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My Plan for the Perfect New York Yankees Off-Season

The most dangerous words a writer can utter to New York Yankees fans is to "be patient." Well, for the 2011-early 2012 off-season, that is what the Yankees need to do.

Simply put, the Yankees management should put their 100% effort into winning the 2012 World Series, but should not make unnecessary moves based off of panic about not winning the World Series in two seasons.

Keeping in mind both patience and the desire to win, here is my updated plan for the Yankees off-season.

-The Yankees should avoid C.J. Wilson no matter what.

Wilson is likely to receive a deal similar to A.J. Burnett's 5 year $82 million deal that the Yankees gave him back in '08 off-season. Burnett was definitely not worth the money, and C.J. Wilson is no different. Wilson notoriously has trouble finding the strike zone, and in the AL East that problem will be magnified. Wilson's post-season numbers are troubling, and the lefty has said multiple times he does not enjoy pitching in cold weather.

The Yankees do not have to overpay for C.J. Wilson just because he is one of the top two pitching free agents in an off-season that their pitching depth is questionable. The other top free agent is....

-Yu Darvish should be pursued, but not given a massive contract.

The posting fee does not matter much, as I do not believe it counts towards the luxury tax. The argument has been made repeatedly that Darvish is pitching against AAAA hitters at best, but that is not a concern, as he has shut down hitters in the World Baseball Classic, and has impressed American scouts. Still, I do not want the Yankees to overpay for Darvish. I am willing to give Darvish a 5 year $60 million deal, and am willing to listen to arguments that the Yankees should give more/less to Darvish. Darvish is certainly an intriguing case.

According to some fans, however, the Yankees should give Darvish any amount of money if the Yankees top pitcher opts out of his contract. That pitcher is...

-CC Sabathia should not be given more than a five year contract under any circumstances.

I have heard many times that the Yankees should simply give CC Sabathia a blank check because of the Yankees' pitching depth problems, but I could not disagree any more. The Yankees should never sign a player to an unreasonable deal just because they have a need at that position. A deal can always be worked out with another player or another team (in a trade) that suits the team better.

I am willing to give CC a five year deal worth approximately $115 million over five years, which would be adding one year to his current contract, but that is it. The Yankees need to save their money for the rest of my plan, which is...

Star-divide

-The Yankees should pick up Nick Swisher's option, spend on bench and compliment players, and either make a trade this off-season, wait until the 2012 Trade Deadline, or wait until after the 2012 season to get another pitcher.

To me, picking up Swisher's option is a no brainer. The only other right field options are a platoon, or signing Carlos Beltran. I do not see why the Yankees would let Swisher go and settle for a platoon, and I especially do not see why the Yankees would pick an older, injury prone option in Beltran over Swisher.

As for the bench, it appears that Eric Chavez will retire. Chavez will need to be replaced, along with a few other minor parts. My suggestions for those replacements are....

-Keep Nunez on the active roster, re-sign Andruw Jones, sign Jerry Hairston Jr. or .

Eduardo Nunez should work on his defense during Spring Training, but other than that he does not struggle enough to merit a demotion.

When analyzing the free agent class for utility players, four names jumped out at me. Michael Cuddyer, Andruw Jones, Jerry Hairston Jr., and Ryan Doumit.

Michael Cuddyer can play 1b/3b, rf/lf, but is likely to get a starting job elsewhere. If not, the Yankees should jump on the opportunity to sign him. Ryan Doumit is the same case, but he also plays catcher.

Andruw Jones is known for his ability to hit lefties, while Jerry Hairston Jr. hit righties much better in 2011 than lefties. The two could compliment each other as bench players for the Yankees. Meanwhile, a bunch of minor league invites should be offered, including to...

-Eric Hinske, Russell Branyan, Casey Blake, and Andy LaRoche should all get minor league offers if they do not sign elsewhere.

Hinske would be a fantastic addition as a super-utility player/bat vs. right handed pitchers. I would not be upset with offering him a major league deal, either.

Russell Branyan has always interested me, as his swing is perfect for Yankee Stadium, and he plays multiple positions. Despite that, he does not hit much anymore, so he is not worth a major league deal.

Casey Blake will likely get a major league deal elsewhere, but he reminds me exactly of Eric Chavez. Would be a nice addition.

Andy LaRoche is a young former top prospect that could surprise a lot of people. Worth taking a chance on. Speaking of worth taking a chance on, some pitchers are, too....

-Such as Michael Gonzalez on a one year deal only.

Relievers should only be signed to one year deal. Gonzalez might be a tough sign, but on a one year deal he would be worth it. Lefties hit .213 vs. Gonzalez in his career. Of course, the Yankees do have in house options....

-Kevin Whelan and Kevin Whelan should be given every chance possible to make the MLB club. Rather than signing any free agents, Whelan can replace Luis Ayala, who should be let go. Whelan needs to get a fair chance in the MLB. As for the starters....

-Chris Capuano, Freddy Garcia, Rich Harden, Mitch Talbot, Chien-Ming Wang, and Chris Young should all be offered minor league deals.

I expect one of these pitchers to make the MLB roster as the fifth starter, due to the Yankees losing out to another team in the Yu Darvish bidding. My prediction is that the Toronto Blue Jays sign Yu Darvish, and the Yankees are left without many options, and settle for one of these starters. I actually do not mind that possibility.

Bartolo Colon is deserving of a long relief minor league contract only, but I think another team will give him a starting minor league deal, which he would accept over a relief deal from the Yankees.

Finally, here is my preferred Yankees 2012 roster.

C- Jesus Montero, Russell Martin

1B- Mark Teixeira

2B- Robinson Cano, Jerry Hairston Jr.

3B- Alex Rodriguez

SS- Derek Jeter, Eduardo Nunez

OF- Brett Gardner, Curtis Granderson, Nick Swisher, Andruw Jones

SP- CC Sabathia, Ivan Nova, A.J. Burnett, Phil Hughes, Chien Ming Wang/Chris Young/David Phelps/Adam Warren/Hector Noesi competition for spot, OR traded for starting pitcher.

RP- Joba Chamberlain, Boone Logan, Hector Noesi, Mariano Rivera, David Robertson, Rafael Soriano, Cory Wade, Kevin Whelan/Mike Gonzalez if the Yankees can sign him

Thoughts?

