Extremely Early Roster Ideas: Pitching
by Brandon C. on Oct 7, 2011 3:01 PM EDT
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PrintThe 2011 season is now over, and it's time to think about the 2012 Yankees season. In addition to pitching, I will also be writing about my extremely early roster ideas for hitting, and coaching, eventually.
Let's take a look at the 2011 pitching staff at the end of the season.
Luis Ayala, Dellin Betances, Andrew Brackman, A.J. Burnett, Joba Chamberlain*, Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia, Phil Hughes, George Kontos, Aaron Laffey, Boone Logan, Hector Noesi, Ivan Nova, Scott Proctor, Mariano Rivera, David Robertson, CC Sabathia, Rafael Soriano, Raul Valdes, Cory Wade, Kevin Whelan.
Out of those pitchers, here are the categories I would put them into.
Pitchers that should be on MLB 25 man roster no matter what: A.J. Burnett, Joba Chamberlain (assuming he can pitch) Phil Hughes, Boone Logan, Hector Noesi, Ivan Nova, Mariano Rivera, David Robertson, CC Sabathia, Rafael Soriano, Cory Wade.
Pitchers that should start in AAA, but have a chance at MLB: Dellin Betances, Andrew Brackman, George Kontos, Aaron Laffey, Kevin Whelan.
Pitchers that should never wear Pinstripes again: Luis Ayala, Scott Proctor, Raul Valdes.
Pitchers that should go, but pitched well for the Yankees: Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia.
Explanations after the jump, along with who the Yankees should target to fill the holes left by the departing players.
The Yankees need to re-sign CC Sabathia if he opts out, and they should do that at whatever the cost is. I'm fine with the Yankees giving CC a blank check. Rafael Soriano may opt out, but it doesn't look likely.
Luis Ayala pitched well according to ERA, but I can't take another year of seeing him pitch in important situations and then seeing runs added to the board over and over again. Scott Proctor is awful, and Raul Valdes can't even pitch against lefties.
I reluctantly decided that both Colon and Garcia do not belong on the 2012 Yankees roster, even if they can be signed for little to no money. Colon's arm died as predicted at the end of the 2011 season, and Garcia is at best a fourth starter, while the Yankees could instead give Hector Noesi a chance at the rotation.
There are eleven pitchers on my definite list for the 2012 roster, which isn't a bad number. The rotation should include:
CC Sabathia
Ivan Nova
A.J. Burnett
Phil Hughes
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One of the main goals for the Yankees this offseason should be getting Phil Hughes in shape to start the 2012 season with a working arm. Hughes' dead arm was a huge issue for the Yankees, and if Hughes can get an out pitch and not lose the usage of his pitching arm; he could be a #3 starter for the Yankees.
I expect a bounce back year from Burnett, so I am including him as a definite here. Burnett and Nova can mentor each other to success.
The fifth starter spot is an interesting decision. The Yankees could go after a starter, like Yu Darvish, C.J. Wilson, or someone else, or the Yankees could trade for a starter. If the Yankees don't acquire a starter, there is always the option of making Hector Noesi a starter, or giving one of the Killer B's a chance at the rotation.
My solution is to avoid a bidding war for either starter, avoid trading the farm for a starter, but look very closely at the starting pitching market. The Yankees could use a trade like the Tigers trade for Doug Fister. Sorry, too soon, I know.
If the Yankees don't end up with a starter at that point, sign a veteran to compete with the Killer B's, David Phelps, Adam Warren, and Hector Noesi. Winner gets the spot.
At that point, the Yankees can mix a few spring training invitees, a few minor league relievers, and Joba to round out the bullpen.
Thoughts?
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Despite the injury
Isn’t Mitre still somehow on this team?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Oct 7, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
I left him out…whoops. If he’s on the team I will go insane.
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No place on any MLB roster. Period.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Oct 7, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
By the way, are you watching the Rangers?
