Examining the New York Yankees Off-Season Pitching Transaction Possibilities
When I read this,
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Yankees GM Brian Cashman operating w/patience and allowing market to breathe but is intent on getting Wilson or Oswalt
and this,
@DKnobler DKnoblerNo matter what Yankees say publicly, NYY people telling friends to expect eventual big splash with a pitcher
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Boone Logan, you're on notice.
The Yankees signed lefty reliever Mike O’Connor, tweets SI’s Jon Heyman. The 31-year-old appeared briefly in the Majors for the Mets this year, also posting a 5.22 ERA, 9.8 K/9, 2.8 BB/9, and 1.0 HR/9 in 60 1/3 Triple-A innings.
Boone > This guy
Boone had the second highest k/9 on the team behind robertson, and was really unlucky with a team high .331 BABIP (tied with Noesi).
Boone Logan signed a baseball for me. David Robertson signed a glossy photo for me.
Boone's not bad
Certainly not in the upper end of the bullpen but I don’t mind him returning next year.
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Phillies recently signed Raul Valdes
O’Connor seems to bring the same value. I expect we’ll see him in September and there will be rumblings that he might make the postseason roster because he throws left-handed. He won’t make it.
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by bluecheese999 on Nov 16, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
what about trading for one of Floyd/Danks?
We could also look into another reclamation project, or, dare I say, get no one.
I like having a rotation
With more than two for-sure good pitchers in it.
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by ntrokel on Nov 16, 2011 10:31 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
and I like a farm system with talented young people in it
and a rotation not filed with over paid over hyped players that will be around for too long
I commend Barndon and the entire staff for filling invaluable space day after day in the face of the complete absence of anything actually happening.
I voted for ‘something out of the blue,’ even though I don’t know where the blue is.
Like Barndon, I expect some kind of deal, but not a blockbuster. Now that Papelbonehead is a Phillie, I would expect the Junior Empire to spend what would have been his salary on a starter, so they should also be in the conversation for who is interested in free agents. My thinking has evolved towards getting Buehrle for two main reasons:
1) He is a near lock to be a reliable #3 pitcher
2) He works so fast that Sterling will have much less time between pitches to run his mouth.
by designatedquitter on Nov 16, 2011 10:48 AM EST reply actions
#3?
He’d most likely be slotted in as the #2 behind CC, although after the first week of the season the order of the rotation really doesn’t mean much. I can see Buehrle only as the #3 if Joe wants to go L-R-L-R with the rotation. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cashman signed both Oswalt and Buehrle to 2 or 3 year deals.
Two Definite Starters?!
No. The Yankees have 4 definite starters. CC, Ivan, AJ, Phil. As much as we want to bitch about 1/2 of them, this is our starting rotation. This is not 2008.
You think A.J. and Phil proved last season that they are worthy of definite rotation spots? A.J. will get one because he’s A.J., but as much as I hate to say it, Hughes does not deserve a definite spot.
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I want to see Phil succeed, but not if it hurts the team
I’m hoping that they will give him at least until the ASB to prove himself. If he does, well and good; if not, have a few Plan B’s marinating at AAA to take his place, and put him in the bullpen. Beyond that, I think the team could cobble a fifth starter together from one of Noesi, Phelps, Warren, or the like. If so, that would make 3/5 of our starting rotation guys who came through our farm system.
Cashmoney knows what he's doing
#yankees believe prices way too high on cj wilson and e-jax thus far. plan to wait them out.
jackson
Is there a reason no one is pointing toward EJAx as an option? Is it just price? If i recall correctly he pitched well last year in teh AL and has some playoff experience. That would be just the type of move Cashman is good at making because its not the first option people are talking about.
King Felix
I still believe the Yankees can pry him away with Montero & one of the killer B’s!! Cashman pull one of your Jedi mind tricks & get King Felix!!!!!!
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by SSFDballer on Nov 16, 2011 1:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Except not...ever.
They would hang up the phone in a cocaine heartbeat.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 16, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Would you do that?
Seattle is not a poor team at all, he’s signed through 2014, their division is winnable, they’re rumored to be interested in Prince Fielder…Why would they make that trade? Seattle is not about “rebuilding”. In fact, I bet they make the playoffs at least once in the next three years.