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Love the emphasis on patience

Yankees made a ton of moves after the 2008 season, and that worked out nicely. However i think that is more the exception than the rule. There is a lot of potential with pitching in AAA for next season, so the front office shouldnt be sending out blank checks for ridiculous amount of years on every player.

That being said, CC is going to be a very interesting case, hopefully they get his contract locked up before he can even opt out and avoid dragging it out ala Jeter last year.

Overall i completely agree, most of the moves being made should be for bench players and AAA options.

by GriffMan on Oct 28, 2011 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

No Garcia in your roster?

So you think he’ll get a ML offer to start for another team and he’ll skip town?

I think he proved enough last year to at least slot him in as the #5 guy

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by Sgurd0187 on Oct 28, 2011 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

So you think he’ll get a ML offer to start for another team and he’ll skip town?

Yep that’s it

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by Brandon C. on Oct 28, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yankees and the 2012 Season

Sorry about that I hit the wrong key on my earlier psot. Let’s try again.

Well first I disagree about CC. I’d start out with a 5 year deal and if necessary which I think it is would bump it up to 6 years $145 to $150M. No guaranteed 7th year but a vesting option for a 7th year with the caveat that if he’s on the DL at the end of either the 5th or 6th year the vesting option is void I could live with. I also could be persuaded to add a “milestone” incentive for 300 wins into the contract.

The only other thing I wish the Yankees would do is go after another starting pitcher a lefty. Either Buehrle or a trade for Danks. About Darvish I would pursue him but not at any cost. For me that means a posting fee of $35 to $45M and a contract of 5 years at $35 to $45. Total combined cost $70 to $90M somewhere in the middle would be nice. For that I think he’s worth the risk.

Just my thoughts.

by NY Baseball Fan on Oct 28, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

That Starting Rotation is shaky

CC is good, Nova is probably good, Hughes might be good, Burnett isn’t good, and the last spot is a crap-shoot. With an aging offense we can’t keep relying on high scores to keep our starters out of trouble. I think we need to add another starter of the ‘probably good’ variety to have ANY shot at winning next year.

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by ntrokel on Oct 28, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m fine with adding Edwin Jackson or Mark Buehrle on a one year deal, but that isn’t going to happen.

There’s no need to make a panic move and sign a guy that won’t help the future as much as another option that isn’t open yet will. The rotation will be fine, and there can be additions at the deadline if necessary.

I think Burnett will have a good season.

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by Brandon C. on Oct 28, 2011 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Burnett??

Brandon, what in AJ’s past 2 years with the Yankees gives you any reason for hope? He’s been worse than terrible.

by NY Baseball Fan on Oct 28, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why, I just feel confident about it. I didn’t really think he would do well this past season. Maybe I’ll be right again!

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by Brandon C. on Oct 28, 2011 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Burnett

Brandon, I hope you are right. But I’m reminded of a proverb: “Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.”

by NY Baseball Fan on Oct 28, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boom!

Anybody who thinks Burnett is suddenly going to get better at this age is fooling their self.

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by david d on Oct 28, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

You never know!

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by Brandon C. on Oct 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You never do know

But to rely on something like that is just unwise. We cant have THREE spots in our rotation filled by maybes, yaneverknows, and what ifs. Especially when one of your other two starters is a young guy with questionable peripherals.

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by ntrokel on Oct 28, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree not to make him a guy they have to rely on

But I do believe that he will have a good season next year. I think if he’s the #4 starter going into the season I am very confident, because I feel he can pitch like a #3.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

you never know?

Burnett needs to get in the pen. He will be the 2nd highest paid long reliever next to Zombrano. That should make him feel important enough to pitch well.

by spankbank on Oct 31, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. We can wish or hope, but there’s another saying about wishes…

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 28, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he wins the Cy Young

Well, not that much. But I do think he’ll have a good year next year. And I don’t believe I am fooling myself when I say that.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

the way he pitched at the end of the year

similar to Curtis Granderson, you’d be fooling yourself to think something hasn’t changed with him.

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 28, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was better last year than his numbers show

And he was very good in the last month and a half after he did work with his mechanics. He doesn’t throw 96 anymore (at least not consistently) but if he can continue to work on those mechanics that led to his strong finish to 2011 I think he’ll have a good 2012.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burnett??

I do think as we have lower expectations for a Burnett that we can have hope he will be a serviceable 4 or 5 man in the rotation.
Anything more than that is pure hope.

by ABMANTLE on Oct 28, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Burnett and Serviceable

Abmantle, you are absolutely correct. I have no doubt that Yankees fans have lowered their expectations of Burnett. And we continue to lower them with each passing year. My problem with Burnett and “expectations” is that even if you look at him as a #4 or #5 starter shouldn’t we have a right to expect more then just the very, very, occasional “quality” start 6 innings/3ER’s from him? And for the past 2 years I don’t think we have seen him string 2 or 3 “quality starts” together in a row. That’s my problem with him.

by NY Baseball Fan on Oct 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are making too much sense

Not over pay CC? Restraint on Darvish? Nice post. Lots of common sense. Couple thoughts…

Agree with NYBF, Yanks may have to go for 6 years for CC but that would be my max unless he is pitching lights out in his mid-30s.

Need to have 3 good starters (CC, Nova, Hughes) and three more OK starters (AJ, Garcia and ….?) to make it through a 162 game season. Not sure about Noesi as a starter but he could surprise. I’d go after Buehrle but actually landing him is a long shot. Might expect Brackman to be in the pen next year.

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by MSP Giant on Oct 28, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I really hope they get Darvish. If he’s half as good as scouts think he will be, he would solve our rotation issues.

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by Wraithpk on Oct 28, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Patience is good

But a 5 year, $115 million deal isn’t going to get it done with Sabathia.

When it comes to free agents, the rule for big market teams like the Yankees it to pay what it takes to sign the cream of the crop, and avoid the bloated middle section (CJ Wilson, AJ Burnett).

Sabathia is one of the five best pitchers in baseball, and for a guy like you pay what it takes to sign him. You don’t bid against yourself either, but you pay what it takes to sign him.

Jesus Montero has to be a full-time catcher, or the Yankees have to trade him. One or the other. Based on the age and contracts of the other players on this team, that's the only place he fits long-term on the Yankees roster.

by 3460kuri on Oct 28, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll give in and give more money, just not more years. I don’t care how good the pitcher is, I don’t want to pay a 37 year old $25 million.