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I’m watching them now.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Oct 7, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you going to watch a lot this year?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Oct 7, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice post
As soon as the season is over I am always anxious to hear offseason news so this is good, even though it is extremely early as the Yankees should still be playing tomorrow. But…
CC, Nova and AJ are the only locks in the rotation right now. Hughes should be, but with the way they handled Joba and with Hughes’ injuries and past bullpen success, I could see them permanently placing him in the pen. Burnett was always a definite, and CC will be brought back obviously, and Nova is also a definite after this season. For rotation options, I’d go hard after Yu Darvish (yes, I said “hard” IGYAR) and get Hughes back into the rotation, and have Phelps, Warren and the Killer Bs in the minor leagues ready to go incase of injury or ineffectiveness. Noesi I’d like to see develop into an Aceves-like player.
As for the bullpen, definite guys right now are Mo-Robertson-Soriano-Logan-Joba (who I hear is ahead of schedule right now, and possibly back for opening day). Thats five, and you need seven out of the pen. I’d like to see Noesi like I said, and possibly Cory Wade brought back. Also a guy I think everybody has forgotten, Damaso Marte has a team option for this upcoming year. The Yankees could pick up the option and hope that he stays healthy and can be a solid LOOGY out of the pen next year. But I’d expect them to buy out his deal.
Ayala should never throw another pitch for the Yankees again. And neither should Proctor. The only change I want is Yu Darvish and a new offseason conditioning plan for Phil Hughes, because whatever he did this past offseason did not work. If they fail to get Darvish (which would suck), then Cashman should look at getting a mid-level starter in a trade.
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No blank check to CC
This is where negotiating skills come in handy.
I want the guy back but not for a contract that takes him towards 40 at even bigger bucks. Give him a couple more mil per year, give him one more year. After that, risky. IMO you will not like what you see when 38 yr old 28 Mil per year CC takes the mound.
Yeah yeah, I know – Yanks are lost w/out him and they are. But stupid business decisions are stupid business decisions no matter how you look at it.
Like the idea of “Noesi I’d like to see develop into an Aceves-like player” Seems to be his comfort zone.
I hope Soriano opts out. Use the $$ elsewhere.
Too soon for any of the B’s to start the year in MLB? Yankkes are very protective of young arms and it has not exactly paid off for Hughes and Joba. Other teams are less cautious. I’m just sayin’…
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Definitely no blank check for CC. Long term deals for free agent pitchers on the wrong side of 30 are disasters about 95% of the time. He has been incredibly durable with his arm, but you have to wonder about his joints (especially his knees) taking the strain of all of his weight during his pitching delivery for all of those pitches for all of those years.
I’d definitely want to bring him back, but I wouldn’t do The Yankee Standard of blowing every competing offer out of the water for no apparent reason. But, if some team offered him a huge deal (6-7 years 20+ million per), I would let him go.
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by Lord Duggan on Oct 7, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why on earth would Soriano EVER opt out of that contract?
It’s so team-unfriendly, I still can’t believe it happened. Is it not obvious that he just wanted the money rather than a closer’s role? No way after last season and with all the closers who are going to be bouncing around free agency does he even come close to landing that paycheck again this offseason.
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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Oct 9, 2011 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Folks, soon to come is the offense post, the coaching post, and Chris and I are working on a post together.
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by noonoo on Oct 7, 2011 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Hughes can get an out pitch AND not lose the usage of his pitching arm, he might be an ace, let alone a 3.
He has good command, and if he can average 92.5 mph on his fastball again with an out pitch, as in early 2010, he’s looking like an ace.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 7, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
When Hughes almost threw the no no against Texas...
…and left with an injury, didn’t he have an out pitch then? If he did, where did it go?
Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."
It was a curveball, and he’s since changed his grip.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 7, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, Frankie!
Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."
CC limped across the finish line ...
