Tigers Edge Yankees, 5-4, Take ALDS Lead
by Travis G on Oct 3, 2011 11:59 PM EDT
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PrintDetroit took the strategy I wanted the Yanks to take: to make the opposing pitcher work.
Overall though, I'd have to admit that Justin Verlander just pitched better than CC Sabathia. Detroit only had to get one inning from its bullpen while New York needed 2.2.
I think we all knew it was a mistake to let CC start the sixth. He was clearly out of gas in the fifth, and the bullpen was extremely rested. Why not go with the relievers there?
TBS' commentators seemed markedly more excited for the Tigers (and if you've been a member of this site for awhile, you know I never say that).
Oh, Sori. What a let down you've been all year. The home run to Delmon Young in the seventh was probably the icing on that cake. If the Yanks lose the series, that's what you'll be remembered for this offseason.
The middle of the lineup didn't help much either: Cano, A-Rod, Tex and Swisher combined to go 0-14 with two walks.
Both Curtis Granderson and Russell Martin flew out to the warning track in rightfield. Each probably would've cleared the wall in the Bronx. Just too bad how that worked out.
Now the season rests on the shoulders of A.J. Burnett. Oh... my... god...
Play of the Game: One of those rare occasions when the losing team got the biggest hit - GGBG's two-out, two-run double in the seventh that tied the game at four (+29%).
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A-Rod and Tex are a combined 1-21
and because of that, the season rests on the right arm of AJ Burnett
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Let's not forget our captain.
0-4 w/ RISP, 3 K’s.
by Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. on Oct 4, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
With Tex hitting like absolute crap, A-Rod has been getting nothing to hit
Hence the 2 BBs (could have been three, but for the ump’s strike zone). At least A-Rod did something – got on base twice, drove in a run. Left-handed Tex has been worthless.
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by seton hall and steelers on Oct 4, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Enough already.
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."—Billy Martin
by Chris McKeown on Oct 4, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
don't listen to them, i'm a fan of your work
and echo your sentiment
Why dont you go away?
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A.J.'s last 3 starts (most recent first):
vs. Boston: 7.2 ip, 5 h, 2 ER, 2 BB, 6 SO
vs. Minnesota: 4.0 ip, 9 h, 4 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
vs. Seattle: 6.0 ip, 4 h, 2 ER, 2 BB, 11 SO
Minnesota start was a bit rough as far as innings and runs are concerned, but he has kept his walks down, strikeouts up, and held Boston to two runs, a team he has struggled horribly against since coming to the Yankees.
Dude might be hitting his stride at the absolute perfect time. It could be a lot worse. We could have the Burnett that showed up for the first four months of the season going to the mound tomorrow. Instead, we have one who has apparently made a minor adjustment in his delivery that he claims has solved his problems.
Stop spamming the panic button and have a little faith. Yanks pull this out tomorrow and go back to New York.
Boston was in freefall, Seattle and Minnesota were the two worst hitting teams in Major League Baseball by OPS+
by Big D Bam Bam on Oct 4, 2011 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yet when Doug Fister clowns comparable offenses he’s heralded as right-handed Cliff Lee.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Oct 4, 2011 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Remind me again how well that worked out for him?
by Big D Bam Bam on Oct 4, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd be more worried about AJ if he were facing a better pitcher than Porcello
He doesn’t need to shut out Detroit. He just needs to keep the Yankees in the game.
that was not a bad pitch at all. Just great hitting
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by seton hall and steelers on Oct 4, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Its time for A.J. to earn his money
I will forgive him of all his sins if he wins tomorrow
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by seton hall and steelers on Oct 4, 2011 12:03 AM EDT reply actions
Granderson and Martin fly out to the warning track
And the Tigers get 2 YS specials in the Bronx
Some home-field advantage…
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show it.
like last year, if he comes through i will love him forever, if he flops i’ll hate him of course hahaha
Tough loss
Teixeira has to step up tomorrow. I’m really growing tired of Jeter’s lack of ability to hit on the big stage the last couple of years. Soriano has to avoid giving up that run, but sadly it doesn’t surprise me. Still think A.J. pitches great tomorrow.
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I don’t see how you figure that.
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I would have prefered pinch hitting Montero for Martin
"Son, Nobody is half as good as Mickey Mantle"
Martin did hit a looooong fly out.