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by Brandon C. on Oct 28, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Noone's worth $25M at 37 ??

Brandon, if Doc Halladay’s contract expired this year (BTW, he’s turned 34 in May) as GM of the Phillies you wouldn’t offer him a 3 year deal for $75M. Is that basically what you are saying?

by NY Baseball Fan on Oct 28, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roy Halladay is in his own league.

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by Brandon C. on Oct 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep CC not matter what

I would go 6 years and 150 million for CC, no more. Try to sign CJ Wilson since we need another lefty but don’t offer too much. Thanks to his postseason the asking price may have dropped. Try for Darvish also. He has a very high upside. The moves for the offense make sense but pitching wins championships. We lost two games where we gave up 5 runs to Detroit. Better pitching gives up less runs in those games and we win them instead of losing them. It was not just the fault of the offense we lost those close games.

by yankeefan4ever2 on Oct 28, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

all nice but..

Great take on things. However, lack of clutch post season hitters leaves a bleak outlook. Lack of flexibility to get rid of playoff no-shows leaves a bleaker outlook. Watching game last nite, there were more clutch hits in a span of 3 innings than Tex-Arod-Swisher has had since they signed.

by mspcpa on Oct 28, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Post Season Clutch

Can Montero be that clutch hitter by the time next post seaon arrives? I believe people are so high on Montero that they would not trade for a Felix Hernanez. If he matures by next post season and arod / Tex regress then Joe needs to bat him after Cano. Cano 3 and Montero 4/5 can be clutch. Or Grandy 3, Cano 4 and Montero 5 ny next post season.

by ABMANTLE on Oct 28, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Horse Nostrils

A-Rod in 2009 alone had more clutch hits than there have been in this whole post season. He carried that team all year and through the playoffs.

by d_c_guy on Oct 28, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't expect anyone to remember ancient history

And by ancient, I of course mean anything beyond the past 2 weeks.

by waw on Oct 28, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Arod

Trust me I hope Arod can bounce back. I hope he stays healthy. I like Arod but I can not ignore the recent injuries and lack of pop.

by ABMANTLE on Oct 28, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

arod

one good post season as a yankee since 04. yes, give him credit for 09, but the last 2 years prove that 09 was a fluke, and that 04 – 07 playoff performances were the norm. you’re talking about a franchise player.

by mspcpa on Oct 28, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was good in '04 as well

All it really proves is that it was a small sample size. And that A-Rod, more than any other Yankee, cannot afford to ever have a bad game, because it brings out all of the “he’s a choker” nonsense.

by waw on Oct 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t feel it is “nonsense”. Other than ’09, he really does look awful at the plate in high leverage situations.

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by david d on Oct 28, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong

Not even close to true, and if you are using an extremely limited sample size of playoff games as your evidence, it’s simply not enough.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Small sample size?

2004 – 2011 is a small sample size? that’s a career.

by mspcpa on Oct 28, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a 196 ABs in the postseason. yea that’s definately a “career” worth of at bats..if that career was 2 months long.

by lololol on Oct 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

derp

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 28, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, and of those postseasons

2004 was very good, 2007 was OK (there were certainly players that year who were worse), and 2009 was one of the single best postseason performances of all time.

And 2004-2011 is hardly a career worth. You clearly hate A-Rod, but making things up isn’t going to help your case.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you bother to take the time to look up his postseason numbers, you’d see he has preformed as well as, if not better than a supposed “clutch” player since 2004…you know that Jeter Fella.

by lololol on Oct 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

arod fan club

we all might be die hard yankee fans at pinstripe alley, but clearly we are watching two different teams. didn’t realize this blog was the arod fan club. i’ll tell you this, if some team offered to take arod and his full contract and offered nothing in return, cashman would jump at it.

by mspcpa on Oct 28, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

So using evidence to prove a point in favor of A-Rod makes this the "arod fan club"?

A-Rod has been by far the most productive Yankee and most important Yankee since he came here in 2004. Pretending that he’s been anything different is ridiculous. As for the postseason, Jeter gets a free pass and most Yankee fans think he’s the clutchest player in the world and A-Rod is the biggest choker in the world when in reality, Jeter has been no better in the playoffs than A-Rod has. Thats a fact.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah what's with all the people on this blog rooting for a player on the Yankees?

It’s so weird!

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by Briceratops on Oct 28, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if we’re watching two different thing then tell me; who was the most productive player in the last decade? I mean i always thought it was Arod, but apparently i’m being deceived by my TV, the numbers and everything else. If point out the numbers which supports Arod being a good player is being a fanboy, then fine i’m in the “Arod fanclub”. What you going to do about it?

Also his contract sucks, i’ve always said it, but the player himself has always been very good.

by lololol on Oct 28, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better than very good

The player himself is one of the best players to ever put on a Yankee uniform. There’s a reason the Yankees gave him that contract, however bad it may look to some people right now.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

His 2009 postseason wasn't "good."

It was one of the single best postseasons of any Yankee in history. 2005-2007 and 2011 the team played in a combined eighteen games, that’s an extremely limited sample size.

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by Briceratops on Oct 28, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

2007 wasn't even that bad

He was 4/15 with 1 HR and 1 RBI. There were certainly guys that series who were worse. Jeter was horrendous that series, but yet so many seem to forget it.

And I love Derek Jeter- he’s my favorite player. But it bothers me that people give him and many others a free pass whenever he sucks in the playoffs.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

people forget that Jeter did shit in 2004 too. a .600 OPS didn’t help much.

by lololol on Oct 28, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

But yet, in every article talking about the Yankees and 2004, I read about how A-Rod choked in the postseason, went 0-4 in Game Seven and let the entire city down.

The only players who hit in the latter part of that series were Matsui and Bernie. The other seven starters did shit, but A-Rod is the only one ever mentioned.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arod was one of the biggest reason we got up 3-0 in the first place in 2004.

by lololol on Oct 28, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

numbers guy

one solo hr and .266? that’s ok for your # 8 hitter. He’s was a great regular season #‘s guy, was the guy to get you to the playoffs, was a great fantasy team guy. isn’t any of these any more. and except for 09 was never a guy that could carry your team in the post season. Tex is the same exact guy, less the one great post season, and not breaking down from steriod abuse like arod is. we have 2 of them in the middle of our lineup. i love the team, but this is the grim reality.

by mspcpa on Oct 28, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it's not "grim reality."