I would certain try to resign him, but I wouldn’t give him a blank check. He admitted to gaining back all his weight and then some, and looked gassed throughout the month of September. What’s the status of Big Game James Shields. Is he a FA? If so I’d throw big money at him. He’s a proven winner in the AL Beast.
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Not a FA until after 2014
unless his ridiculously cheap team options aren’t picked up. Options kick in this offseason.
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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Oct 9, 2011 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions
ridiculously cheap for the Yankees
not necessarily cheap for Tampa Bay, they’ll definily take the options but might be looking to trade him. The organization is fed up with lack of attendance so they’re not worried about trading their star players.
Sorry
I meant ridiculously cheap for his talent.
200+ IP of good pitching at that price is ridiculously cheap. The price is expensive for the Rays, but that’s not what I meant. My fault.
Also, just because the OWNER is fed up with the lack of attendance, it doesn’t mean they’re just going to trade away star players for whatever. Even in TB, the most expensive option on his contract won’t be breaking the bank, seriously. The payroll hopefully will be cyclical. 2010 was the high point, and 2011 was the new low. Hopefully, it increases until they reach a $70-80 million (at least – god I wish) high point again before they cut it back down to a low point again. I don’t think they’ll be keeping payroll around $40 million for much longer, but maybe I’m just dreaming.
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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Oct 10, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
My ideal offseason:
1. Re-sign CC: no-brainer
2. Sign Yu Darvish: Yes, we’ve had trouble with Japanese pitchers in the past but Darvish is better than any pitcher who’s ever come from Japan, including Dice-k and Nomo.
3. Re-sign Martin: Yes, I know we all hate him after last night (and a lot of us hated him before that) but I don’t feel comfortable seeing just Jesus and Cervelli behind the plate all year. I’d like to see Martin start about 75 games, with Jesus (who will otherwise be the DH) and Cervelli splitting the rest.
4. Re-sign Jones and Chavez to similar 1 year deals: I liked the 2 veterans in their roles this year. They should have similar roles next year.
5. Extend Cano: I know it’s not team policy but Cano’s a free agent in 2013. That’s too close for comfort.
(6. Sign Pujols/Fielder: This won’t happen, but I can dream)
Next years roster:
SP: CC, Darvish, Nova, AJ, Hughes
RP: Rivera, D-Rob, Soriano, Logan, Wade, Noesi, Joba
Lineup: Jeter(SS), Granderson(CF) , Cano(2B), A-Rod(3B), Tex(1B), Swisher(RF), Jesus(DH), Martin©, Gardner(LF)
Bench: Cervelli, Nunez, Jones, Chavez
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is supposedly better than the previous ones, I’d rather give the spot to Phelps or Warren until the Killer B’s are ready.
Wouldn’t mind keeping the bench the same, Jones we could replace but I wouldn’t hate keeping him.
Dice-K was a decent number 3 when he wasn’t injured. Kuroda is a legit number 2, Urehara also has been good. Darvish’s upside is higher than Phelps, Warren and any of the killer B’s.
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ManBan is going to be better than Darvish and for a longer period of time.
You also forgot to mention the fact that Dice-K can’t go more than 5-6 innings and you used the word “was” about him twice, he’s still on his first contract and you’re already saying he was a decent pitcher which for the money spent on him and the money it’s going to take to get Darvish, I want a hell of a lot more than a decent #3 starter that will only have 2 barely decent years. Kuroda is a good pitcher in the NL, the Yankees don’t play in the NL west.
No blank check
1. Re-sign? yes. Blank check? no
3. Re-sign Martin: I’d rather see him traded and see Montero and Romine catch or maybe Montero and Frankie. Montero DHs when he is not catching 100 games.
4. Re-sign Jones and Chavez to similar 1 year deals: Yep. Cheap, vet role players. I’d keep em
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Good ideas, couple ideas
2. Sign Darvish: Depends on how much it would cost. I would have no problem giving that spot to a young gun (a Bee, Noesi, etc.) How shocking would it be to have 3 starting pitcher who’ve been starting for 3 or less years!