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Fair nuff
I guess I just want to see Montero actually get a shot in the postseason, and since Posada has been decent, Martin seems like the logical choice
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I really don’t see a situation right now that Montero hits this series. Maybe in the ALCS if they make it.
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If they win tommorow but Martin continues to fail at the plate maybe he makes a game 5 appearance?
I dunno. I was questioning Girardi, but Posada’s hitting has made me question all my perceptions…
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He's not failing at the plate
Higher OBP than Jeter, A-Rod, Tex.
by PortlandYankee on Oct 4, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
All of those guys are failing at the plate too
We don’t have any viable replacements for those guys, whereas Montero is right there ready to go.
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I doubt it, Joe loves Martin.
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He also hates using his backup catcher in the playoffs
Most likely scenario to see Jesus involves him pinch-hitting for Posada against a lefty (really, just Coke)
Or Jones, or Chavez
But it’s getting old watching Jeter try to catch up to fastballs.
by PortlandYankee on Oct 4, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
4 runs off Verlander has to be enough.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 4, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
The Yanks scored 5 runs in 9 innings vs. Verlander
yet all were hearing about is how great Verlander was
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by seton hall and steelers on Oct 4, 2011 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
1 er in 1 IP in GM 1 is how he got 5 runs
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
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Just wanna say, I love Gardner
Proving again why pinch hitting Chavez for him was absolutely fucking stupid! Either way, good luck tomorrow Yankees!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Oct 4, 2011 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
YES
Gardner is the man.
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it's really too bad
he didn’t get traded last year for James McDonald or someone.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 4, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Doom and gloom post.
We’re done. By throwing out AJ, Joe’s basically spotting Detroit six runs or thereabouts. Porcello is the definition of mediocre, but AJ’s been worse.
Hope we make the comeback, but I don’t have high hopes just yet. If we do lose the series, good luck to Detroit, as I’m pretty sure if they get past us they’re going to the WS.
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by WhiteWinterHymnal on Oct 4, 2011 12:09 AM EDT reply actions
*We're not exactly done but I kinda feel this is it but I don't want to admit it
is a better way of saying what I wanted to say than simply stating “we’re done”
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by WhiteWinterHymnal on Oct 4, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
buck up.
It’s not as though the guy pitching for Detroit is much better. That kid is making his first playoff start too.
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by Andrew GM on Oct 4, 2011 12:15 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes but being a rookie pitcher who is questionable...
He will of course throw a perfect game. Only possibility.
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Porcello's not a rookie this is his 3rd full season
He essentially pitched in a playoff game in game 163 during his actual rookie season of 2009. And he actually pitched very well, the bullpen just really failed him that game. However he’s be pretty bad the past two seasons.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit
If this offense can score 4 fucking runs off Justin Verlander, it can shell Porcello tomorrow.
Then we have Nova V. Fister and I like the Yankees chances. Let’s go Yankees.
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MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
Fister was excellent in his last 10 starts against no one. He faced the Indians four (4) times, the Royals twice (2), Baltimore, Tampa, Minnesota, and Oakland once each.
Thats a really nice stretch to face.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 4, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Valverde provides bulletin board material, Girardi folds it up and tucks it into the binder
I was expecting a little more fire. AJ will be fine, its the offense that worries me.
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Great defense too
If there’s one thing I’m happy about is that he’s not letting his struggles at the plate affect him on defense. And he’s made some big plays to get pitchers out of innings this series.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
He had some really good swings today
Against 100 mph fastballs too, so that makes me feel good about the ABs he can have against Porcello tomorrow.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
and his Pudgy Apprentice behind him
ITS CALLED DEFENSE! D.E.F.E.N.S.E.! I MAYBE-I MAYBE WRONG...BUT I DOUBT IT!
Jeter had 2 hits as well didn't he?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I wish Jeter would have just gotten hit there, but of course that isn’t his fault, nor should he have actually done anything differently.
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I disagree, he shouldve done something differently...like get a hit
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Where?
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Let's go ahead and start this up though
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by WhiteWinterHymnal on Oct 4, 2011 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Sounds like a plan
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Mind if I rob this for my userpic for a day?
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Go for it.
I didn’t make it so it’s not my decision haha
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by WhiteWinterHymnal on Oct 4, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I have nothing but the upmost confidence in AJ Burnett
I always have (as many of you know). I wrote a fanpost back in March talking about how AJ might be the key to the Yankees season. And although the season numbers don’t look fantastic, those are over. It’s a new season now, and tomorrow may be the biggest start of his Yankee career. While the World Series game and last years Game 4 were essentially must wins, this is a mathimatical, critical win or go home game that he needs to win. I believe he will rise to the occasion.
