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Questions for Joe Girardi

I know it's easy to judge the decisions Joe Girardi made during this series in hindsight. Some worked out well, many others didn't. Maybe some of you can share your opinions.

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1. Why did the batting order not change?  Jim Leyland effectively made changes in his lineup every night to give the Tigers their best chance to win. Joe Girardi, not so much. In my opinion, he has always been way too rigid. Jeter, Cano, Posada and Gardner were the Yankees' hottest hitters this series (add Jesus Montero to that list based on his 2-2 performance). They batted 1st, 3rd, 7th, 9th and (rode the bench) respectively. Alex Rodriguez and Mark Teixeira were cold all September and all series. They hit 4th and 5th. I commend Girardi for finally making Cano the 3rd hitter late in the season, but iverall, he hasn't been flexible with his lineup. In the playoffs, it shouldn't matter who the sluggers are supposed to be. You should ride the hottest hitters. 

2. Why pitch CC Sabathia twice on 2 days' rest?  Yes, he's the ace, and using him in game 3 was generally regarded as the right move. But bringing him into game 5 was unnecessary (see question 3). When you go with a ridiculous 6 man rotation for half the season, giving Sabathia 5 days between starts, you can't expect results with him pitching on less than half his normal rest. He took the loss in game 5.

3. Why use so many pitchers in game 5?  Nova got hurt, so Girardi brought in Hughes. Ok fine. Hughes pitched well. But then he went to Logan, who also pitched well. Then with a lefty already on the mound, he decided to burn his other lefty, CC Sabathia. Finally, Girardi had found his pitcher who would struggle and end up losing the game. My point is: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Hughes could have gone longer.

4. Why did your top 2 relief pitchers throw a combined 3 1/3 innings all series?  The best reliever in baseball threw 8 pitches in the series, none of which really mattered. Girardi's "formula" simply doesn't work in the playoffs. If he insists on bringing in David Robertson and Mariano Rivera only for the 8th and 9th if the Yankees have the lead, he's limiting their usefulness. He leaves the lesser relievers to pitch more innings. Rafael Soriano was used more than those two combined because the "7th inning guy" was always called on to rescue the 6th inning man too. Soriano took the loss in game 3. Bottom line is: You have the best late inning bullpen in baseball. But that doesn't help if you lose the game earlier on. Robertson and Rivera should be throwing more innings than the other guys. They should also have the ball when it matters most, no matter what the inning. Don't "save them" for save situations which don't come.

Learn from your mistakes, Joe, and do better next year.

Poll
What was Joe Girardi's biggest mistake in the series?
Keeping the same batting order
58 votes
Pitching Sabathia twice on 2 days' rest
21 votes
Using so many pitchers early in game 5
16 votes
Barely using Robertson and Rivera
20 votes
Other (please specify in comments)
5 votes

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1. Statistical studies (this is one of many) have shown that batter order doesn’t really matter.

2. Why not throw your ace when he’s ready and available in a close elimination game? I don’t care that CC ultimately took the L in a game where the entire team gave up only three runs. This Yankee offense should be able to score more than two runs against anyone.

3. Pitching didn’t lose the game. With CC used up, you’re preserving Hughes in a short outing for a possible future long relief appearance in the ALCS or to replace an injured Ivan Nova.

4. I’ll agree with you on this point.

by Scooby Snacks on Oct 7, 2011 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I think 4 is the best point

Every postseason win is precious but I really didn’t see a sense of urgency until the decisive game 5. When you get into an elimination game, it’s just one game, and it’s too late to suddenly panic.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 8, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saved my best point for last

With regards to the link, I only skimmed it and you do have a point that a lineup doesn’t make a big difference. However it also seems that the best results occur when the top hitters are getting the most at bats. Posada and Gardner didn’t get as many at bats as most of the other players. Putting the best hitters at a point in time one after the other is the best recipe for success (not that it is always possible to determine who the top hitters of the day are though).

by Sports Fan! on Oct 8, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

A-ROD

A-Rod is worthless…can never hit a ball. Yankees played just fine without him while he was out on injured list. Get rid of him all ready !!!!!! They should have put Montero in to bat.

by PaulaM on Oct 8, 2011 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Ended our season by not hitting the ball (literally) for the second year in a row.

Montero should have been given more at bats after his 2 game 4 hits (granted, it would have been tough to find a spot for him in the lineup).

by Sports Fan! on Oct 8, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other

1. Putting Ayala in game 2.
2. Pinch hitting Chavez for Gardner in game 2.

by stusviews on Oct 8, 2011 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed on both

Chavez made no sens whatsoever.

by Sports Fan! on Oct 8, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

My question is

Why take out Phil Hughes? He was rolling, he gave up a single to Right Field and then he took him out? He was doing great! We used too many ptichers. I hope he gets fired!

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by BrettGardnerLF on Oct 8, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't see any way Girardi gets fired unless...

Cashman leaves and the new GM is insistent on hiring a particular manager.

However, 2012 is a definite hot seat year for Girardi. I would say that in 2012 it’s World Series or bust.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 8, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

George isn't here anymore

Joe Torre lasted 4 consecutive playoff hearbreaks before losing his job, and that was with George still around. Granted, Torre had more success in his early years than Girardi has had, but Girardi still has another year on his contract after 2012 and I think it would take an absolutely awful year (I’m talking hovering around .500 and missing the postseason awful) for him to get fired. The Yankees front office seems to think pretty highly of him.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 8, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Killed us the same way he killed the Sox

Ok not really, but in both games 162 and game 5 he went though too many pitchers (difference: I was happy about it last Wednesday). Can’t blame the loss entirely on that as everyone else is saying, but I agree with you that the game might have stayed 2-2 if he had left Hughes in.

by Sports Fan! on Oct 8, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

the batting order did change

why not pitch CC
the pitching wasn’t the problem in game 5
we either blew the Tigers out or lost, but not due to relief pitching.

