceiling, but there’s no guarantee that someone with a higher ceiling that fits their prince range will come along.

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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 22, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

DKnobler DKnobler
“Participation in the All-Star Game will be required unless the player is unable to play due to injury or excused by commissioner.”

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 22, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

excused by the commissioner?

they need a note from their mommies now?

by jetanumba2 on Nov 22, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow...

Does this include pitchers who recently made starts and would be going into the All-Star game on short rest?

I don’t like Bud Selig. At all. His one good idea just got replaced by a terrible one, and I can’t think of one other thing he has done other than the original wild card that has actually been good for baseball.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 22, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it.

I think it’s more like the Jeter thing from this year. You can’t just decide to not play. The pitchers pitching right before the All Star Game aren’t actively deciding not to participate.

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 22, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Read that as “executed”

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by Brandon C. on Nov 22, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Knob

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 22, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Nunez blows

He’s nothing more than a backup infielder and pinch runner, and even his backup infielder shouldn’t be that high due to his atrocious defense. Why would the Braves consider, even for a second, to trade a young starter who was just an All-Star for a package centered around Nunez? So I agree with you completely. I’d absolutely love to trade for Jurrjens if Nunez is the center of that package, but it isn’t going to happen.

Funny you mention Vizcaino- I kind of miss him after knowing what the Yankees ended up getting in return. A LOOGY, and another awful season of Javy Vazquez.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 22, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Random gif of the day


I know this guy is an unfortunate representation of Yankees fans but this shop is just amazing.

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

Posting pictures

by Andrew GM on Nov 22, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

this guy is awesome

and so is the gif

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Nov 22, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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