Tex needs to be traded - as clear as mud
by jpoppejr on Oct 9, 2011 9:28 AM EDT
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Several days away from the Yanks lastest failure in the playoffs, I keep thinking how is Cashman (I think he will be back) going to bridge the one or two years until hopefully the next wave of young Core players is ready, while giving the Yanks a chance to compete next year.
Considering A-Rod an immovable object, it seems a reasonable strategy to unlock the block to getting Montero's bat into the lineup consistently would be to trade Tex for a #2 SP such as Cain, Ervin Santana, Latos, and maybe a prospect chip or two. Trading Tex would open the 1B spot for Montero. From reports Montero is not a strong defensive catcher and is too slow for the OF so 1B is probably the eventual spot.
So, the natural response is, "Why trade a proven commodity in Tex when the Yanks could package Montero, one of the Bees, and probably two other top prospects for King Felix or another #1." The response: Get Young. Let's finally see what the Yanks have been developing in their farm system. If the Yanks' scouts and outsides observers have credibility then at least one of the following should be at least a #2 SP within two years: Banuelos, Brackman, Betances. And maybe anothr will serve as a closer?
So, within two years the rotation would be: CC (needs to be signed), Cain/Sanata/Latos or some other #2, Nova, Hughes (hopefully) or AJ, one of the Bees. Not horrible. And if it does not work out the Yanks could always overpay for parts to be competitive.
With Tex gone, Montero playing 1B, the DH spot is open for A-Rod full-time and enables the Yanks to put Nunez at 3B. Having Nunez full-time at 3B will enable the Yanks to see what they really have. If the Yanks are fortunate Nunez gets his defense under control and comes a stronger contributor offensively. Is .275 / 15 / 80 / 30 SB unreasonable?
The lineup looks like: LF - Gardner, SS- Jeter, 2B - Cano, DH - A-Rod, 1B - Montero, CF - Granderson, Swisher - RF (think he should be resigned), Martin (resign if reasonable) / Romaine - C, Nunez - 3B.
As I write the lineup above, I'm not overly excited, how can it be approved?
At the risk of being ridiculed (which happens often to me on this blog), I propose signing FA Reyes and putting him at 3B, moving Nunez to RF and not resigning Swisher. Use Swisher's $9 million salary to offset the $20 million / yr cost of getting Reyes. Reyes plays 3B until Jeter retires. Reyes' defense at 3B cannot be worse then Nunez's current performance - can it? If this happened the lineup could be: 3B - Reyes, SS - Jeter, 2B - Cano, DH - A-Rod, 1B - Montero, CF - Granderson, C - Martin / Romaine, RF - Nunez, LF - Gardner. The lineup would have a lot of speed, but loses 62 HRs and 196 RBIs (Tex and Swisher) that needs to be replaced by Montero and Nunez - which will probably only provide 35 HRs and 140 RBIs? So, as I write this I'm thinking, "I love the speed and dynamic nature of the lineup by adding Reyes, but people are out of position and there is a lot of offense to make up." So, I'm back to re-signing Swisher and the original configuration.
Obviously, the above is just an average Yankee fan, writing out some thoughts, like many Yankee fans have been pondering since Thursday.
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I'd be open to trading him, but...
A) He won’t agree to leave
B) Nobody’s going to take him
I fear his best days may be over.
If they could get rid of Teixeira and sign Fielder/Pujols to a reasonable contract (years wise), I’d do it!
Agreed on all counts.
I know what they wanna keep the DH slot open, but if they could do it (and I know he wont take it) but if Prince would take a short contract say 3-4yrs/80 -100 mil, then id love it. I love his swing in this park, hed proly hit 50 a year. that and as for our choke in the clutch thing we had this october, prince has been pretty clutch in the past.
I hate to say it and I'm NOT advocating it...
But David Ortiz would make more sense than Prince because he’d require a 2 year deal instead of 6 or 7 and we don’t need someone to necessarily anchor the lineup. That being said, I don’t want Ortiz or any full-time DH.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 10, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree bout the full time DH but i was only sayin Prince IF hed take a 3-4 yr deal
Which i know he wont at all, but hey one can dream. As for Ortiz, no way he would even consider comin here. Say what ya want bout money and what not, but i think he would draw the line bout comin here.