You can’t make any meaningful observations based on eighteen games over four different years.

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by Briceratops on Oct 28, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where can i find a number 8 hitter who has a .800 OPS? A lot of his “failures” are extremely small sample sizes. In fact when in the two series where he had the most AB’s (50+) both times he had an OPS of 1.000+

by lololol on Oct 28, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all about the rings

Don’t give me OPS garbage. Let’s talk Rings, that’s all that matters when u bleed pinstripes. AROID has 1 in 8 years. Sorry, just doesn’t live up to the hype

by mspcpa on Oct 29, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Oct 29, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Team falters so it’s all his fault? Dumb. He could have had one in 2004, if you know…the whole team didn’t blow it. Also by your logic Mussina must have been a horrible pitcher to not have one ring. Mitre and Gaudin has a ring so they must be more valuable than moose.

by lololol on Oct 29, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh if you want to look into it further in WPA, which is win probability added. Since 2004 postseason Jeter has -1.132 WPA…Arod? + 2.112 WPA. Yet i don’t see anyone bitching about Jeter’s postseason failures since 2004.

by lololol on Oct 29, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does it hurt?

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by Briceratops on Oct 29, 2011 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

Chien-Ming Wang is going to be offered a ML contract by the Nationals; they are just dickering over terms. So to get Wang back in pinstripes would take a ML deal.

by d_c_guy on Oct 28, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Ah, hadn’t heard that. Thanks.

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by Brandon C. on Oct 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yu Darvish is not a free agent

Sorry to nitpick, but the posting process is a far cry from free agency. I hope he does ask to be posted, and that the Yankees go after him. I feel that spending money on him is far less risky than spending it on CJ Wilson (I know there is a lot of disagreement on that, though).

by waw on Oct 28, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I feel like there are a lot of unrealistic expectations here...

With major free agents, you don’t really get to decide how much they’re worth. Basically the decision you have to make is “Do I want to overpay this player or do I want to pass on him?”

On CC – There’s no reason for him to sign for 5 years. Cliff Lee had 2 7-year offers last year and he was a year older than CC is right now. CC will get 6 and 7 year offers from other teams and he’s not giving the Yankees a discount because well – they’re the Yankees and he knows he doesn’t have to. If you want CC back, you need to accept the reality that it’ll be for at least 6 years.

On C.J. Wilson – I’m more against signing him than for it, too, but I feel the sudden backlash against him and the comparison to A.J. Burnett is unfair. C.J. Wilson’s last 2 seasons were both better than any season A.J. ever had in the AL. However I expect the pricetag on Wilson to be 5 years 90 mil which to me is a pass.

On Yu Darvish – He’s at least a $125 mil investment. The posting fee will be $50 mil and his contract will top Dice-K’s which I believe was for 6-70, so you’re looking at a total price in the $130 mil range for 6 or 7 years, which I would do. This guy is unlike anything that’s come out of Japan before.

Freddy Garcia will get guaranteed money, not a minor league deal. He might even get 2 years from someone. On both him and Colon I’d say I’m happy with what we got this year, but we should move on. Chris Capuano, Rich Harden and Chien-Ming Wang will all also get guaranteed major league contracts.

I wouldn’t want any part of Mike Gonzalez. The best lefty available is Javier Lopez of the Giants, but I would hope that the Yankees have learned something from Marte/Feliciano and that they won’t offer any 30-something relievers multi-year deals this year just because they happen to be left-handed.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 28, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Correction...

Dice-K’s contract was 6 years, 52 mil, so I overstated that. Maybe Darvish could be signed, then for 6 years and about 65-70 mil on top of the posting fee which would put his total price tag at around $120 mil.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 28, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

After Dice-K

No ones going to pay a 50 million posting fee. 40 at most

by jjdel8895 on Oct 28, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sox majorly overbid for Dice-K. People believe that the next closest bid was around 35 mil.

by lololol on Oct 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What unrealistic expectations are there?

I never said CC should sign for five years. I said I hope he does.

I said Wilson’s price tag will be that high.

I said I hope the Yankees can get Darvish for less, but they won’t.

I said Garcia will probably get a MLB deal

How could you know for sure Harden will get a MLB deal?

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by Brandon C. on Oct 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mainly the C.C. point is what I found unrealistic

If you’re going to say don’t go beyond 5 years for him, he shouldn’t have been on the projected roster. If they end up getting a deal done with him for only 5 years, I’ll be both wrong and delighted.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 28, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would not be the slightest bit surprised. At all. Just can’t think of available starters in trades.

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by Brandon C. on Oct 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone is available in a trade. No one saw the Javy Vazquez/Melky trade a couple years ago. (If I saw it coming, I’d have done everything in my power to stop it!)

Romine!

by david d on Oct 28, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Braves were trying to get rid of a pitcher that year, and the Yankees were trying to get one. I didn’t see them getting Javy, but I saw them as a match

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 28, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

For who?

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure

Pitcher. I actually hope we don’t do much at all, but with the FA class of pitchers lacking, I just would be surprised if Cashman didn’t pull something off.

Romine!

by david d on Oct 29, 2011 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oswalt

Any interest in signing Oswalt?
2 Year 20 Million?

by ABMANTLE on Oct 28, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

not really

Romine!

by david d on Oct 28, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely on $10M per, but I think he’d get more.

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 28, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 28, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oswalt

Yes, definitely. But I’d max out at 2 years/$22M total.

by NY Baseball Fan on Oct 28, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Oswalt or Buehrle ???

I’d take Oswalt because I don’t think 2 years will get Buehrle. I think for him to consider NY he’d need 3 years guaranteed, and that I would NOT do.

by NY Baseball Fan on Oct 28, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You put CC at the top of your rotation....

…but if you’re only offering 5 years, he won’t be there.

Yanks are going to have to offer at least 6 years, 140 million, to keep him. AT LEAST.

by CalinCT on Oct 28, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Slight change of subject if I may

We know towards the end of of this past regular season the Yankees were interest in Wandy Rodriguez of the Astros. Unfortunately I believe his remaining salary and how much the Yankees wanted the Astros to “eat” was the sticking point.

