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Examining the New York Yankees Off-Season Pitching Transaction Possibilities

When I read this,

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Yankees GM Brian Cashman operating w/patience and allowing market to breathe but is intent on getting Wilson or Oswalt

and this,

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No matter what Yankees say publicly, NYY people telling friends to expect eventual big splash with a pitcher
It becomes harder to ignore the possibility that the Yankees will simply not end this off-season without a big pitcher. In December of 2009 the Yankees made a deal for Javier Vazquez, surprising fans across the nation. The deal did not end up working out, but the deal was certainly a splash.

This year, the Yankees find themselves with only two definite starters in CC Sabathia and Ivan Nova, one extremely probable if not definite starter in A.J. Burnett, and two open spots. The candidates for the two open spots include Phil Hughes, Hector Noesi, David Phelps, Adam Warren, and possibly others.

Outside of the team, however, there are more options. Could one of those options be the big splash of the 2011 off-season?

Star-divide

Assuming the Yankees only sign one starter, not including the possibility of a Freddy Garcia signing, or a Bartolo Colon-like signing, here are the options:


Option #1- Sign C.J. Wilson-

Wilson has received interest from the Washington Nationals, Texas Rangers, Miami Marlins, and others. The main suitor is the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, a team that does not even necessarily need pitching.

Personally, I am not willing to give Wilson more than four years $60 million, but Wilson could make up to 5 years $100 million on the open market. This is one option I really hope the Yankees do not think too much of.

Option #2- Sign Yu Darvish-

This seems like the best option to many, but there are major questions surrounding a possible deal. First of all, Darvish has not been posted yet. Secondly, the Yankees could be out-bid by another team and not have the opportunity to sign him. Finally, the Yankees do not know of his MLB capabilities.

I have some interest in this option, but do not feel it is a "must do" option.

Option #3- Sign Roy Oswalt, Mark Buehrle, or Edwin Jackson-

In Jim Bowden's tweet, he mentioned Oswalt as one of the Yankees main options. Edwin Jackson, somewhat of a journeyman in his career, is still young and has a lot of potential. I would not be surprised to see either of the two sign with the Yankees, but I would not give either a big deal.

Mark Buehrle is one player that the Yankees may, and should have interest in. The best possible move the Yankees can make this off-season in my opinion is signing Mark Buehrle to a two year deal, inserting him into the rotation, not spending too much money, and leaving the option of signing a pitcher in 2013 open. The major roadblock is if Buehrle has interest pitching in New York, which it does not seem like he does.

Option #4- Trade for an Oakland Athletics Pitcher-

There is no knowing if the A's are really going to be interested in trading one of Gio Gonzalez or Trevor Cahill, but it would not shock me if the Yankees try hard to get one of the two.

I imagine the package to get one of the two would include Jesus Montero, and if not both killer B's would need to be involved. Due to the large number of walks both pitchers throw, I am not too interested in this option.

Option #5- Trade for Carlos Zambrano-

If this is what happens, ~99% of Yankees fans, including myself, will be shocked and upset by the move. Zambrano has one year left on his contract, but is widely known as a clubhouse killer and hothead. The Yankees could get Zambrano for a relatively small amount, but it still does not seem worth it, nor likely.

Option #6- A Move Out of the Blue-

Simply, none of the five options previously listed. If I wrote this same list in 2010, I would not have included a trade for Javier Vazquez. No one other than Brian Cashman truly knows who is available, or who the Yankees are interested in. Perhaps Cashman has a big move up his sleeve.

Will the Yankees end up making a big move? Thoughts?
Poll
Which do you think (not want, think) will happen?
Option 1- Yankees sign C.J. Wilson
205 votes
Option 2- Yankees sign Yu Darvish
265 votes
Option 3- Yankees sign Roy Oswalt, Edwin Jackson, or Mark Buehrle
661 votes
Option 4- Yankees trade for an Oakland A's pitcher
75 votes
Option 5- Yankees trade for Carlos Zambrano
18 votes
Option 6- Yankees make a trade out of the blue
238 votes
None of the above
146 votes

1608 votes | Poll has closed

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The Yankees signed lefty reliever Mike O’Connor, tweets SI’s Jon Heyman. The 31-year-old appeared briefly in the Majors for the Mets this year, also posting a 5.22 ERA, 9.8 K/9, 2.8 BB/9, and 1.0 HR/9 in 60 1/3 Triple-A innings.

by jetanumba2 on Nov 16, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Boone > This guy

Boone had the second highest k/9 on the team behind robertson, and was really unlucky with a team high .331 BABIP (tied with Noesi).

Boone Logan signed a baseball for me. David Robertson signed a glossy photo for me.

by goyanks69 on Nov 16, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Boone's not bad

Certainly not in the upper end of the bullpen but I don’t mind him returning next year.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 16, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Phillies recently signed Raul Valdes

O’Connor seems to bring the same value. I expect we’ll see him in September and there will be rumblings that he might make the postseason roster because he throws left-handed. He won’t make it.