3. Martin: He did well. I could definitely see him having a mentor role for Montero similar to Joe G for Jorge or Benji Molina for Buster Posey. I might even have him start less than 75 games, with about half the total starts going to Jesus.
4. Jones and Chavez: As long as they are cheap, I like that idea.
6. Not a chance. What do we need them for with 6 years of ARod, of which at least 4 will be with him exclusively as DH, and next year he and Jeter will probably start at DH almost every game that Montero doesn’t? I see our DH situation next year something like this: Jeter and A-Rod one day a week each, another regular (Tex, Grandy, Cano, Swish, etc.) one day, Montero 2 days, Jones/Chavez 2 days.
Roster looks good.
Given the concussions
It would not be prudent to count on Cervelli at this point.
by Iggy Poptart on Oct 10, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
One name to watch out for
Graham Stoneburner, especially if Joba isn’t healthy.
Stoneburner just made it to Trenton this year.
I don’t see him being a factor in the majors next year.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Oct 7, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Garcia
I think the Yankees have to keep one of Colon or Garcia. As we were reminded again this year when Hughes and Colon went down, you can never have too much starting pitching. I would prefer Garcia, but will accept whichever of these two will take a one year deal. If they’ll both take one year deals, all the better.
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Hope CC & Soriano opt out & let them walk – no more long term contracts to over 30 players. CC’s thrown too many pitches for his weight – he has maybe 2 years left in that body. Let Chavez & Jones walk – there are better options. Try to trade AJ to NL – he’ll never be worth anything to the Yankees. Look elsewhere for starters. Nova, Hughes, Garcia, Noesi, and a FA. Sign Martin & Cervelli. DH Montero. Romine in AAA.
This kind of thinking is what would cause the Yankees to miss the postseason EVEN with Selig’s new WildCard plan in place.
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Maybe
But it might set the team up better to make the playoffs for 2013-2016. Even the Yankees can’t just keep doubling down on contracts forever.
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by Iggy Poptart on Oct 10, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
The key for me is getting another reliable starter
In the end Andy Pettite was missed big time. He could have made a huge difference in this series. C.J. Wilson will be a free agent this year. He could be a solid pick up. Other than that I would bring Garcia back. I think he can give the Yankees next year the same performance. Hopefully, we are only a year or 2 away from Banuelos and Betances becoming quality parts of the rotation.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Oct 7, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions
Agree with Garcia
He was solid most of the year. He’s turned into a Maddux-type finesse pitcher who pitches to location. Colon, while a great surprise, is too close to 40 and WAY out of shape.
My offseason plan:
1. Resign CC, give him another year or two.
2. Pick up Swisher’s option.
3. Sign Yu Darvish. He’s legit, going to be really good here.
4. Resign Martin (as much as I hate him right now) and have him split catching duties with Montero while Montero also gets most of the DH at-bats. For the third catcher, keep Cervelli one more year until Romine is ready.
5. Sign a veteran bench player that can play middle infield. Nunez is just not ready defensively, he needs to go back down.
6. Fill out the rest of the bench.
That’s it. Inserting Darvish into the second rotation spot will vastly improve our rotation. A full year of Montero will improve our offense. Signing Fielder or Pujols would be great, but Teixeira is unmovable, so it’s just not realistic.
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Signing Darvish is no gimme:
(1) He has to decide to go through the posting process;
(2) The Yankees have to submit the high bid for him. There are several other teams (the Red Sox, Angels, Nationals) that have the incentive and cash to bid for him. But since the bids are blind bids and not a bargaining process, the Yankees (or anyone else) don’t get to go through a bidding process to measure and beat the competition. So how much do you bid? The team could go in with a truly overwhelming bid, but then you are essentially throwing away money. Especially if the pitcher isn’t good (see, e.g.:Irabu, Igawa, Matsuzaka) or gets hurt. and of course
(3) The bidding process doesn’t land the pitcher, it just gives you the right to negotiate.