Does anyone see those talks being resurrected this winter? He could be a nice addition to the Yankees rotation. THOUGHTS ANYONE.

by NY Baseball Fan on Oct 28, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Wandy Rodriguez is alright

He’d be fine as a back of the rotation guy. Problem is we really need a front-end starter, so Wandy is someone I’d consider only if the higher tier options don’t work out.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 28, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

the problem is that the Astros have some kind of hometown bias about him and believe he’s an ace just because he happens to be the best pitcher on the staff. That is why no deal was made, they overvalue the hell out of him.

by jetanumba2 on Oct 28, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wandy Rodriguez

He’s a very decent #3 and a lefty. Decent strikeout rate doesn’t walk too many a lttle over 3 per 9 innings. I’d feel a lot more comfortable going into the 2012 season with a rotation of: CC, Nova, Wandy, Hughes and AJ. Then I would with CC, Nova, Hughes, AJ and Garcia or the pitcher yet to be named. That’s just my opinion.

by NY Baseball Fan on Oct 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

wandy

id love to see wandy in pinstripes. another lefty in the rotation.

by Dannybo563 on Nov 7, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I have been considering Ryan Doumit for awhile now. If he can play in the field then i think that makes him even more worth it. If we trade Cervelli we could keep Doumit as backup catcher/infielder. That’s basically what I wish Russell Martin is, if only Doumit was a better catcher though.

I think Whelan and Kontos should be given a chance. I was starting to like Kontos.

by jetanumba2 on Oct 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Kontos

What limited exposure we had to Kontos this year seemed pretty decent. I think he deserves a chance to prove himself as well.

by NY Baseball Fan on Oct 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Oswalt

Oswalt can be had on a short term deal, and I think he’d be worth the money.

by Branta on Oct 28, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

If he can be had for a two year deal, I think you have to do it.

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 28, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

With all the talk of retiring soon

I cannot see how he could ask for more than 2 years

by Branta on Oct 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

oswalt is an enigma

He looked like he was on the path of decline uptil last year where he rebounded. Now he’s back on that path of decline. he is still a decent pitcher but his velocity dropped quite a bit from last year. It’s hard to see how his performance would translate here.

by lololol on Oct 28, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, allow me to retort.
-The Yankees should avoid C.J. Wilson no matter what.

These are the Yankees and no one is unavoidable. CJ is not my first choice either, but if we can get him for a relatively inexpensive contract, I see no reason not to. Of course, he’ll go for a lot, so we shall see what happens with him.

-Yu Darvish should be pursued, but not given a massive contract.

Yeaaaaah, you unfortunately root for an organization that has no issue or problem dishing out massive contracts. So he will be pursued, he will be paid a huge posting fee, and if the Yankees truly like what they see, he’ll be making a whole lotta yen!

-CC Sabathia should not be given more than a five year contract under any circumstances.

Last year they were willing to give Cliff Lee a 7 year deal and a massive amount of da money. No reason they won’t give it to CC. They’re the Yankees.

-The Yankees should pick up Nick Swisher’s option, spend on bench and compliment players, and either make a trade this off-season, wait until the 2012 Trade Deadline, or wait until after the 2012 season to get another pitcher.

I agree with picking up his option. Trades are always possible, so it’s just a matter of what…..shudder….or who.

-Keep Nunez on the active roster, re-sign Andruw Jones, sign Jerry Hairston Jr.

Yeah, why not. Also, Cuddyer can also play 2nd base as well, in addition to 1st, 3rd, LF & RF. Pretty nice player to have on your bench, but I doubt he won’t be signed to be an everyday player by some team.

As for all of your minor league contract talk, that kinda shows you how lucky we are to be Yankees fan. A lot of the pitchers you mentioned will be offered major league deals, because there are teams out there who need their services far far more than we do. Garcia will definitely get a chance to start somewhere else, and Colon might as well. Even if Colon only gives you 3/4th of a season, that’s still 3/4th of pretty quality pitching. I wouldn’t mind seeing him in the bullpen and far away from a buffet. As for Garcia, I think his resigning will depend on Yu (I’m going to enjoy saying that if we do sign him).

The real truth is this: whether due to a marketing, media stroking, promotional need OR just because they like to blow money like a nerd at a Comic Con ($500 gone like that), the Yankees will do something big this offseason, and it will most likely involve Yu. Last year they offered Lee a typical ridiculous Yankee-type contract and the only reason he didn’t get it is because he didn’t want it, not that we didn’t offer enough. Despite how far our make-shift rotation took us this year and how pitching wasn’t really the problem in the post-season, pitching is still seemingly the most important concern and unless they sign fucking Pujols, pitching will be the biggest offseason media money splash, which is why they’ll offer CC 6 or 7 years to do a cannonball in their money-bin of a pool. It’s also why they will, if they are truly truly interested, outbid anyone for Yu Darvish. If it isn’t already, once the WS is over the word will be out on Darvish being a potential target by a lot of teams, especially the Yankees. Not only does Darvish bring a lot of potential talent to the Yankees, he also gives them something the Yankees strive for just as much, which is more marketability. Yu can not pitch and he’ll have the Japanese media swarm around him. Even if he doesn’t do that well, for the first few months he will be a superstar on the mound, he will be heavily watched, and that in itself brings the Yankees organization more money, and unless I’m mistaken the Yankees love both money & attention just as much as I do.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Oct 28, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

One correction for Yu (see what I did there?)
he will be paid a huge posting fee, and if the Yankees truly like what they see, he’ll be making a whole lotta yen!

The posting fee goes to the Nippon Ham Fighters (love love love that name). Then the Yankees get a short window in which to come to a deal with Yu. If they do, they get Yu and the Ham Fighters get to buy a more expensive variety of ham next year. But since only the Yankees would be negotiating with Yu, and since they’d get their posting fee back if they cannot come to an agreement, they have all the leverage there. So, he’ll get a good deal, but nothing like CJ Wilson will be able to command on the truly open free agent market.

by waw on Oct 28, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say there is no chance CC signs a one year extension without getting a raise. So in your scenario CC is gone.

I don’t know why you would avoid Wilson at all costs. There have to be scenarios you would welcome him. And it’s pretty unfair to knock him for his postseason numbers and then say bring back Swisher, whose postseaosn numbers for his entire career, not only with the Yankees, are unbelievably bad.