The same was said about Johnny Damon. At the end of the day, I want that DH spot open while free agent DH’s are about a dime a dozen this offseason.
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 10, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
tex is untradeable
nobody is taking that contract unless the Yanks agreed to pay for 50% of it(or more), and as stated before he has a full no trade clause
Teixeira being traded
is as likely as me pitching a perfect game for the Yankees in a World Series clinching game.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Oct 9, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
And how do you propose we convince Teixeira, who grew up a Yankee fan, to waive his no-trade clause?
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Well, we used to be the Orioles, so by extension, he was a Yankee fan, lol.
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by MichaelGGBGrabow on Oct 12, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Tex had a bad season
But his trade value is at an all time low, he has a bad contract and a no trade clause. I don’t see him going anywhere.
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Mud isn't clear.
So you’re saying he shouldn’t be traded? So you should of never posted this?
Residing on the BEast coast.
So, we put our best defensive 3B at DH
And we trade our best defensive 1B and replace him with a rookie who’s never played the position. And we take a bench player that somehow managed to commit more errors than most of our starters, and either play him at 3B where he committed a lot of those errors, or also play him in a brand new position. And then we sign an expensive, often-injured free agent, and ask him to play a position he does not normally play.
And all this, so we can have a lower-scoring offense than last year, to make up for all of the extra runs this defense will allow.
Do I have that right?
who's gonna trade for Tex?
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He is two years removed from hitting .292
I don’t think that number is out of reach for him. Just needs to stop hitting into the Goddamn shift and swinging the bat like a freaking golf club on the left side.
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Put him at 1st and let him gain some experience. I am more inclined to move Tex, anyway possible. The money he is being paid doesn’t warrant him just being a defensive all-star. He has made many a good save there only to come up to bat when we need a hit and then choking on the big green weinner!! We can get a defensive first baseman that hits <.250 for a lot less money than we are paying him.
by Southern Yankee boy on Oct 10, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions
Lets
move Texeira to Second base, Montero to first, Swisher to DH, Jeter to Catcher, A-Rod to Right Field, Cano to left, Gardner to Third, and Granderson to Shortstop.
This will fix the hitting.
He said Gardner to third.
So someone else (Martin?) would move to center.
Hell with it, let’s move Mo to center.
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by JumpinJackFlash on Oct 10, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So suddenly Mark Teixeira (31) is old and might only fetch a #2 starter?
And we should sign Jose Reyes for $100+ Mil so he can play 3rd?
I hope we neither trade Tex nor sign Reyes.
1st base is fine. The sky is not falling over 1st base. It’s not even cloudy. Tex is a perrenial gold glove there and while his average sucked this year, his 39 HRs and 111 RBI are excellent. Of all the things the Yankees could do to improve, 1st base shouldn;t even be in the conversation.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 10, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions
He had a .268 BABIP in 2010 and .239 in 2011. Opposing teams are learning how to more precisely shift their defense when Tex is hitting. For him to increase his average, Tex is going to have to start hitting to the opposite field thus sacrificing much of his power. I’ll take his longball on any day over a bump up in batting average.
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 10, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Tex had the worst 39HRs and 111 RBIs in the history of baseball
I know what he did and that all runs count, but this guy was absolutely terrible at the plate in the 2nd half of the season. Terrible.
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that's probably the only reason Tex isn't the worst player in baseball
somehow, unlike Mets and White Sox high paid players he actually does produce despite being a piece of shit at the plate.
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I think if our WORST hitter at the plate is mark Teixeira
The Yankees are in excellent shape.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 11, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
considering what he does when he's up at the plate
I wish that were the case.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
C'mon now... it's like your perception of Teixeira is that he is Adam Dunn
You’re calling a guy terrible even as he was one of the most productive cleanup hitters in baseball.
Any disappointment has got to come from knowing that he has been better than this season. His consistentcy was down, but his power was terrific!!
“Worst” and “Terrible” are just not words that should be used to describe anything Mark Teixeira does… and I know you know this. Doesn;t make the guy immortal or anything, but even with a Tex slump, he still has the ability to get a huge hit at any time. Pitchers don’t take it easy on him or assume he is some ‘easy out’.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 11, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I know there's worse players then Tex
but I know I’m not the only one to wonder how can you get any worse at the plate then this guy. He was terrible in teh 2nd half and that’s even considering his BABIP improved in the 2nd half.