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by bluecheese999 on Nov 16, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

what about trading for one of Floyd/Danks?

We could also look into another reclamation project, or, dare I say, get no one.

by jetanumba2 on Nov 16, 2011 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

I like having a rotation

With more than two for-sure good pitchers in it.

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by ntrokel on Nov 16, 2011 10:31 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

and I like a farm system with talented young people in it

and a rotation not filed with over paid over hyped players that will be around for too long

by jetanumba2 on Nov 16, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Danks is a great option if they really are open to trading him, and I bet that’s what will happen.

by Skinnyslim on Nov 16, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I commend Barndon and the entire staff for filling invaluable space day after day in the face of the complete absence of anything actually happening.

I voted for ‘something out of the blue,’ even though I don’t know where the blue is.

Like Barndon, I expect some kind of deal, but not a blockbuster. Now that Papelbonehead is a Phillie, I would expect the Junior Empire to spend what would have been his salary on a starter, so they should also be in the conversation for who is interested in free agents. My thinking has evolved towards getting Buehrle for two main reasons:

1) He is a near lock to be a reliable #3 pitcher
2) He works so fast that Sterling will have much less time between pitches to run his mouth.

by designatedquitter on Nov 16, 2011 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

#3?

He’d most likely be slotted in as the #2 behind CC, although after the first week of the season the order of the rotation really doesn’t mean much. I can see Buehrle only as the #3 if Joe wants to go L-R-L-R with the rotation. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cashman signed both Oswalt and Buehrle to 2 or 3 year deals.

by nj23nut on Nov 16, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Two Definite Starters?!

No. The Yankees have 4 definite starters. CC, Ivan, AJ, Phil. As much as we want to bitch about 1/2 of them, this is our starting rotation. This is not 2008.

by mrob on Nov 16, 2011 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

You think A.J. and Phil proved last season that they are worthy of definite rotation spots? A.J. will get one because he’s A.J., but as much as I hate to say it, Hughes does not deserve a definite spot.

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by Brandon C. on Nov 16, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I want to see Phil succeed, but not if it hurts the team

I’m hoping that they will give him at least until the ASB to prove himself. If he does, well and good; if not, have a few Plan B’s marinating at AAA to take his place, and put him in the bullpen. Beyond that, I think the team could cobble a fifth starter together from one of Noesi, Phelps, Warren, or the like. If so, that would make 3/5 of our starting rotation guys who came through our farm system.

by pastor2b on Nov 16, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to have a lot of hope for Phil, just because (if he’s not injured) I can’t believe how bad he was at the start of 2011.

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by jscape2000 on Nov 16, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Cashmoney knows what he's doing
#yankees believe prices way too high on cj wilson and e-jax thus far. plan to wait them out.

by jetanumba2 on Nov 16, 2011 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

jackson

Is there a reason no one is pointing toward EJAx as an option? Is it just price? If i recall correctly he pitched well last year in teh AL and has some playoff experience. That would be just the type of move Cashman is good at making because its not the first option people are talking about.

by JerseyGuy77 on Nov 16, 2011 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

King Felix

I still believe the Yankees can pry him away with Montero & one of the killer B’s!! Cashman pull one of your Jedi mind tricks & get King Felix!!!!!!

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by SSFDballer on Nov 16, 2011 1:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Except not...ever.

They would hang up the phone in a cocaine heartbeat.

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 16, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

unless its the Phillies calling

then Shane Victorino and Vance Worley would do it.

by jetanumba2 on Nov 16, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you do that?

Seattle is not a poor team at all, he’s signed through 2014, their division is winnable, they’re rumored to be interested in Prince Fielder…Why would they make that trade? Seattle is not about “rebuilding”. In fact, I bet they make the playoffs at least once in the next three years.

by Skinnyslim on Nov 16, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

3 starters for 1 they might

So we’ll have to throw in another everyday starter! They would have a good bat (Montero) top pitching prospect & another everyday guy(like Gardner or Nunez) then we could fill their spot in with free agency

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by SSFDballer on Nov 16, 2011 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lol no

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Nov 16, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Or effff It

Both Killer B’s & Montero!!! King Felix in pin stripes would get the stadium full every day

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by SSFDballer on Nov 16, 2011 5:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You don't understand how good Felix is

You’d be looking at Montero, at least one of the Killer Bs, Cano, Gardner/Swisher and possibly a couple mid level guys (Romine?) as well.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 16, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

& U guys don't understand how good Montero is

Dude will be a 300 hitter 25hr 100rbi every year

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by SSFDballer on Nov 16, 2011 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Rephrase: You don’t understand what Felix’s value is

The Mariners wanted Montero, Nunez and prospects for a 31-year-old in the last year of his contract. It would take much, MUCH more than Montero and two pitchers who are at least a year away from the majors to pry Felix away when he’s under contract until 2014.