Also, just because the posting fee doesn’t count against the luxury tax, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t matter.

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 28, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Wilson just doesn’t seem like an elite pitcher to me. The walks worry me, the post-season numbers worry me, I just don’t see him being a fit for the contract he will get.

Swisher doesn’t have any glaring weaknesses other than his ps numbers, while Wilson has the walks.

I’m willing to pay the luxury tax+the number I said, I’m saying.

I’ll pay more for CC, but I won’t give him another year.

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by Brandon C. on Oct 28, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilson managed to cut down the walks this year…but the future has yet to be seen.

by lololol on Oct 28, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because he isn’t elite doesn’t mean he should be avoided at all costs. I’d have him at the right price, but I wouldn’t give him more than four years.

I also don’t understand why Wilson’s post-season numbers worry you more than Swisher’s, expecially since Swisher’s numbers have been accumulated over a much larger sample, and in my opinion, are way worse than Wilson’s.

I’m just as worried about the innings increase, but the Verducci Effect has to do with 25 years old and younger pitchers. Wilson did it at 29. The signing team would get him through his age 31 through, presumably, 34 or 35 age seasons.

I’m not saying I want him, but there are certainly situations where I’d sign him.

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 28, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching my 2003 ALCS Game 7 DVD, and one thing jumped out at me.

Didn’t Jeter’s fly ball that started the rally that was not caught by Nixon look the same as Cruz’s non catch last night?

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by Brandon C. on Oct 28, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I want them to be agressive this offseason, especially on pitching.

2012 should be a make or break year to get Mariano one last ring before retirement. They got very lucky last year that Colon and Garcia we solid contributors. This is one offseason where I think they should throw the money around, and go for broke. I’m willing to take risks on Wilson and Darvish if it could get one more championship.

by upstateNYYFan1984 on Oct 28, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

CC is getting a raise.

Pick up Swisher’s option. Sign Darvish. If not, sign Roy Oswalt. I like Drew Sutton more than Jerry Hairston Jr. You can’t go wrong with either. Re-sign Jones as well. I prefer George Kontos over Kevin Whelan. Whelan walks to many batters as a reliever despite having awesome strikeout numbers. He did do a good job of lowering the walks this season, but I still don’t trust him.

If Andruw Jones doesn’t return, I like Matt Murton. Besides Darvish, there are several Japanese pitchers on the market. I like Hisashi Iwakuma, Wei-Yin Chen, and Tsuyoshi Wada all could help the Yankees next year at a cheaper price if the Yankees decide to go that route.

by E-ROC on Oct 28, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Getting CC back should be the #1 priority

If he asks for a ridiculous amount of years and money that even the Yankees shouldn’t give him, then no other team will give it to him either and he’ll come down on his price. CC’s not going anywhere. He loves NY, and the Yankees love and need him. And he’s still an elite pitcher who has earned the right to ask for a lot of money. He’ll be back.

After they resign CC, go hard after Yu Darvish. Every single scout is predicting that he is going to dominate in the major leagues. He’s made Japanese hitters look foolish for years, he’s only 25, the actual contract probably won’t cost as much as Wilson and he won’t cost a draft pick to sign. And it also adds to the racial diversity on the Yankees, which is obviously very important! If Darvish chooses not to come over or if another team gets him, then keep an eye on the trade market and maybe get Oswalt if he comes at only 1 or 2 years, but otherwise prepare to go into the season with CC-AJ-Nova-Hughes and a competition between maybe Phelps and Warren for the fifth spot. Maybe try and sign Wang again so he can ressurect his career.

Agreed on bringing back Jones, though I wouldn’t go after Hairston. I wouldn’t be upset if they did but I’d like to see Keep Jesus, keep ManBan. And get rid of Russell Martin (thats not happening unfortunately). I hope Jesus gets as many games behind the plate as possible in 2012. I’m also predicting bounce back seasons from Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira and AJ Burnett.

Go Yankees in 2012.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch don't know what happened to part of my comment here

Finishing the thought on Hairston, I wouldn’t mind if they got him but I’m not sure they’d get him and keep Nunez on the roster the way you have here. And if it’s a choice between the two I’d like to see them continue to develop Nunez and see if he can have a better year in 2012.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 28, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too be perfectly honest.

If he gets good to great again he’ll probably be our new right fielder.

He’ll be better than Swisher if he gets back into form.

by DCyanks21 on Oct 28, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't sign him saying "if you get good again, you can be our starting right fielder"

because some team is probably going to say “hey, you can start for us right now” and he’s going to take that.

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Oct 29, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Make it a "competition".

And Swisher wins.

I know he might want to start right off the bat, but teams like the Phillies, Rangers, etc.. might want him. He might not start on their teams.

by DCyanks21 on Oct 29, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously Swisher will be back but unless he does some work to make major changes to his batting approach, the Yankees cannot count on him being a core everyday player. He is a mistake hitter and will get his production over the season but will never come up big. The Yankees need to add a few more of those clutch types which is easier said than done. But everyone knows who they are. Johnny Damon was one and he was a key to the 2009 championship.

by Dougrhon on Oct 29, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

"clutch types"

LOL

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 29, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure Arod was the Key, while Damon had was nice, his numbers were pretty average(he was hitting .200 going into game 4). But that double steal was awesome

by lololol on Oct 29, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

ayala

I don’t see what Ayala did wrong this season. I thought he pitched well. Dod I miss something?

by Robert Essigman on Oct 29, 2011 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Besides an I

Some think he allowed too many inherited runners to score. I thought he was pretty good and I think he should be brought back.