Believe in AJ Burnett! And I also think the offense will rip the shit out of Porcello and then I feel good about Nova at the stadium on Thursday. Lets go Yankees!
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*utmost
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by Andrew GM on Oct 4, 2011 12:22 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
This
Typo. I’m tired.
Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!
I envy your optimism. I just wish I knew why you were so optimistic. The man has been terrible for two years.
Of course, he could go out there tomorrow and throw a gem and I’d be really happy, as would the rest of Yankee Universe. I hope for nothing else than for him to be outstanding.
I just don’t know how probable that is.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 4, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember...
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7104165
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He pitched fine in that game
He was left in too long and ran out of gas. And he was a worse pitcher last year and was facing a better offense in a hitters park.
Different season, different team and hopefully different results.
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Lalala can’t hear you!
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by Andrew GM on Oct 4, 2011 12:21 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
There was no ALDS game four last year.
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I want to see this guy tomorrow night
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Oct 4, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeaaaaaaaaaah I know
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Oct 4, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
just a thought, and a worthless one at that
would it have made sense to throw AJ out there tonight in hopes of one of his playing-to-potential gems? when he’s on, he can pitch a LOT better than verlander pitched tonight (results-wise, at least) … and then worst-case scenario is we lose and have CC on regular rest going against a far weaker Porcello tomorrow night to bring it back to the bronx for Nova.
except that throwing cc in game 3
set him up to pitch game 1 if we made the alcs… which sounds like the way to go…
by sing_or_die_1818 on Oct 4, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I know lineup doesn't matter and all
but do you change it at all?
I might consider moving Teix down a spot or two, though I do think he will bounce back.
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Leave it the way it is
No sense in pulling a Joe Torre right now. It’ll just add more potential problems and the batting order isn’t important enough for that.
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give him 10 games and he'll bounce back
when your back’s against the wall, do you count on it for one game though?
I think he’ll get a couple hits tomorrow.
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hope so. but i still say you've got to ride the wave until it breaks
Move Gardner up, maybe even Posada to the 5-hole … move Tex down … move Martin to the dugout, etc. short-term trends are what they are and they must be respected in a 5-game series
Move Martin to Alaska!
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We're all full up here:)
Some of you guys are sounding like the posters over at OTM, totally fatalistic. Have a little faith, and if they lose, hell it was a good ride. At least the Yankees got here, where that other group will always be remembered the worst collapse in baseball history leading up to the playoffs.
Life goes on, it’s just baseball.
I refuse to tiptoe through life, only to arrive safely at death.
Hey, I think I’m one of the very few here that is still fairly confident!
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That would be amazing.
Random prediction of the day is 6 IP 3 hits 2 runs allowed, Yankees win 5-2.
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I'm fairly confident about tomorrow too.
I’d really like AJ to pitch lights out, or at least have this team light up Porcello. I like the Yanks chances if this goes game 5 with Nova pitching.
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I think the winner of game four will win the series. So if the Tigers win of course they win the series, if the Yankees win tomorrow I think they win game five.
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Oh BTW
The Tigers have now hit 3 homeruns that barely squeaked over the wall. Tell me that isn’t luck
That isn't luck
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Nah it is a little bit
Soriano’s pitch to Young wasn’t even that bad. A little up, but on the outside part of the plate. It was just a good piece of hitting. And the others were Yankee Stadium specials.
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sorry (sori)
but i saw the video of that delmon young home run, and it sure looked like sori tossed it right up the middle… disappointing after the way posters here described it as a good pitch. in short, it wasn’t (IMHO)…
bring on good AJ!!!
by sing_or_die_1818 on Oct 4, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Luck is crap like Inge and Santiago owning CC
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by YankeesJets on Oct 4, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why what?
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CC didn't pitch well
Luck is when you get a bunch of hits that squeak through the infield and the like. It is not luck when two mediocre-at-best hitters step up and have a good game against a pitcher who doesn’t have his best stuff.
Its crazy that guys like Miggy cant take advantage of CC but bottom of the lineup garbage can
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Cabrera didn't play at his best tonight, whereas Inge and Santiago did
It happens. It’s not luck, just some guys stepping up. Besides, CC walked Cabrera two of the three times he faced him anyway.
