What the Yankees Have To Do To Win Game 5
by jscape2000 on Oct 6, 2011 2:30 PM EDT
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1) Ivan Nova has to shut down the Tigers for 5+ innings, then pass the ball to David Robertson for 2, and Mariano Rivera for 2.
2) Keep the ball away from Rafael Soriano.
3) Arod and Tex have been solid defensively, but we're waiting for them to make an impact at the plate.
4) Curtis Granderson and Robbie Cano need to continue to set the pace for the offense.
5) Swisher, Gardner and Martin have to grind out at bats, driving up the pitch count. No first pitch pop outs.
6) No sacrifice bunts. Play for the big inning and then tack on.
7) No sign of the scrubs just because we're down a run. This is the Yankee offense at Yankee Stadium, we can make up any deficit.
8) Don't let Miguel Cabrera beat you.
9) No bad breaks. No Gary Sheffield and Bubba Crosby colliding in the outfield. No leaving AJ Burnett in the game one batter too long.
10) Make the big play. Every great game has at least one. Mantle outran a line drive to keep Don Larsen perfect. Graig Nettles put on a clinic at third. Jeter made a shovel pass and he went into the stands.
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on all of this—especially the grinding out long at-bats, this is absolutely necessary.
2) Keep the ball away from Rafael Soriano.
While people may think I defend him a little too much (and you’re probably right ), right now I’m only defending him because it makes sense. He just threw an inning and a third on NINE pitches on Tuesday and he was the third best reliever on the Yankees for the second half. He didn’t give up any runs in 10 of his last 11 appearances on the regular season. He’s one of their top late inning relievers. Better than everyone except Robertson and Mo. Why are people so keen to throw him into the mop category?
If you want to hate his contract or hate his personality then thats one thing, but he’s on the team and he can pitch, and that kind of statement with him being singled out sounds as if you want him to be banished into Proctor territory and that just doesn’t make sense. I could be interpretating the statement wrong, but thats just what it sounds like when I read it.
As for the rest, I agree with it for the most part although there are some circumstances late in a game where a sac bunt might make sense. The most important person in this game today is Ivan Nova.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
I’m with you on Soriano.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 6, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If Soriano had been in Proctor territory, we might have won one of those extra inning games against the Rays and Sox at the end of the season.
Yes, Soriano can be brilliant. But when he’s not, he’s brutal. That puts him in Boone Logan territory for me, and that’s not part of my game plan to win Game 5.
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Soriano pitched in that extra inning loss to Boston
And I believe he had a 1-2-3 inning of seven pitches. How he gets lumped into that loss I have no idea.
When any pitcher is off they’re going to be bad and they’re going to hurt the team, but Soriano is a much safer bet than Boone Logan ever will be. He’s brilliant a hell of a lot more than he’s brutal, which he’s shown consistently over the course of the second half with mostly scoreless and often dominant innings. He pitched a lot during the second half of the season and he only really blew up brutally twice, and one of those blow ups was a game that was nothing more than a tuneup for him.
I’ll respect your opinion, but I just don’t think putting Soriano in Boone Logan territory makes any sense at all. He’s a far better pitcher than Logan and is a lot closer to Robertson’s level than he is to Logan.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Oct 6, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
This. This. This.
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by Chris McKeown on Oct 6, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Scooby Snacks on Oct 6, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Oct 6, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well with our Pen at full force
we really don’t need too many innings out of Nova. I say if we score 3-4 runs early we are in a very good position since i believe the pen can hold the fort if push comes to shove.
Mo should be available for two tonight
And maybe Robertson as well (though I’m not sure if they’d use him for two). But still, if Nova can just go five the Yankees have their top three late game relievers to close it out. And they also have CC in the pen as a LOOGY!!! (kidding, I think… you never know).
But it’s Ivan Nova, and he’s been pitching brilliantly all of the second half so I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he gives 6 or 7 strong. And if he gives seven strong, just skip Robertson and go right to Mo.