Romine!

by david d on Oct 30, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

He did great in blowouts

He screwed the pooch too many times in high leverage situations, letting inherited runners score. His ERA looked good, but the pitcher just ahead of him must have cringed whenever he got pulled for Ayala with runners in scoring position.

by waw on Oct 30, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, yes you did

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 30, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

GOOD POST

I am still seeing a need for proven pitching from the left side. CC should be resigned for 5 or 6 year deal, using Cliff Lee’s contract as a base. I like Mark Burhle he might jump at a 2 or three year deal in the 15 million per year range. Darvish is the real deal from all indications and should be looked at as a number two or three starter. A 40 to 50 million posting fee it will take at least and another 5 years for 60 million. I believe that Andrew Jones aand Eric Chavez should be pursued. We still need that lefty out of the pen Gonzales looks like the top choice there. Maybe a 2 or 3 year deal for 6 to 8 million per year might get it done. Montero is a DH and a back up catcher. he needs to learn another position quickly and 1B is not the choice. The problem will be what to do with him.

by djoep2000 on Oct 30, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Yanks

It is surprising to see so many Yankees fans so frugile! I would give CC ONE extra year only! I dont think CJ willson is worth what he will get! YU Darvish either! Buehle either they will all get way too much-I dont think anyone will give CC any more than that either—might though-That leaves Wandy and Oswalt—Talk too CC get him signed and then get one of those 2-Wandy would be safer—-How about this? Trade Montero for The Dodgers Chad Billingsly? He is better than all of the above Except CC Would be at least #2 or #3—-The Yanks have someone to replace Montero and Billingsly is solid! This would be a good trade for both teams and less money for the Yankees—-Frugile?-That said the yanks might still get Wandy and that would put there rotation in very very good shape
CC-Nova-Billingsly-AJ-Wandy—-Very very good
BP
Mariano-Hughes-Soriano-Wade-Joba—Whelan-Nolan-Robertson
leave the rest alone
ca-Martin—rookie ( they have another good one)
1B-Mark
2B-Cano-Hairston
ss-Jeter-Nunez
3B-Arod
of—Swisher-Curtis-Gardner-Jones
pretty good team —see what happens at trade line in July

by spc7 on Oct 30, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Trade Montero for The Dodgers Chad Billingsly

Hell no

by Yankees10 on Oct 30, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, its winter

i just went throught this whole page, & can understand most of what people are saying. as of now, cc got his extension, as did cashman. the 1 guy i wouldve loved the yankees to sign, signed with the phils, thome. he would’ve been perfect bat off the bench. & picture his swing at the stadium. oh, & wang resigned with nationals. so, those options are off the table.
   i myself would prefer the yankees stay away from both wilson & darvish. something about japanese too me lately & i dont know, call it “kenny rogers-itis” about wilson. i just dont see him being a good fit.
   someone mentioned wandy rodriquez deal. id love to see that happen. if for nothing else, to see if he really is what i feel he can be, a consistent 15 game winner. now, taking that as a measuring point, how many of these free agent starters out there can we call, or assume fit that?
   theres 2 names that i think about, buerhle & maholm. buerhle has shown he can win 15 games, even in bad years. maholm has pitched for awful pirate teams til this past season, & often got overlooked. again, like wandy, these 2 are very comfortable risks.
   theres a couple others who, i wonder, can they get back to almost what they were? those 2 being webb & harden. there is a reliever i’ll throw in here too, zumaya. i think these 3 are definitely worth taking the chance on. i mean, lets say webb gets that sinking fastball & nasty curve working again. he’s shown, not just 15, but 20 games is no problem for him. talk about a perfect #2 guy behind cc. you lucked out last year with colon & garcia. why not?
   im going to throw a couple trade possibilities out here now. if they cant sign buerhle away from chisox, offer a trade for the guy i’d prefer to begin with, john danks. try to get him, & chris sale. i think it can be done with a package of say, greg golson, cory wade or phelps & boone logan. only chance we have to take is, they may want to include adam dunn & his contract. another ive heard about in the rumor mills is for lincecum. ok, lets get a little serious now. 4 guys already making well over 20 mil a year, with 2 more going to be there soon in cano & granderson. so, it just isnt realistic of them getting lincecum. however, if we could get matt cain instead of tim, i’m all for that. i hear that we’ll have to take huff’s contract in that also. this move may cost us montero, but for this type of pitcher, i may just make the exception.
   i’ll offer these 4 players, only i’ll offer them to 2 teams, the giants, & arizona. the 4 are; brett gardner, ramiro pena, & 2 of our top farm starters, betances & warren. the 2 i’d try for from arizona are justin upton & jj putz. giants would be cain & huff. now, like i said, if montero had to be included, i would do it, especially in upton trade. id much rather deal a top offensive prospect for an established, every day player, not a starter. cain is right at that level id make the exception for though. i hear people say he’s untradeable, under any circumstance. so, if felix or kershaw were available, you’d prefer keeping montero, even though you have an established catcher in martin right now, & have not 1, but 2 other top catching prospects in minors. romine should, & most likely will be traded. the guy i like though is sanchez. he’s the keeper to me. both offensively & defensively, he looks like the real deal. & he’s only 18!. so, yes, you ask me, montero is tradeable, but only for certain guys.
   i’m going to throw another starter out here, who may just be available. i got blasted to hell & back last time i offered a deal involving reds. (offered joba straight up for jay bruce 2 years ago) this time, id offer noesi & that kid ss culver for edinson volquez. think about it. let whitey & yogi & guidry & such get around this kid, straighten him out. how many wins you think he can put up pitching for yankees over 10, 12 years?
   they got rid of 1 headcase in farnsworth a couple years ago in granderson deal. now, if you cant dump him (maybe to cubs for soiano?), then literally, dump burnett. it took til last game he pitched for yankees to make me feel good about him. but, enoughs enough. im shocked, really, that jorge posada never decked him out on the mound after shaking him off, once again, & giving up another 3 run homer. then telling girardi, it was the pitches jorgie’s calling. what happened to pitching to the sign you’re given? if bench trusts catcher to call game, its his call. if not, then bench calls each & every pitch. yet, you’re shaking it off, so you can throw what you think will work. headcase, plain & simple. farnsworth was same, of course, only worse. if you throw 102, 103, why are you insisting on throwing sliders? dump him. to me, if white sox wont take him in trade, dump logan too. too many times, i’ve seen him come in to get a lefty out, & he walks him! the only specialist he is would be at causing ulcers! dump him too!
   i mentioned, not only montero, but gardner getting traded too. hey, he’s a nice player to have. love his speed & all. but, he’s another headcase, only i give him his own name: bonehead! a guy with his speed should never hit a pop up, never! with his speed, & the way he can just lay his bat out on a ball, he should be no less than a .320 hitter. he should be our version of mickey rivers. mickey was a .250. 260 hitter with angels. came to yankees, billy told him, just slap the ball on the ground. became a .300 hitter. thats why, even girardi went against everyone, & started 2010 season with him batting leadoff. &, he sucked! sorry, no other way to put it. personally, i was shocked he wasnt sent down. but, after seeing him take so many 3-0 or 3-1 pitches right down the middle, only to end up popping out, i’ve personally seen enough of him. besides, id love to see the yankees go after 2 free agents, from offensive side.
   now, they both have implications on of. if upton deal goes through, which i’d love about as much, if not more than when they made granderson deal, you’d have grandy in cf, upton in rf. sorry, all you swisher lovers. he’ll look good coming up to ph every now & then, maybe give tex a day off or spell an of every once in a while. or, maybe, he makes just enough money that, he can be traded. so, with gardner in a trade gone, swisher on bench, 1st signing would be grady sizemore. i believe, he’s far from through. & like granderson, he’s a great fielder, no wall he’s afraid to climb or crash into! & he would’nt have to play cf either, lf should fit nicely to him.
   the 2nd is more about looking ahead or moving forward. i said implication for of. the 2nd guy, my big splash for the winter would be signing jose reyes. (i can hear all the screeching & cursing right now!) ok, heres my thinking. jeters 36 now. how much longer can he really keep that range? & yes, reyes does seem to get hurt alot, doesnt he? but, if that does happen, who better to have as a replacement than jeter? you also will have nunez. ok, i hear you! what do you do with jeter than? implications for of. i heard he was starting to learn lf last year, shagging flies & such. sizemore’s coming off knee problems for last couple years. so, he wont be out there all the time, will he. besides, theres also that ever valuable position of dh, isnt there. we get 9 hitters to make a lineup of.
   so, lets say, we sign maholm, harden & webb. trade for volquez & possibly wandy. if webbs all the way back, heres what the starting staff may look like: cc, webb, cain, volquez, hughes/maholm. if webbs not back yet, stick wandy in there, or stick volquez as spot starter. hows this for bullpen: mo, robertson, soriano, putz, sale, zumaya?, nova & whoevers left over from starters. hey, if you really look at it, all this can be done, its not impossible, or dream-type deals. these could all work. &, as the saying goes, you can never have enough starting pitching.
   now, if pitching looks that good, look at offensive side:
c- martin, montero/romine
1b- tex, huff
2b- cano
3b- arod, nunez
ss- reyes, jeter
lf- jeter, sizemore, soriano?
cf- granderson, sizemore
rf- upton, swisher
   so, this would be 3 or 4 trades, & 4 or 5 free agent signings. you may have to eat some money from a couple contracts. you may have went slightly over budget, mainly from reyes signing(predicting a little over 15 mil a year/6 years). yes, there would be adding upton’s & possibly soriano’s contract, but you’d also be rid of burnetts. so, yes, may be a few dollars more, but you’ll still have most of farm intact, & you’ll have a team thats so much alike of the teams of mid to late 90’s. theres no o’neills or brossuis, no bernies or cone’s. but, we’ll have a helluva pitching staff, both starting & relieving, than even those 90’s teams possibly had. we’d have a bench that, in the 8th or 9th inning, we wont have to worry about a colin curtis or cervelli being announced as ph down by 2 runs. i would’ve loved to have had thome, just for those spots! & talk about exciting, heres how id picture that lineup:
reyes
jeter
cano
tex
arod
granderson
upton
martin
sizemore
grady sizemore would have to bat 9th! & if he has any semblance of speed still, look at that lineup turning over! i just hope girardi sees this as the way to go, batting cano 3rd. if he likes the left-right-left approach in batting over, i guess arod can still bat cleanup, with tex 5th. is this scary, or what! thats what 90’s teams were all about, we put fear in those teams. can anyone remember how in awe that padre team looked before game 1 of the 98 series? they lost before they played the national anthem. we had this personna, we had this confidence. we couldnt, & wouldnt be beat! i remember the game against seattle. i think it was 8th inning. we’re down 13-7. 1st batter up makes an out. 5 or 6 pitchers later, someone made 2nd out. at end of the inning, we were up 20-13! thats how i want it to be again. we pretty much were invincible.
   again, you may look at this as some crazy pipe dream.but, again, break them all down & look at them all individually. reyes, we’ll probably have to outbid a couple teams for. but, then again, i get the feeling, if yankees are interested in him, he’d die to come play with us. cain deal probably can be done. the 1 i’d worry about as toughest would be upton deal. would they want to disrupt what they put together last year? its why i said, i may just have to involve montero in that deal. but, like i said, if you look at each deal or signing, it can be done. & we can get ourselves to run off a few more championships, like we use to. & isnt that what being the yankees is all about?
   so brian, congratulations on your new deal. make us all proud again. we cant have another decade where red sox win as many championships as we do! make it happen. this, to me, would be a perfect off season.