Inge getting a hit off anybody nowadays is luck
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Inge is actually decent against lefties
He had a bad year, to be sure, but was serviceable this year after his stint in the minors and he’s got an .805 OPS against lefties over the past 3 years vs. a .638 OPS against righties.
Inge looked awful this year
Im sure Tiger fans werent expecting him to hit like this. It would be like Yanks fans expecting Jorge to be the best hitter in the playoffs for them.
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Not expected, but not incredibly surprising
Since coming back from the minors, Inge has hit well. In the month of September, he went .324/.429/.471. He’s good when it comes to hitting lefties. Yes, we didn’t expect that he’d provide a ton of offense, but it’s not that surprising that he’s been able to hit against a struggling lefty.
Even in this abortion of a season for Brandon Inge he's been okay against lefties
.717 OPS, certainly not lighting the world on fire but league average ops is what, around .720? Certainly a lot better than his .448 OPS vs Righties
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit
this
cc was far from his best—and, yes, the so-called strike zone sure didn’t help matters, but tip your hat and move on. there’s still baseball to be played… i like the yanks’ chances fine, but IF the tigers win, i’ll root for them to bring detroit its 1st world series in 27 years…
BUT
yanks are gonna get it done!
by sing_or_die_1818 on Oct 4, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
if you throw a fastball in the zone hitters can hit it
3 line drives barely clearing the wall is luck.
I cant call any HR at Tiger Stadium or whatever the hell they call it, lucky
It is very hard to hit HRs there, cant call it lucky.
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really? if the ball was an inch or two lower or it would have stayed in the park. the two hr in YS would also been like that. I doubt Young was aiming right for the area above the wall.
Okay, Yanks were just unlucky
Unlucky they have a whole lot of hitters that have forgotten how to hit in the post season. Im still not calling HRs in Comerica unlucky when in YS those are deep HRs.
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It's lucky because we happen to be playing in the park at the time
we can’t change parks and say well in YS…. In this park it was lucky HR. Like how in fenway a hr off the pesky pole is due to luck of it not going foul.
You can pretty much call anything that happens in a game lucky or unlucky
Tigers were “lucky” CC didnt have his best stuff. Yankees were “unlucky” that Tex and Jeter cant do anything.
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I just dont see how the HRs are lucky
The batter made a good swing, the ball is gone.
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Young had no control over the flight or height of the ball
Jeter and Tex has control over their plate approach
So Tex and Jeter are unlucky that the bat missed the ball.
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No that was just bad hitting
you’re not getting the point. I’m not discrediting young for making a good swing. Rather the ball just clearing the wall rather hitting it for a loud single or a double is not in his control
You can pretty much say Tigers are lucky they didnt go with higher walls out there
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Wow dude...the flight of the ball
is that really that hard to understand that the ball taking the projection it did off the bat was luck since young can’t precisely hit it or aim it at a certain vector so the ball just clears the wall on descent?
So Yanks lost the game due to bad luck
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Im not being dense, I am entitled to my opinion
I dont see the HRs as lucky, is that okay?
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chance is involved in every batted ball
by brighten the corners on Oct 4, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
By this theory every HR is lucky
and every hit is lucky. Your point is stupid.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit
what? Not every HR is competely luck
Liek one that goes 400 ft is not lucky while one that scrapes the wall is. A grounder between two fielders is more lucky than a line drive to the gape. Just because you don’t understand how BABIP works doesn’t make it stupid. Unless hitter can precisely aim where their hits are going, there is going to be luck involved. And i guarantee no hitter can precisely aim where their hit is going. All they can do is make good contact. That’s what good hitters do, which is make good contact and hit the ball hard so it has a better chance of landing for a hit. So your point is stupider.
No actually I do understand how BABIP works, however you clearly do not
Comerica Park is one of the largest parks in baseball, just barely clearing the wall would be rows deep in most park, especially in YS. You’re also trying to have it both ways, if you want to go true BABIP theory about home runs you follow the theory of HR/FB rates, essentially after a hitter his a fly ball he has no control over whether or not it will be a home run and that a hitters HR/FB rater will converge to a mean. This is what you have been trying to say. However you undermined this by saying
Liek one that goes 400 ft is not lucky while one that scrapes the wall is.
According to HR/FB theory this statement doesn’t make a lot of sense, because a ball can travel 400 ft in some parks and not clear the wall. Like the Blast Miguel Cabrera hit to the warning track in straightaway center, which in Comerica Park is 420 Feet. His ball went about 415 feet. If it had gone 421 feet and cleared the wall would it have been lucky?