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Nov 16, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly. if felix was on the yankees, would you trade him for a top 5 hitting prospect and two top 25 pitching prospects (i’m being nice here)? no, you wouldn’t, so why would seattle? the only reason would be if his contract was up and they were poor and neither is the case. maybe in two years.

by Skinnyslim on Nov 16, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody is saying he isn't good

But a current star pitcher under a team friendly contract is WAY more valuable to teams than a young hitter who hasn’t established himself yet. Especially since people think he doesn’t have a position.

I expect Montero to become good. But it’s going to take far more than just him and a few other guys for Felix. That conversation will start with Cano, and add from it extensively if they want to get anywhere. Felix is a guy that team wants to build around. Not trade away.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 16, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright

We’ll throw in 3 suitcases Full Of Cash!!!

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by SSFDballer on Nov 17, 2011 8:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

How bout Verlander or Clayton Kershaw

If we’re going to bring up starters who aren’t available and won’t be for a while

by lololol on Nov 17, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

never mind felix

lets be realistic here. felix to yankees, or anyone for that reason, is going to happen. i dont know how sanchez got traded by giants, & we didnt know about it. if wandy’s still a possibility, go get him. even if it costs gardner. i have my own thoughts about that, but this section is about pitching. find where everyday players blogs are at, you’lll get my thoughts on what to do with team we put on field every day. but, go sign buerhle, & trade for a wandy or someone. leave the rest alone.

by dbo529 on Nov 25, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Just when I was wondering what happened to the Yanks' top prospect of 2005
Eric Duncan, drafted in the first round by the Yankees in 2003, has signed with the Royals, tweets Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus. The 26-year-old played mostly first base, second base, and left field this year for the Cardinals’ Double-A affiliate, hitting .274/.322/.527 in 385 plate appearances.

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by bluecheese999 on Nov 16, 2011 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

i thought he was out of baseball

they mentioned he was an announcer somewhere during the WS i believe

by jetanumba2 on Nov 16, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The biggest splash would be signing Darvish

Because no matter whether people view it in a positive or negative light, it’ll still be a bigger splash than Colon cannonballing into the pool.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 16, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

He's a twig

Colon has a huge advantage in this.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 16, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Also
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Prince Fielder Seeks $200MM bit.ly/svN2Xo #mlb

I’m seeking $200MM as well.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 16, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 16, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Cahill

Gio, yes, but I wouldn’t trade the Jesus for Cahill. In fact, I wouldn’t trade either of the B’s for him straight up. That guy is young and had one excellent year but he seems pretty mediocre.

by Skinnyslim on Nov 16, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

Cahill's not bad

But I agree that I wouldn’t trade Jesus for Cahill. Maybe a deal centered around Betances and Romine or something like that, but certainly not the top two prospects.

Gio is a different story. He’s really good and really young, and I’d love to have him in the rotation at the right cost.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 16, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Mark Buehrle

I think he gives you the best bang for the buck. I just think he’s waiting to see how high the price gets. If I were the Cashman I would go for Buehrle, Jackson, Paul Maholm (if healthy), along with one of the prospects, and finally look at a trade, in that order. I agree with the earlier sentiments that the rotation is pretty much locked 1-4, at least until the all-star break, as far as the NYY brass is concerned.

by Rob33.5 on Nov 16, 2011 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

Zambrano

Trade for Zambrano if Burnett goes to the Cubs plus some cash. Carlos has way more upside than AJ. A trade of headaches.

by Bob E on Nov 16, 2011 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

No

Let me think again. Ummmm… NO!

People think AJ is a headcase. What will they think of Zambrano? They’d be taking on salary too, because Zambrano makes more than Burnett does.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 16, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

imagine what the media would be talking about if we trade for Zambrano. I mean they already rip apart every little sigh AJ makes, can’t wait for them to react when Zambrano literally throws a raging hissy fit in the dugout.

by jetanumba2 on Nov 16, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll take the headache who's a good teammate

over the headache who’s selfish, picks fights with his teammates, and walks out on the team.

by waw on Nov 16, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

This!

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by tnredneckyankeesfan on Nov 16, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

totally agree!

let him go to spring training around yogi & whitey, reggie & nettles, guidry & goose, throw in bernie & oneill, & of course, jeter, arod & mo. i believe it’ll leave an impression on him that no team other than yankees can leave. & just imagine, if his heads straight, with guys playing at 100% all the time around him, & him pitching like he has. comeback player of the year? hell, he could easily win 20, & may end up in cy young voting! so, yeah, this is a gamble i’d definitely take. especially for these last 2 reasons. 1st, goodby aj! & 2nd, he’s in final year of contract. if he’s not what he was come end of may, just cut him. you wont lose much.

by dbo529 on Nov 25, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Darvish is what I hope for

And so by accident without reading the poll question thats what I voted for. But I think the most likely is signing Oswalt or making a trade for Floyd/Danks (which isn’t an option).