The real question is why did guys not hit. A-Rod had a sort of excuse, he’s hurt. But all the others…why did they not hit? Good pitching? They suck?

Girardi can’t answer these questions. He can’t make guys hit MLB pitchers.

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 8, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, hitting is what lost it for us

But Girardi still COULD have salvaged one more win for us (game 2 or 5) if he had managed his bullpen better, despite the hitting.

I didn’t notice the batting order change… at least not a significant one. What was it?

by Sports Fan! on Oct 8, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cano batted 3rd...remember?

and the bullpen and the pitching overall didn’t hurt.

Game 5 was a freak occurrence and likely Girardi wanted all the pitchers throwing a small number of innings so they can give their best outing.

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 8, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok yeah, I remember that, but I meant lineup changes during the postseason.
I would’ve gon with the strategy: “give me one good inning”, then if they did well and feel fine, “give me another inning”

by Sports Fan! on Oct 8, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't change the lineup on a whim in the postseason

and how do you know he didn’t have the “one good inning” strategy? A few guys did throw two innings. CC didn’t, and he wasn’t throwing well.

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 8, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No idea what strategy he was using, because it didn’t make sense to me. Hughes was sent out for a second inning, but was pulled after giving up a hit. Sabathia was sent out for a second inning despite his ineffectiveness.

by Sports Fan! on Oct 8, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Girardi did fine

He kept changing pitchers in Game 5 but it worked out. The problem was not getting the clutch hit and not being able to score a runner from third with less than 2 outs.

by Jon8010 on Oct 8, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

you don't know this.

as much as it “worked out” the 1 run could’ve been “avoided”.

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 8, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I’m saying is that CC wasn’t on his game, and if someone else like Hughes was in, maybe that run doesn’t score. Of course, can’t know for sure.

by Sports Fan! on Oct 8, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Girardi had a fine series

Other than hitting for Gardner with Chavez and his use of Ayala I really had no issue with the way he managed. All the games except Game 2 he managed fine.

The real question is why the middle of the order did not hit, and there’s nothing Joe can do about that. He’s not changing his order based on 5 games and nor should he.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 8, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate to say it, but Tex and Swisher have bad playoff reputations.

by Sports Fan! on Oct 8, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Swisher seems to thrive against mediocre to poor pitching

That’s just the eye-test, I don’t have anything to back that up. He’s still an extremely valuable regular season player. Tex was hurt by the fact that all of Detroit’s starters are right-handed and he seems to have forgotten how to hit lefty.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Both points seem true

Tex really needs to figure out a way to eliminate the shift.

by Sports Fan! on Oct 10, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

HE has to go back to hitting the other way

As he did earlier in his career. He’s become way too pull happy as a left handed hitter where he tries to put every pitch into the short porch.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 10, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) Batting order is irrelevant and changing it would not have done anything.

2) Because CC is a lot better than our other pitchers and has historically been good on short rest.

3) Nova was pulled due to injury. Why Hughes was pulled so quickly instead of letting him pitch deeper I really don’t know. I thought that was pretty stupid, as Hughes was looking good.

4) This is part of the reason why the importance of relief pitchers (especially closers) is wildly overstated. If you don’t have the lead in a close game in the late innings (which we didn’t), they sit in the pen and rot.

by Lord Duggan on Oct 8, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed on 2,3,4

I had no problem starting CC in game 3. Pulling Hughes and bringing him in in game 5 was not the right move. Sure he’s the best pitcher, but not on 2 days’ rest (he showed that in game 3).
And yes, your top pitchers need to pitch when you are leading AND trailing close games in the playoffs.

by Sports Fan! on Oct 8, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only issue I had with Girardi in that series was Montero only getting 2 at-bats.

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by Wraithpk on Oct 8, 2011 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

And Posada made it impossible to take him out

Girardi wanted his defensive catcher in there because he doesn’t think Montero is capable of catching big games. He wasn’t about to turn away from his starting catcher all year to go with somebody who had about two games of major league experience catching.

But with the way Russ was hitting, offense was needed more than defense. The only game I agreed with starting Russ and dealing with his pitcher-like bat was Burnett’s game, because there’s no way I’d let Jesus catch the erratic AJ Burnett in an elimination game.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 8, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was also thinking of how to put Montero in...

As DH instead of Posada? NO.
As catcher for Martin? Maybe when offence is needed. But that’s a really tough move to make.
Put Posada, Martin and Montero at 3 of C, 1B, 3B, DH, with the other spot going to ARod or Tex? Maybe it should have been done after all, but even I wouldn’t have done it if I were Girardi (at least not to start the game)

by Sports Fan! on Oct 8, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Batting order

I suspect that A-Rod should have been moved down because of his injuries. Posada made this an issue; Joe will need to establish that he has control of the batting order in spring training. That may include Jeter as well (especially if Gardner is the best lead-off man with Jeter hitting 2nd behind him on H&R plays more frequently). That said, the Yanks should keep Joe.

by logiet on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

A-Rod would still be in the lineup so moving him down doesn't matter.

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Gardner did much this year to show he should bat leadoff

His .345 OBP was lower than Jeter’s and while he did lead the AL in steals, those provide pretty much the same value from the 9th spot.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 11, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

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