You’re trying to have it both ways.
You also say:
All they can do is make good contact. That’s what good hitters do, which is make good contact and hit the ball hard so it has a better chance of landing for a hit.
Are you saying Delmon Young didn’t make good contact? Because if he made good contact then it’s not luck, but you’re insisting it’s luck because it just cleared the wall.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit
Read above
i credit young with good contact. The luck was in the projection of the ball just clearing the wall since he didn’t precisely hit it so it took the flight it did. If he was even a cm off the result might be it not clearing the wall. Just like with BABIP if a guy hits line drive right at a fielder because the hitter has little control over the path of the ball. The point is that when a guy put a ball in play or hits ball he has little control over where the ball lands or such. and yes i know young’s HR isn’t calculated in BABIP.
What I'm taking issue with is calling him lucky
With BABIP and HR/FB theory no single play can be considered lucky, since there is always a probability of it happening. Only once you have a large sample size of data can you determine if a player was lucky or not. You say that he was lucky because if he was off by a cm it wouldn’t be a home run, once again if this is luck then every HR is luck. A baseball only has a radius of less than 4 cm. 1 cm can be the difference between popping the ball up and driving it into the dirt.
You can not simultaneously praise Young for making good contact while also claiming that the HR was lucky.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit
Also Home Runs are not included in BABIP
Because they are not in play.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit
i know that but there is still luck in hoemruns
A wallscapper has the same result as a towering homerun. But you can argue one is clearly luckier than the other. The 400 ft argument was a bad example but also shows that there is luck as if he hits it in say YS it would be gone no? He made great contact hit it hard and got nothing. How is that not luck? Also in 2009 Arod hit a homerun that bounced off a camera. Are you going to argue that him hitting the camera isn’t lucky? Look at the ESPN homerun tracker you;d see homeruns that are considered just enough and those that are categorized as goners.
And i meant to say not every HR is considered completely lucky, but wall scapers tend to have more of luck factor. In game one Cano could have had two homeruns if his first double bounced into the seats rather back in play. Is that not luck that the ball bounced the way it did? Certainly cano had no power over how the ball bounced when it hit the top of the wall.
The problem with the ESPN Homerun tracker
Is that it doesn’t adjust the Just enough and no doubters for a standard park size.
What I’m saying is that if you’re going to bring in batted ball theory you have to throw the entire concept of luck out of the window.
You bring up Cano’s hit off the top of the wall, you can say he is unlucky for it coming back in, but you can also say he is lucky because in pretty much any other stadium it never even gets close to the wall.
The problem will calling run scrapers lucky is that yes, they could have fallen 1 foot shorter but they also could just as easily gone 1 foot deeper. And what I’m saying is if you look at the home run, and if it would be a home run in an average ball park (which is not Comerica Park) then it’s not considered lucky.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit
To determine whether a HR is lucky or not
You can’t look at how close or far it is from the wall, but instead you have to look at how close or far it would be from the wall of an average ballpark. All HRs hit into the short porch in YS are lucky, pretty much no HR hit in Comerica Park is lucky.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit
I know that
but for Comerica Park it is lucky that it got out. I would not be saying it was lucky in YS since that would be a no doubter. But the probability that the ball had enough height and ended up in the right area of this park to go out is not exactly super high. Hence i said it was “lucky”
If this is your definition of lucky fine.
Don’t bring batted ball theory into the discussion because it doesn’t support what you are saying.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit
funny
how come their team got lucky and ours didn’t? i’m thinking winners make their own luck, basically… if we actually start hitting, we’ll get “lucky”, too
by sing_or_die_1818 on Oct 4, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
I freely admit the balls and strikes were not well called tonight. Very inconsistent on the left side of the plate and up in the zone. Verlander’s gotten that a fair amount this season, either because the umps are predisposed to give him calls or because they have difficulty calling 100 MPH fastballs (or both). And it doesn’t help when you’ve got so many lefties and the strikezone favors strikes off the left corner.
all the detroit "luck" in the world doesn't mean shit
if our guys who get paid to drive in runs do just that in only a couple of the many chances they’ve had to do so. not to sound cliché, but there’s been no magic the last couple of days. yes, delmon young hurt us big tonight, but come on. do something, 3,4,5 guys.
It would be weird to have a series that the Yankees don’t use Mariano. Let’s hope he closes it out tomorrow.