Gotta score though. Fister is good- hopefully he sucks again.
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I wouldn’t skip Robertson. What happens if Mo gets in trouble? You don’t go down the totem pole.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 6, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess thats just a ridiculous amount of confidence in Mo talking
I wouldn’t mind at all if they went to Robertson, but Mo can pitch two easily and I have full confidence he can do that. Depends on the score. Hopefully it’s just a blowout again and they don’t have to worry about anything.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
I'm not sure I want Mo for 2
I know he’s the greatest and everything, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s called on to get 4 outs (or the last 3 even if the game’s a blowout), but I’m not sure I’m comfortable with him going 2 after he’s done it only twice this year and we have two perfectly capable relievers in Soriano and Robertson
Of course, if Girardi needs him, and Mo says he can go 2, then he will, but I don’t think you should pencil him in for it tonight
I’m really curious to see how Fister is going to use his curveball tonight. It seemed like he was working off of it on Saturday night, and after seeing him just four days ago, I think the Yanks will make the adjustments needed.
Will Fister adjust accordingly? Because I don’t think he has the other stuff to beat the Yankees after he already got knocked around once.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 6, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
I thought Fister was actually very nasty that day
we just caught the breaks to score on him..(mainly because his pen blew up which makes his line look worse).
Nine baserunners in 4 2/3 innings isn’t good.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 6, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He also struck out 6 and walked only 2
he also induced a 53% ground ball rate. We were able to squeak some balls past the Tigers. (like the GGBG 2 out hit). I just thought he pitched better than the result.
Better than the result?
Yes. Very nasty like you said? No. I think it’s in between. His final line would have looked better if Alberquerque had gotten Cano out or if not for a couple little soft hits, but he still wasn’t nearly as good as he’s shown to be capable of being.
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His last ten regular season starts are very misleading. Look at his game log. He pitched against Cleveland (9th AL runs scored) four times alone, and they were terrible after 45 games into the season.
He also pitched against KC (6th AL in runs) twice, Baltimore (7th AL in runs) once, Tampa (8th AL in runs) once, Minnesota (13 AL in runs) once, and Oakland (12th AL in runs) once.
He hadn’t faced an elite offense (Texas) since August third. I think that had a lot to do with him struggling
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 6, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Early on he looked incredibly locked in
like all his pitches were working. But after that Cano double, he unraveled a bit
Which is what I was talking about with his curveball. He made Tex look stupid on it on back-to-back pitches and then K’d him on a change up. From then on it seemed like the Yanks were ready for the breaking ball because they made adjustments.
Fister didn’t make those adjustments and he suffered from it in the middle innings.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 6, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
To be successful, you have to make adjustments against the elite offenses like the Yankees or they will just pick you apart. Middling or terrible offenses like the ones he’s faced over the last two months won’t do that.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 6, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And 90 pitches in those innings. He labored.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 6, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And also, he left with the bases loaded. It’s not like you can reasonably expect your bullpen to get you out of a bases loaded jam, especially with Robinson Cano at the plate.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 6, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing.
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I’d like to see Nova until we get to the heart of their order for the 3rd time in the 6th.
Then go to Soriano, D-Rob, Mo for the last outs, w. Logan as the LOOGY if Avila comes up.
Nova vs. Fister. Home game. Fresh pen. Gotta feel really good coming in to tonight.
Which means we will definitely lose.
Isn't CC available today?
If it’s a big spot and it’s clear they wouldn’t need him for long relief, I’d want CC coming in during a big spot against a lefty, personally. Although they may want to save him for possible extra innings.
Really, it’s all hands on deck tonight. The only pitcher there is absolutely no chance you see tonight is AJ.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
I was thinking about that too, but Logan has 5 BF in this series & 5 Ks.
Shockingly effective, except for that (Jeter-induced) balk.
by PortlandYankee on Oct 6, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Avila has been terrible in this series
Not worth swapping pitchers for
by waw on Oct 6, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And AJax
I don’t want Cabrera to get anything to hit.