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 16, 2011 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

What about starting the season with a 6 man rotation

It worked fairly well last season. The BoSox are going to struggle next season and Tampa Bay is Tampa Bay so why not try it out for awhile. I would rather that then trading Montero or any of the prospects, besides it’s time to see what guys like Phelps can do.

by Rob33.5 on Nov 16, 2011 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

I want CC working on normal rest

The going every 6 days didn’t do him justice this season. They need to narrow it down to five.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 16, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

All jokes aside....

His weight probably had something to do with his struggles down the stretch. I think a five man locks us in without much flexibility too soon. A six man gives you flexibility in the rotation and the bull pen.

by Rob33.5 on Nov 16, 2011 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

He's been fat and overweight his whole career without too much of an issue

How does it start to become an issue now?

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by nyyrocks29 on Nov 16, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Age

It catches up to us all. Being 20 something and fat is easier than being 31 and fat. He is starting to have knee trouble already. If it really gets bad that will affect his pitching. Last season may be a sign of the times if he doesn’t address it now.

by Rob33.5 on Nov 16, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

no CC was dominate before the 6 man rotation and pretty crappy when he was given extra rest. Along with the fact that he went out of his way to say that he doesn’t like the 6 man rotation, I think its safe to say that it was definitely a factor.

by jetanumba2 on Nov 17, 2011 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Pitching Options

Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Yankees work a trade with the White Sox for either Danks or Floyd. Danks I suspect would be their first choice of the 2.
Also, It wouldn’t surprise me that while the Yankees have shown little interest in Oswalt that he might be Plan B on a 2 year deal if they can’t or don’t sign one of their “primary” targets.

by NY Baseball Fan on Nov 16, 2011 9:12 PM EST reply actions  

Probably people who absolutely hate AJ Burnett

And Zambrano would probably be the best bet to get AJ off the team.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Nov 16, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Zambrano for AJ

That’s like dumping Lindsay Lohan for Kim Kardashian. Not much of an upgrade there.

by Rob33.5 on Nov 16, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No Danks

I don’t think he would perform well in NY. He would automatically be #2 but I feel there are better fits if Cash decides to trade. I really hope he doesn’t unless the price is cheap.

by Rob33.5 on Nov 16, 2011 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think anyone can perform well in NY

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by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeter could have been someone if we traded him years ago

If only the Astros weren’t stupid enough not to draft the Astros. Jeter still probably thinks to himself at night “what could have been”

by jetanumba2 on Nov 17, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

How about that Rivera character? What, can’t get 700 saves?

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by Brandon C. on Nov 17, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The Astros didn’t draft the Astros?

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by Andrew GM on Nov 17, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a pretty weak class

now that we look back. But 4 other teams passed on Jeter also.

Romine!

by david d on Nov 17, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

pitching....

well, i’m still very wary of darvish. after igawa & irabu, & now with dice k, im very leery of signing japan players. maybe it is the transition from 7 to 5 days between starts. i dont know, but i can think of other ways to blow 100 mil! i do like the idea of signing buerhle. look, he’s a pro, period. he knows how to pitch. & except for 1 extremely lucky season, he hasnt pitched for very good teams in chicago. yet, he still wins. maybe not exactly pettitte, but like pettitte, mr. reliable.
   trading for danks is intriguing. not sure he has the head for ny media. but, a big, country hardballer always sounds good. & no, i dont go after the 2 a’s pitchers either. now, as far as zambrano, if it means getting rid of aj, i’m all for it. considering his talent, & hoping that, coming to spring training, being around the legends, past & present on yankees, it hopefully gets him to underrstand & get his head right. 1 thing i would like about him. let a team throw at jeter or arod with him pitching!
   of course, i’d love to hear the wandy rodriquez trade could still happen. i can see him in pinstripes for next 10 years. & he’d give us 3 top left handers, at yankee stadium as starters. i can just imagine, if the buerhle signing, zambrano & wandy deals are done, just how interesting spring training would be. if zambrano were to have head straight, he’s ideal #2 behind cc. then buerhle or wandy, whichever they prefer. 5th spot probably has to go to nova. but, i’m not counting hughes out just yet.
   so, to me, leave wilson to go to angels, especially if they’ll end up having to let haren go next year. picture him in pinstripes! let darvish go get his millions somewhere else. i’ll bet the red sox are really not all that interested right now. so, let him go to a nl team, which i suppose is what will happen with him anyway. & please, leave oswalt & jackson out of any thought.

by dbo529 on Nov 25, 2011 1:29 AM EST reply actions  

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