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That shows
how much closers are overvalued (at least compared to SP). I love Mo as much as the next guy, but if you don’t have a lead to protect, what good he do?
Yep, definitely. It’s sort of sad seeing him sit out there with no chance to help the team until they get a lead in the late innings.
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We can haz a few runs from game one at other times?
Please? It might help!
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Its now or Go Home Early Again Under Girardi
Game 4 should be an offensive slugfest. Neither starting pitcher has respectable ERA.
The game will be won by Shrewdest Manager.
If Girardi can pull Burnett soon enough[ b4 allowing 6 runs] Yankees might have shot @ winning. Yankees have superior Holds Pitchers[Cory Wade,Logan &Roberson & of Mario].
The money players are going to have to wake their bats.
To Rosebud & the other blind Yankee fans , if the Yankees fail, its because of Girardi’s poor Managerial skills.
Look at who it is. Mr. Keyboard Manager.
Admit it, you take joy in watching the Yankees lose, don’t you?
by Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. on Oct 4, 2011 1:48 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
What if Yanks fail and AJ loses 1-0 on a 6th inning HR
while pitching a no-hitter?
Is that a Girardi fail?
Doesn’t good science let facts dictate results? You are presuming a result based on an anticipated experience — which everyone knows is just bad thinking.
F. Class dismissed.
Oh… my… god…
Yup, pretty much.
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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 4, 2011 12:49 AM EDT reply actions
The fix was in; it took til the 4th inning be4 Giardi stated that Sabitha was not getting any strike calls.
In fact, not only was Sabitha not getting strike calls inside the ball tracker box, but Verlander got maybe
20 strikes called OUTSIDE the ball tracker box. If we had a decent manager, he wouldn’t whine to the
commentators and INSTEAD complain to the home plate umpire. Who cares if Girardi gets thrown out,
but at least the focus in the games would have been on the home plate umpire who threw the gm. I
saw this happen in the NBA; I hate to see the same garbage happen in MLB= This umpire flat out threw the gm
I did think Girardi needed to go get thrown out of the game to fire up the troops
Ump was awful and Girardi knew it.
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I agree 100%
Especially after Girardi told the broadcast booth that he was not happy with the zone.
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2011 Philadelphia Eagles-Its not so sunny in Philadelphia anymore.
by Livestrong77nyy on Oct 4, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
And that Game 2 Ump, the "no hitter umpire"
When will they let the damn computers do this job?!?
"Son, Nobody is half as good as Mickey Mantle"
I'd be happy if they just held umps accountable for blatantly terrible results
Like “electrodes to the gonads” accountable
If an ump has a reputation as a hitter-friendly or pitcher friendly ump
then they aint doing their job right.
"Son, Nobody is half as good as Mickey Mantle"
Oh god, the umps also shot Kennedy
Yanks didnt deserve to win this game, they didnt get big hits when they needed too and their ace didnt bring his A game.
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What game were you watching?
Gardner’s got a huge hit and tied it up. For the second night in a row, the Yankees got to Valverde and had the tying run on base. Nobody gets it done every time, but you have to give this team credit for fighting back against excellent pitching.
And for the second game in a row, they didnt get the hit they needed to win the game
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They got big hits. Detroit just got more big hits tonight.
by waw on Oct 4, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yanks just failed to build on anything
Jeter pretty much is the last guy I want at the plate in a big moment right now. As far as fighting back against excellent pitching, after a few times facing the same pitcher, the hitter usually has the advantage especially against a pitcher nearing 100 pitches. Like I said, Yanks have failed to get hits when they needed them most. They had Valverde on ropes two days in a row and failed both times.If they succeed one time, they are the team playing to move on tomorrow.
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Batters tend to fail more often than they succeed.
by waw on Oct 4, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
True but pitchers usually arent as effective the third time through a lineup
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And Verlander wasn't, that's when he gave up the tying runs
The ninth inning is another story – No one had seen Valverde three times. I feel like he’s got a blown save in him just itching to get out. Tomorrow is another day.
by waw on Oct 4, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
We can agree that we both want to see that pretty badly
But id rather we win 9-0 so we dont even have to see that douche
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I loved how Brian Anderson called that huge hit
He was so ecstatic that Smoltz had to calm him down. That guy is a real pro in the booth
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by Livestrong77nyy on Oct 4, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
i give them credit for a good effort
and rue too little, too late… i think yankeesjets got it about right…
time to give it a rest and root for our guys again today…
by sing_or_die_1818 on Oct 4, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
Rec’d
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That was quite funny
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While it does suck being down 2 games to 1...
