New York Yankees News: Jair Jurrjens On The Radar
by Travis G on Nov 21, 2011 6:01 AM EST
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PrintWhat would you give up for Atlanta's Jair Jurrjens? Start with Eduardo Nunez and go from there.
- Recapping the new CBA: the ML minimum was raised to $480K, a 16% increase from 2011; there will be blood-testing for HGH starting in Spring Training (the first violation draws a 50-game suspension); unfortunately, there will be no "salary floor" that forces clubs to maintain a payroll above a certain level; changes to free agent compensation, as well as draft-pick/IFA slotting, Houston to the AL, more interleague play, more Wild Cards teams and more arbitration-eligible players.
- There's a growing feeling that Yu Darvish will not end up being posted. For that and more, check out a great Atlantic article.
- Nick Swisher sings for charity.
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- The latest on Cuban defector Yoenis Cespedes.
- A lot of changes are on the way for the normally-Scranton(-but-won't-play-there-in-2012-because-their-stadium-is-being-renovated-and-the-Mets-wouldn't-let-them-play-in-Newark) Yankees.
Look for my article on which phenom I'd choose to start a franchise with at 11 a.m.
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The lack of a salary floor is a good thing...
because the next shoe to drop is a salary cap. Instead of forcing teams to spend on mid-level free agents, baseball should be encouraging them to spend in areas of player development, but the new draft slots and international free agent caps seem to contradict that.
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by William Juliano on Nov 21, 2011 6:53 AM EST reply actions
actually they can't afford really afford swisher's $10MM
at least that’s what i’ve read on mlbtr
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Is Atlanta actively shopping Jurrjens or is this just speculation?
Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."
Actively shopping Jurrjens and Martin Prado. Have been for awhile.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Nov 21, 2011 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather sign Edwin Jackson and not trade anyone.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Thanks. I probably knew that once. New info pushes out old info...
Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."
Too bad new pushes out old, instead of good pushing out bad
At least, that’s the way my brain seems to work, some times.
yikes
Just read that Greg Halman, an outfielder for the Mariners, was stabbed to death by his brother in the Netherlands.
by long time listener on Nov 21, 2011 8:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
No way
That’s terrible.
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by Hasan Paliwala on Nov 21, 2011 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why do the Yankees want to take on yet ANOTHER Braves pitcher who'll crack in the AL East?
The track record isn’t good.
cuz that means something
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Jeduardo Jnunez and either Jphelps or Jwarren, or maybe even Jbetances.
Jthat’s what I think.
If Darvish stays in Japan, whichever team would have signed him has just saved itself a lot of grief two or three years down the road.
by designatedquitter on Nov 21, 2011 9:28 AM EST reply actions
Hell No to Jurrjens
I am all for picking up good young pitching but Jurrjens isn’t our guy. He’s already been hurt the past 2 seasons which is not a good track record. His K/9 is below league average even in the NL where pitchers are hitting and these factors tell me he will struggle in the AL East.
I do not think Nunez is our SS of the future. Maybe 3B or OF but his defense is lacking right now. I love his bat, which means he will play somewhere but I don’t see the discipline in him to work hard enough to correct his defensive lapses to be a good SS.
Prado is not the guy I want either. The guy is overrated. His defense has slipped as well as his offense.
The Braves sure are trying to rape some team with these guys, I sure hope Cashman is smart enough not to go for it.
Stupid SHOULD hurt!!
Jair Jurrjens sucks
But teh ERA..herp derp…low ground ball rates, shitty k/9 with a 2 MPH velocity drop last year. At least Javy was coming off a year where his performance matched his peripherals…Jurrjens just had some nice luck to make his ERA shiny.
after i look into most pitchers numbers i almost always find myself dissapointed
there are very few pitchers in question that I think fit on this team… CJ Wilson is pretty good… but I don’t want him at the price he’s going to get, I see him long term as a #3 type guy (better for 1-2 years but he’ll settle back to that range). Burhle is fine, but not really the quality guy we need. Darvish could be great, but he could be awful, its a lot of money to risk, but I probably like him the best of all these options.
jurjens seems like Matt Cain, a guy who get a lot of fly balls hit weakly… maybe he just induces poor contact… there are guys like that, but in Yankee stadium its really risky to bring in a guy like that.
I find myself not liking any pitcher that isnt in the elite tier, and they’re just not available… maybe we should just take a shot on Darvish since half the money goes to Japan rather than our payroll long term.
on a side note: I like prado… he’s not any better for us than Swisher, but I’d easily take him over Nunez (or pena obv)… he’s more versatile, and i think would fit in well on this team since we dont need the power bat. I could see doing some deal that involves swisher somewhere and then signing a guy like Cuddyer or Sizemore. That being said, I love swisher and would hate to see him go.
We have got stop this way of thinking. I constantly read statements like yours, being afraid to sign a guy “because he doesn’t fit”. Nonsense. Also, the sabermetrics guys who find any old stat they can find and say a guy sucks. A guy’s ERA is under three, but “his fly ball rate is too high; he sucks”. Stupid. With this way of thinking, we’d never sign anyone and every pitcher not named Halladay sucks. I’ve got some news for ya, CC’s no Halladay and he’s worked out fine. Everyone had no confidence in Nova last season (except for me) and he worked out pretty well.
Romine!
I agree. The smart thing to do is to gloss over his injury history, 4.64 ERA in 2010, loss of velocity on his fastball, and peripherals screaming regression. I mean, he had a shiny ERA this year and that never belies how a pitcher actually performed. Why investigate his play further or have any thoughts of your own when you can just look at his ERA, make sweeping generalizations and condescend?
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by Lord Duggan on Nov 22, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Not condescending
and my point wasn’t meant for Jair only. Every pitcher that is mentioned people here find some reason not to sign him, some even mentioning a pitcher’s BB/K rate even though every other peripheral was great? Silly. And yet, these same people want to sign Darvish who has never even pitched in the MLB. Now THAT’s dumb.
Romine!
No. I liked Nova from the get- go and urged patience with all of the bitchers saying he can't get through six innings.
by designatedquitter on Nov 22, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
My point is
that most people here seem to try to find some stat to discount someone as a candidate, that if a pitcher doesn’t have Halladay-like numbers “he sucks”. It’s getting ridiculous.
Romine!
Very little for Jair
Peripherals and injuries point to overvalued. Braves are trying to sell high, and I can’t blame them, but I’d rather not waste the talent on such a risky acquisition who probably can’t live up to expectations.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 21, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions
Jurrjens is eh
But if they want to do a trade centered around Nunez and Romine, I might pull the trigger. He’d be under team control for the next two years, and he could get better under a good tutor like Larry Rothschild.
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"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
they have mccann
i doubt they’d want romine.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
True.
Centered around Nunez and some other non-Banuelos/Betances/Montero prospect then.
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Now how is that fair? When Jurrjens reads childrens books, do you think he says “I don’t want one written by a man named David?”
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I need to send it to you. Let me know when you feel like spending 20 minutes reading it and I’ll send it along. And then give me an honest critique.
Romine!
My mother taught kindergarten, I can send it along to her as well if you would like. I should be free to read any time between Wednesday and Sunday!
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