It’s no gimme.
No, it's not a gimmie
But the fact still stands the Yankees have more financial resources than any other team in baseball, and therefore are best equipped to make the highest bid to get the right to negotiate with Darvish. Of course there will be other teams in on him. Thats what the offseason is about. But Darvish is a 24 year old who could turn into an ace, and for a team that will need to get one or two pitchers this offseason I’l be stunned if the Yankees aren’t very intrigued. And when the Yankees want something how often are they outbid?
And the posting fee doesn’t go into the luxury tax or the payroll either.
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The Yankees have more financial resources than any other team in baseball ... they also have more financial commitments already
Even with Posada coming off the books, remember that the Yankees are already committed to $153.1 million for their top 12 players next year. After they pick up the options for Cano ($12 million) and Swisher ($9.25 million) that goes to $174.35 million for 14 players. Add the salaries (after arbitration raises) for Gardner, Hughes, Chamberlain, Boone Logan and Russell Martin (OK, maybe not Logan), and whatever salary increase that Sabathia gets, and they will be pretty close to their current payroll.
And from a business perspective the Yankees are pretty much all of the Steinbrenners’ wealth; they can’t soak up any losses they absorb. According to Forbes magazine, the Steinbrenner family combined net worth is about $1.3 billion – pretty much on par with their division rivals (Angelos and the Henrys check in at $1.2 billion). Compare their assets to other ML owners, and it’s clear that the Yankees could very easily find themselves outbid.
There's no way the Steinbrothers don't go after a starter
Besides CC, I mean. They’ll definitely break the bank to keep him, but I can’t see them not pushing Cashman (assuming he does remain) to try adding a starter through Free Agency..
I like the idea of CJ Wilson
I know he choked a bit in the postseason, but so did Cliff Lee. Everyone has an off day.
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I don't think the Yanks are going to go after Darvish
They’ve been burned twice with Irabu and Igawa. I think we’ll see a rotation of CC, Nova, Burnett, Hughes and Garcia. If Burnett pitches next year like he did in September and in the ALDS, he’s going to solidify the rotation. I really don’t like that the rotation is righty heavy, it would be nice to have another lefty in there. CJ Wilson could fill that void, but I just don’t see him leaving the Rangers. Unless Manny Banuelos or Dellin Betances has an EXTREMELY impressive spring, I see them starting in Scranton next year.
I'd really hope that Irabu and Igawa aren't reasons they won't sign Darvish.
and even more so hope that Freddy Garcia isn’t on the team next year.
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by Iggy Poptart on Oct 10, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
CC’s due what, $92 million over the next 4 years if he doesn’t opt out? If he does opt out, let him go. No way I’d give him more than what’s left on his contract anyway. Enough of the insanity.
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the Yankees need him though
you can’t easily replace him. the Yankees will give him a brand new contract if he opts out pretty quickly
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by NJsandman on Oct 8, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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Why aren't we talking about TRADING Soriano?
If we are strapped for cash or looking for a trade, the first thing to go should be our $12 million setup man.
He won’t opt out, but he also doesn’t have a no trade. Is there no team out there (like the Dodgers or Angels) with money in need of a closer? The Angels’ bullpen blew a LOT of games this year.
Personally (and I’m thinking of writing a post on this), I would:
1. Re-sign CC for 5/$25-27
2. Throw some real bank at Darvish ($15/year, more if Soriano goes). No other free agent starter is worth the risk.
3. If #2 doesn’t work out, explore a sign-and-trade for a Matt Cain type (let’s say Betances & Nunez & one other).
4. If #3 is impossible, re-sign Garcia on a favorable deal (less than $4) to rotate w. Noesi, Warren, Phelps in the 5th starter role. We’d then have a true 1 (CC), a couple of 3s (Hughes & Nova) & a bunch of 4/5s or developing starters (AJ, Garcia, Noesi).