…we knew going into this game that the Yankees had to win one game in Detroit, and that winning against Verlander would be tough. Now we have AJ (!) against Porcello, and a chance to even it up and send the series back to New York. It’s not time to step off the ledge quite yet!
Good AJ shows up
and then Ivan Nova shuts em down in the Bronx. Right? Right?
"Son, Nobody is half as good as Mickey Mantle"
Sounds like the plan
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I am comtemplating which one is gonna come first aj gives up 4 runs in 4 innings or the suck town trio will get a hit .
by alweezy61 on Oct 4, 2011 12:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
everyone has to remember that postseason series are incredibly small sample sizes
and that the best team in baseball doesn’t always win. even perennial contenders don’t win the world series very often. frankly, people shouldn’t take the playoffs that seriously but should enjoy the season and the bragging rights for a year if their team wins it all.
by brighten the corners on Oct 4, 2011 1:05 AM EDT reply actions
The playoffs are a crap shoot
But that doesn’t mean we have to be happy when our team loses!
by waw on Oct 4, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
well yeah
but most people forget about the postseason loss rather quickly and look forward to the next season where the process begins again
by brighten the corners on Oct 4, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Good points
Remember when the Nats took 2 of 3 from the Yanks in ’09?
It’s unfortunate that a very good season (97 wins) might be considered a failure because the Yanks drop 3 of 4/5 because they just happen to be in October. But this is what Bud Selig wants (upsets and small sample sizes). Just wait til when the “excitement” of a 163rd game is forced upon us 2x/year, every year. His thinking is akin to: one scoop of ice cream is good, therefore 20 scoops is great.
by Travis G on Oct 4, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is pretty much how I view things
We are very capable of beating the Tigers in a short series. They are also very capable of beating us. Look at the Rays the last two weeks of the season. We won 3 out of 4 one series, and they swept us another with one game being a game almost 95% of the time we win if we pitch our best bullpen relief.
The playoffs are an absolute crapshoot. All you can really do is hope they win.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Oct 4, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Well that was unfortunate
The DS is never good on the heart. The most frustrating thing for me is that the anti-Rivera has closed out the last two wins for the Tigers. I know Jorge Posada has put in a string of professional ABs this series, but I feel Montero can give this lineup a jolt of energy that it needs. I have faith in this team to get a win tomorrow with the season on the line. I also have this weird confidence in AJ. Hopefully the confidence is well placed. Go Yanks!
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No way to you take out Jorge's bat now...
He’s one of like three guys contributing. I would actually prefer puttin Jorge at first for Tex and DHin Montero. I know that’s crazy but Tex and Swish are completely inept offensively and Montero really isn’t neutralized by righties.
ITS CALLED DEFENSE! D.E.F.E.N.S.E.! I MAYBE-I MAYBE WRONG...BUT I DOUBT IT!
Watch AJ
step it up and have the best game of his career.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
MonSTARZ forever!
Did anyone remember
Right before the home run that Sori gave up, one of the announcers actually said something like “Watch this pitch, he loves to go after the first pitch fast ball,” or something like that, and BOOM, it was gone.
Maybe I am oversimplifying things, but if the announcer knows that a guy is gonna smash a first-pitch fastball, maybe the first pitch can be something else, maybe, or at least not get as much plate? I know that people here said it was a good pitch but it was still a fast ball in over the plate to a guy who at least one person in the booth thought would feast on such a thing.
Delmon Young has deposited a first pitch fastball into the seats twice now.
Same location up and away. I see it, you see it. So don’t do it.
Boston, here we come
Move over cause we are coming to join you. Soriano needs to opt out or we need to let him go. Tex you are a good defensive first baseman but couldn’t get a hit (anytime of the year) when we need it if the ball was on a tee. So long to you, also. Our season now hangs in the balance with AJ and who knows what we may get. 10 run 1st inning, with Joe giving him a chance to turn it around, or a no hitter thru 7. We will know by 9:30 pm EST. So long to you also and lets bring up some kids so we can get them some innings. Our team is getting old and we can’t be sentimental.
by Southern Yankee boy on Oct 4, 2011 8:57 AM EDT reply actions
This "old" team
won 97 games, the most in the AL, in (probably) the toughest division in baseball. Anything can happen over a handful of games.
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