To say that he’s turning into Giambi with great defense is an insult to Giambi
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He did have a subpar 2nd half, sure..
I just don’t think we have seen the best of him already. No doubt though, 2012 is going to be a key season for him. I expect the power numbers to remain, but if that average is once again around .250 or takes another dive, well… that would be 3 years in a row and I would stay to wonder. But even so, I could very much accept having a 1baseman who can hit a load of HRs and drive in a lot of RBI even if he isn’t the most consistent hitter.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 11, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care what his average is
the guy just does nothing for entirely too long. And he’s been tailing off since the Yankees signed him.
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Well in his case, the average matters
Because the power numbers and walks seem to remain constant from year to year. But the hits have gone way down and the batting average has gone from .280-.300 down to below .250, and it’s negatively effecting his OBP. If you hit .240 with high power numbers, then you are an all or nothing hitter. And if Tex goes into a power slump and is incapable of getting a hit, then he’s a lot worse than if he goes into a power slump but can still get his hits and get on base at a higher clip.
I’d rather have the batting average higher. He hits .240 because balls that used to be hits or doubles into the gap have turned into swings and misses and pop ups to the third baseman, and it’s caused him to seem much more useless at the plate.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
Tex is supposed to be a high OBP guy
he walks a lot. He’s not doing that. I don’t give a shit about his average, the OBP needs to be higher.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
not happening
the guy hit 39 HR and 111 RBIs during the year. not to mention he’s the best fielding first baseman in the league. he didn’t hit in the playoffs, but how do you know that someone else is guaranteed to hit then?
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
As expected...
Responders for the most part did not disappoint. Ridicule. So, here is my response. First, I do not want to see Tex go. My point is that the Yanks are somewhat stuck with how they are configured and by moving Tex it loosens things up. Also, I thank all of the responders that highlighted the obvious about people playing out of position. As I say to my analysts I do not need 101 answers. Give me 201 and 301 from time to time. So how about some of them? Anyone? And no – highlighting that mud is not clear does not constitute a 201 answer. I was hoping that responders would understand that the post was just to start discussion by the fact I stated “clear as mud.” Btw, the only player out of position would be Montero at 1B since Nunez played 40 games at 3B. Because if you read the thread fully for would realize I threw out Reyes as a concept and then pulled it back for Swisher remaining in RF.
Someone give me the proper solution for the ill constructed team that does not involve just depleting the farm system and needs to be in a holding pattern for one year (until Jeter moves from SS). Someone out there?
You make it sound like trading Tex is going to be a piece of cake after one of his worst years offensively. With Albert Pujols and Prince Fielder as free agents, you have two elite players (one younger) with better track records whom a team is going to only have to pay slightly more for. Assuming that Montero and Nunez can play an adequate 1B and 3B respectively is highly questionable. I think you’re underestimating the importance of defense in your fanpost.
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 11, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Giant contract + full NTC = deal with it. Tex isn’t going anywhere.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Oct 11, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't blame us for pointing out your idea was unrealistic
There is enough time spent on this site discussing possible roster moves. Do we need to waste time laboriously covering the ramifications of a trade that will never happen?
I'll bite. you don't need a 201 or 301 answer for a 101 question.
Our fielding is excellent as it is. We have a diverse mix of terrific veterans, emerging young stars, and young guys just breaking into the Show. What are you looking to change?
No one will dispute Teix’ defensive value at 1B and how many teams have a Gold Glove 1B who hits 40hr and drives in 120rbi? Oh, his average has dropped the last 2 years but his power hasn’t. At 31yrs old, Teix is a major asset to this team. His average should come back with some tweaks. But he is far from a liability.
ARod and Jeter are also assets. Our only concern is to keep them healthy. They don’t need to play 162 games. Thats why we have a guy like Nunez to break in. His glove is weaker, sure, but he’s like 20! His bat is already solid and he has no pressure to grow because all eyes will focus on Jeter and ARod. Don’t kid yourself and think we are gonna move either. Do I need to talk about Robinson Cano? Our infield is stellar. Montero is gonna catch and we have Martin to help him a bit, as well as a manager who was a catcher himself. Montero’s bat is terrific, and while he doesn’t project at Thurmon Munson behind the plate, he is certainly not awful either. What other young catchers would we replace Montero with? Romine isn’t ready yet. Even if he was, so what? Give Montero a chance.