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 6, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
What the Yankees need to do to win--
1. Grab the lead. Don’t count on making up late deficits. The entire Tiger staff will be available, including Verlander, if necessary.
2. Manage like it’s the 7th game of the World Series- even if means short-leashing Nova. Expect to see Phil Hughes throwing 96 mph in the 3rd inning if needed.
3. Run the bases agressively (except Posada, who still hasn’t figured out baserunning).
4. If the game is close late, even if ahead by a run, don’t take bats out of the lineup for defensive replacements. The last thing we want to see is Dickerson batting in the 6 hole with men on in the 10th inning.
In the ‘make the big play’ listing above, you left out Granderson from 2 days ago.
by designatedquitter on Oct 6, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
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3. Justin Verlander will not see any action tonight as Tigers manager Jim Leyland has ruled him out. Leyland said he would likely go with Fister, Coke, Benoit, and Valverde. Verlander said he was still going to try and convince him before the game and may even go down to the bullpen for the game just incase.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Oct 6, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I still see him coming in if it’s a close game.
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 6, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He already threw his bullpen today.
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by Scooby Snacks on Oct 6, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Coke?
I’m already celebrating.
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Also read that Scherzer would be available if needed
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YANKEES
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Nick Swisher RF
Jorge Posada DH
Russell Martin C
Brett Gardner LF
TIGERS
Austin Jackson CF
Don Kelly 3B
Delmon Young LF
Miguel Cabrera 1B
Victor Martinez DH
Magglio Ordonez RF
Alex Avila C
Jhonny Peralta SS
Ramon Santiago 2B
Why would you pitch CC if you don't need to?
I know he’s available but if they have a lead and it’s late in the game, the Yankees have plenty of capable late inning relievers that can finish things off. I want CC to get a normal start on normal rest on a normal routine for once if they advance.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
Because in this game I think you want your best pitchers out there.
Nova for 5-6
CC for one inning (Won’t hurt him)
DRob and Mo an inning each.
They’re your four best pitchers. The Tigers won’t have much of a shot if you can get 1 solid inning out of CC.
Residing on the BEast coast.
If he gets through six
Why can’t D-Rob pitch one and Mo pitch two? Or if he gets through five then Soriano pitches one, D-Rob pitches one and then Mo pitches two? Those three are the best three relievers on this team- they’ve been the end of the game formula for months and done well throughout the second half. Mo is fully capable of getting through two six outs if needed and I’d have full confidence in the other two late inning relievers to get the job done if called upon.
CC’s a starter. He never pitches out of the pen, and while he’s capable I’d rather have him on a routine, rather than throw him into a game he doesn’t need to pitch in when they have three late inning shutdown relievers already.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
Mariano two?
I guess. As long as age doesn’t effect him to go two I’m cool with it.
Residing on the BEast coast.
he's a starter, it takes a lot for him to warm up.
it wouldn’t just be the one inning
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Oct 6, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot to add.
If CC gets that 1 inning with the lead because DRob and Mo aren’t letting up a run.
Residing on the BEast coast.
Only in following scenarios
1) Nova doesn’t make it through 3 innings. I would then bring in Hughes for as many outs as he could give and CC to get it to the 7th inning if needed.
2) Extra innings and So-Mo-D-rob have already been used.
Otherwise, CC should not be used in my opinion.
Hello Yankee Fans
While I have lurked in the background for a couple weeks I have just been activated for comments, so I want to start out with a bang:
Only The Binder can beat us. If Nova gets through 6 and The Binder puts in Soriano—when DRob and Mo have essentially not pitched in this series—I will take the stapler that is nearby and use it on my mouth, for the express purpose of not awaking Mickey Mantle.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Oct 6, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Oct 6, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
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Don't Worry I'm Not A Stalker . . .
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I'm confused too . . .
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Know your priorities dude!
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