3 starters for 1 they might
So we’ll have to throw in another everyday starter! They would have a good bat (Montero) top pitching prospect & another everyday guy(like Gardner or Nunez) then we could fill their spot in with free agency
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by SSFDballer on Nov 16, 2011 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They would start with demanding Cano and go up from there.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 16, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
lol no
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Nov 16, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Or effff It
Both Killer B’s & Montero!!! King Felix in pin stripes would get the stadium full every day
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by SSFDballer on Nov 16, 2011 5:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That sound would be the Mariners GM continuing to laugh and hang up the phone.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 16, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
You don't understand how good Felix is
You’d be looking at Montero, at least one of the Killer Bs, Cano, Gardner/Swisher and possibly a couple mid level guys (Romine?) as well.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
& U guys don't understand how good Montero is
Dude will be a 300 hitter 25hr 100rbi every year
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by SSFDballer on Nov 16, 2011 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rephrase: You don’t understand what Felix’s value is
The Mariners wanted Montero, Nunez and prospects for a 31-year-old in the last year of his contract. It would take much, MUCH more than Montero and two pitchers who are at least a year away from the majors to pry Felix away when he’s under contract until 2014.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Nov 16, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we're the ones who don't understand...
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 16, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody is saying he isn't good
But a current star pitcher under a team friendly contract is WAY more valuable to teams than a young hitter who hasn’t established himself yet. Especially since people think he doesn’t have a position.
I expect Montero to become good. But it’s going to take far more than just him and a few other guys for Felix. That conversation will start with Cano, and add from it extensively if they want to get anywhere. Felix is a guy that team wants to build around. Not trade away.
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Alright
We’ll throw in 3 suitcases Full Of Cash!!!
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by SSFDballer on Nov 17, 2011 8:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How bout Verlander or Clayton Kershaw
If we’re going to bring up starters who aren’t available and won’t be for a while
never mind felix
lets be realistic here. felix to yankees, or anyone for that reason, is going to happen. i dont know how sanchez got traded by giants, & we didnt know about it. if wandy’s still a possibility, go get him. even if it costs gardner. i have my own thoughts about that, but this section is about pitching. find where everyday players blogs are at, you’lll get my thoughts on what to do with team we put on field every day. but, go sign buerhle, & trade for a wandy or someone. leave the rest alone.
Just when I was wondering what happened to the Yanks' top prospect of 2005
Eric Duncan, drafted in the first round by the Yankees in 2003, has signed with the Royals, tweets Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus. The 26-year-old played mostly first base, second base, and left field this year for the Cardinals’ Double-A affiliate, hitting .274/.322/.527 in 385 plate appearances.
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i thought he was out of baseball
they mentioned he was an announcer somewhere during the WS i believe
The biggest splash would be signing Darvish
Because no matter whether people view it in a positive or negative light, it’ll still be a bigger splash than Colon cannonballing into the pool.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 16, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions
He's a twig
Colon has a huge advantage in this.
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I’m seeking $200MM as well.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 16, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not Cahill
Gio, yes, but I wouldn’t trade the Jesus for Cahill. In fact, I wouldn’t trade either of the B’s for him straight up. That guy is young and had one excellent year but he seems pretty mediocre.
Cahill's not bad
But I agree that I wouldn’t trade Jesus for Cahill. Maybe a deal centered around Betances and Romine or something like that, but certainly not the top two prospects.
Gio is a different story. He’s really good and really young, and I’d love to have him in the rotation at the right cost.
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Mark Buehrle
I think he gives you the best bang for the buck. I just think he’s waiting to see how high the price gets. If I were the Cashman I would go for Buehrle, Jackson, Paul Maholm (if healthy), along with one of the prospects, and finally look at a trade, in that order. I agree with the earlier sentiments that the rotation is pretty much locked 1-4, at least until the all-star break, as far as the NYY brass is concerned.
Zambrano
Trade for Zambrano if Burnett goes to the Cubs plus some cash. Carlos has way more upside than AJ. A trade of headaches.
No
Let me think again. Ummmm… NO!
People think AJ is a headcase. What will they think of Zambrano? They’d be taking on salary too, because Zambrano makes more than Burnett does.
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I'll take the headache who's a good teammate
over the headache who’s selfish, picks fights with his teammates, and walks out on the team.
This!