Our outfield is in great shape too. Any complaints about Curtis Granderson or Brett Gardner in CF and LF? Both are excellent defensively and both have been excellent offensively. Grandy is 30 and GGBG is 28. Both are in their prime years now. Keep. Them. Swisher’s contract is up and he has been very good for us. He’s not a star, but he hits well, stays healthy and has an excellent arm that is quite accurate. He is also a great clubhouse guy. Bummer if he leaves, but he’s not irreplaceable either. Granderson can play RF if need be. Outfielders aren’t hard to find. The Rays have a ton. Go after a guy like Matt Joyce or Sam Fuld. We have a deep enough lineup where we don’t need to spend money for a superstar. Save the money for pitching.
Here is the 301 answer. Listen to Brian Cashman. No major changes to this team. The Yankees have youth, experience, power, grittyness, a deep bullpen, an elite ace, multiple young pitchers to groom and a couple other veteran starters who have great ability (Hughes, Burnett). Go with Occam’s Razor. Don’t turn into Chicken Little.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
301 answer
Sometimes that’s the hardest thing to realize and execute. Just leave it alone. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side of the fence.
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Swisher has an option for 2012, I’d be surprised if the Yankees didn’t pick it up.
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I would be as well.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Oct 13, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Tex sucks and no one wants him
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Tex
Is ok due to his glove & smarts. He does need to start hitting the other way, I mean any pitch with a break on the outer half is a K or out now. Besides, they bigger problem is AChoke at the plate. He’s still better than Nunez the Error freak though. Maybe they can teach Nunez how to play the OF, he has good speed & that could be a plus since the Free agent OF market is slim this year.
Problem they have is Grandy, AChoke, Tex & Swish ..they K at a 23% of the time clip. You wonder why they leave so many baserunners in scoring position? I’m worried about Montero too with his K / AB too, we’ll see. I’m not keen on getting another full time DH, with AChoke & his drug loaded hips around.
K %
Granderson – 24.5%
A-Rod – 18.7%
Swisher – 19.1%
Tex – 16.1%
Only Granderson was close to your 23% made up number, and he was an MVP candidate.
So, Tex is ok due to his “glove & smarts”, but the rest are not? A-Rod’s defense was excellent this season, and he played hurt in the playoffs. Swisher’s defense was better than it’s been in years.
Oh, and Montero had all of 69 plate appearances, but cool story, anyway.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Oct 13, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
Question about your prospects
Do Yankee fans still feel the “Killer B’s” are elite prospects?! I realize they are young and still learning how to pitch but they didn’t exactly light it up in the minors this year. You mentioned a deal for Felix centered around Montero and one of the “B’s”, I honestly feel like Seattle scoffs at that, not trying to be a dick at all I just feel they may be a bit overhyped?
DWTDD
what a joke
Does anyone really believe that anyone is going to trade for Texeira? We couldn’t GIVE him away. He’s owed 112.5 million over the next five years. You Texiera defenders make me laugh harder than I do at the notion that anyone would trade for him. A “slump” does not last two seasons. His average and OBP have crashed to the ground. The increase in his power is due to the fact that its pretty obvious that the shift has gotten into his head and he’s swinging with an uppercut.
Maybe instead of filming Entourage episodes he should be working on trying to take the ball the other way once in a while and reverting back to the level swing that made him a .300 plus lifetime hitter before he came to NY.
He’s the biggest postseason stiff in Yankee history. His postseason average as a Yankee is in the 160’s.
Yeah, his glove is great, hes a nice guy, but the glove and being nice aren’t worth 112.5 million dollars the next 5 years. Hes a total bust.
Anyone who rips AJ Burnett and not Texeira is a real imbecile. AJ’s game 2 in the 2009 WS was the reason we won the WS. He came up big in game 4 this year too. Whats Texeira done in the postseason? NOTHING!!
Burnett is .500 as a Yankee starter with two huge postseason wins.
Texeira has hit .252 the past two seasons with NOTHING in the postseason.
For all those who cry about Burnett not earning his money? You’re right, he hasn’t, but hes been hounded mercilessly while this stiff Texeira gets a free ride.
Its time for the media and fans to get off AJ’s back and start letting Texeira hear the boos. He needs a wakeup call to start working harder at being the player we signed.
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