by Dannybo563 on Nov 7, 2011 1:48 AM EST reply actions  

Sizemore would be an upgrade over Jones.

Grady Sizemore would be an upgrade as the fourth outfielder over Jones. Based on the injury issues over the past couple years, they should be able to get him on a fairly reasonable short term contract. If he is currently healthy and can pass a physical, he would be a great addition. The Yankees did a comparable deal with Martin last offseason and it worked out for them this season.

by RyanMick on Nov 12, 2011 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

Batting order should change in 2012, should not be based on contract or name.

What was really frustrating in the ALDS is the fact that if ARod is playing, he is automatically given the cleanup spot. He is no longer that feared hitter. That hitter is now Cano. It worked out fine with Cano hitting cleanup when ARod was out. Below is what my lineup would be with current Yankees batters. This is mostly based on current ability and 2011 performance.
1. Gardner
2. Jeter
3. Granderson
4. Cano
5. Montero
6. A Rod
7. Texiera
8. Swisher
9. Martin

This is based on Martin catching and Montero at dh. Would change when Montero is catching. Would also change when Nunez is giving ARod, Jeter and Cano a day off. Nunez was better when he got a lot of playing time. He should get at least 3 games a week.I know that it won’t happen based on ARod’s and Tex’s contracts. Also feel that should add Grady Sizemore as the fourth outfielder. They should also not go for Wilson, Oswalt or Buherle. Sign a pitcher to no longer than a 1 year contract based on free agent list of starting pitchers in 2012. Especially when one of those might be trade bait in the middle of the season. i.e. Matt Cain.

by RyanMick on Nov 12, 2011 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

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