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by tnredneckyankeesfan on Nov 16, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
totally agree!
let him go to spring training around yogi & whitey, reggie & nettles, guidry & goose, throw in bernie & oneill, & of course, jeter, arod & mo. i believe it’ll leave an impression on him that no team other than yankees can leave. & just imagine, if his heads straight, with guys playing at 100% all the time around him, & him pitching like he has. comeback player of the year? hell, he could easily win 20, & may end up in cy young voting! so, yeah, this is a gamble i’d definitely take. especially for these last 2 reasons. 1st, goodby aj! & 2nd, he’s in final year of contract. if he’s not what he was come end of may, just cut him. you wont lose much.
Darvish is what I hope for
And so by accident without reading the poll question thats what I voted for. But I think the most likely is signing Oswalt or making a trade for Floyd/Danks (which isn’t an option).
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
What about starting the season with a 6 man rotation
It worked fairly well last season. The BoSox are going to struggle next season and Tampa Bay is Tampa Bay so why not try it out for awhile. I would rather that then trading Montero or any of the prospects, besides it’s time to see what guys like Phelps can do.
I want CC working on normal rest
The going every 6 days didn’t do him justice this season. They need to narrow it down to five.
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All jokes aside....
His weight probably had something to do with his struggles down the stretch. I think a five man locks us in without much flexibility too soon. A six man gives you flexibility in the rotation and the bull pen.
He's been fat and overweight his whole career without too much of an issue
How does it start to become an issue now?
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Age
It catches up to us all. Being 20 something and fat is easier than being 31 and fat. He is starting to have knee trouble already. If it really gets bad that will affect his pitching. Last season may be a sign of the times if he doesn’t address it now.
Pitching Options
Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Yankees work a trade with the White Sox for either Danks or Floyd. Danks I suspect would be their first choice of the 2.
Also, It wouldn’t surprise me that while the Yankees have shown little interest in Oswalt that he might be Plan B on a 2 year deal if they can’t or don’t sign one of their “primary” targets.
by NY Baseball Fan on Nov 16, 2011 9:12 PM EST reply actions
Probably people who absolutely hate AJ Burnett
And Zambrano would probably be the best bet to get AJ off the team.
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Zambrano for AJ
That’s like dumping Lindsay Lohan for Kim Kardashian. Not much of an upgrade there.
No Danks
I don’t think he would perform well in NY. He would automatically be #2 but I feel there are better fits if Cash decides to trade. I really hope he doesn’t unless the price is cheap.
I don't think anyone can perform well in NY
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 17, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Jeter could have been someone if we traded him years ago
If only the Astros weren’t stupid enough not to draft the Astros. Jeter still probably thinks to himself at night “what could have been”
pitching....
well, i’m still very wary of darvish. after igawa & irabu, & now with dice k, im very leery of signing japan players. maybe it is the transition from 7 to 5 days between starts. i dont know, but i can think of other ways to blow 100 mil! i do like the idea of signing buerhle. look, he’s a pro, period. he knows how to pitch. & except for 1 extremely lucky season, he hasnt pitched for very good teams in chicago. yet, he still wins. maybe not exactly pettitte, but like pettitte, mr. reliable.
trading for danks is intriguing. not sure he has the head for ny media. but, a big, country hardballer always sounds good. & no, i dont go after the 2 a’s pitchers either. now, as far as zambrano, if it means getting rid of aj, i’m all for it. considering his talent, & hoping that, coming to spring training, being around the legends, past & present on yankees, it hopefully gets him to underrstand & get his head right. 1 thing i would like about him. let a team throw at jeter or arod with him pitching!
of course, i’d love to hear the wandy rodriquez trade could still happen. i can see him in pinstripes for next 10 years. & he’d give us 3 top left handers, at yankee stadium as starters. i can just imagine, if the buerhle signing, zambrano & wandy deals are done, just how interesting spring training would be. if zambrano were to have head straight, he’s ideal #2 behind cc. then buerhle or wandy, whichever they prefer. 5th spot probably has to go to nova. but, i’m not counting hughes out just yet.
so, to me, leave wilson to go to angels, especially if they’ll end up having to let haren go next year. picture him in pinstripes! let darvish go get his millions somewhere else. i’ll bet the red sox are really not all that interested right now. so, let him go to a nl team, which i suppose is what will happen with him anyway. & please, leave oswalt & jackson out of any thought.

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