4. Cut down the bullpen to Mo, Robertson, Soriano, Logan, Wade, Joba (who might be our long reliever now).
I think the Angels are pretty set on Walden.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Oct 8, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That won't work
He really shouldn’t be traded, because the only way they’d manage to trade him is if they agreed to take on at least a portion if not all of his contract. If the Yankees don’t want to pay him 12 million, other teams aren’t going to be too fond of the idea either. And if they’re going to pay his contract, I’d rather it be so he could be a reliable arm for Joe Girardi rather than pay him to close games for a team in the NL.
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No one will trade for him to be their setup guy, but why wouldn’t you trade for him to be your closer?
And I would absolutely trade him & pay half his salary, if that $5-6 million freed up was the difference between signing or not signing a quality #2 SP.
by PortlandYankee on Oct 8, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
no one's trading for Soriano
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Don’t ask for anyone of consequence back; make it a salary dump.
Seriously, is Soriano so bad that no one would take him in a straight dump? If he is, why would you want him on YOUR team?
by PortlandYankee on Oct 8, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of us dont want him on the team.
It’s a travesty that Rafael Soriano (11), Pedro Feliciano (4), Boone Logan (~2 mil in arb 3), Joba Chamberlain (~2 mil in arb 2) and Damaso Marte (250k buyout) will make a combined nineteen million dollars next season. It’s a complete embarassment to the organization and a waste of resources that all this money is used on fungible middle relief. I doubt some team would take MFIKY in a pure salary dump move but if some foolish team does want him Cashman should be all over that.
they'll take him if the Yankees pay his salary
if the Yankees are paying his salary and getting nothing in return, I’d rather him be on the Yankees.
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Who said he was bad?
He’s a very good relief pitcher. But he has an awful contract that other teams won’t want. Period. No closer is worth 12 million- let alone a setup guy. The only closer in the league I’d pay that much is Mo.
And that contract he has will make it impossible to trade him unless the Yankees take his salary. And like I said, paying 12 million for Soriano on the Yankees is better than paying 12 million for Soriano closing on an NL team and nobody in return.
If you don’t want him, your best hope is that he opts out. If he doesn’t opt out (and he probably won’t) then hope he doesn’t hurt the Yankees financially.
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to be fair
he won’t be a closer on other teams
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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 9, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Because on Soriano....
1) He is overpaid
2) He had health issues this season
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3) Never, ever sell low unless you absolutely have to.
by Iggy Poptart on Oct 10, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Exercise
Early in spring training it was reported that Joba and Phil Hughes came into camp out of shape and had to be sent off for extra conditioning. There was even a one liner in the NY Post after the season that Phil wanted to come to camp in better shape. CC came into came into camp in better shape than ever but put the weight back on during the season and became less effective at the end. A-Rod now claims he wants to lose 20 pounds before next spring.
Cashman needs to lay down the law with the team. These guys are making enough money and should be in shape and stay in shape. CC will want years and millions added to his contract, well put some conditioning standards into his contract. Phil and Joba need to know it’s either come into spring in shape or you’ll be in Scranton. Joba may have some leeway seeing he’s coming back from an injury. There’s no excuse for A-Rod at $27 million…none.
The team is getting fat and lazy.
A-Rod saying he wants to lose twenty pounds
does not mean he is carrying twenty pounds of fat. More likely, he’s thinking of trimming some of his upper body muscle mass to become faster and lighter, which would also have the effect of reducing stress on his hips and knees. This is a guy who’s been a fitness fanatic since he joined the league. Calling him fat and lazy is a joke.
by waw on Oct 9, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
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I’ll give you that one on A-Rod, He is a fitness freak but I think it’s more plausible that he might have gained some weight because he was injured and couldn’t work out. If he gives up muscle mass to lose weight he also risks losing power and quickness, not to mention a $30 million incentive to break the HR record.
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