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Let Jesus Montero Catch

As 2011 moves into 2012 and we get to opening day, we're likely going to see pretty much the same lineup that was in there during the entire ALDS. A-Rod will be back in the cleanup spot, and hopefully the Cano-Teixeira switch remains permanent and Cano stays in the 3 spot. The one change in the lineup will likely be Jesus Montero replacing Jorge Posada as he everyday DH. While I'll be thrilled if he finally gets an opportunity to play a full season in the major leagues, I'll still have one little problem with it.

Russell Martin is that problem. Now, I don't hate him nearly as much as others on here. He played great defense, worked well with the pitching staff and even swung the bat pretty well on certain occasions and certain months. So I thank him for that. However, he virtually disappeared at the plate for much of the season and the ALDS, and yet because of his "game calling skills", he'll be the starting catcher again in 2012. 

Now, I am not against bringing Russell Martin to this team as a backup catcher or a part time catcher because like I said, he is a great defender and he does call good games. While that particular skill should mean nothing to whether or not a catcher plays because a) many pitchers call their own games and b) if someone truly can't call a game, every pitch can come from the bench, it still would be convenient for him and the pitchers he works with for him to get better at doing it. And Russ could help him with that, and overall just becoming a better defensive cacher. What I DON'T want is Russell Martin coming back this season as the everyday catcher (and I mean every-single-day) with Romine/Cervelli as the primary backup and we see Montero behind the plate only slightly more often than Posada was this year.

So New York Yankees, I ask you please to have Jesus Montero to at least split catching duties with Russell Martin, if not giving him the starting catching job entirely (which is what I'd prefer). Martin doesn't have to go, but Montero needs to be behind the plate for the majority of the Yankees games next year. If they expect him to be their catcher of the future, then he needs to get that major league experience catching, learning big league hitters, learning the pitching staff and getting that experience of catching a major league game. There's only so much he can learn from practicing it or bullpen sessions or games in spring training. He needs to do it during the season. 

I don't want what happened this past September to foreshadow what Montero's role is going to be in 2012 and possibly beyond. I don't want him to be a full time DH who rarely catches games, and on games he does catch to be taken out by the 7th inning for more seasoned game callers. His highest value to the Yankees is as a catcher. He's proven in the minor leagues that he's capable of catching at a level that is at least serviceable. So I see NO reason why he shouldn't catch next year. 

Here's a shout-out to those of you who have watched ESPN talk about Montero or listened to John Flaherty talk about him on YES. He is a catcher. The only other position he can play is first base and thats taken for a long time. Under absolutely no circumstances should he or will he play the outfield, and the same thing goes for third base. His position is as a catcher. Just because Flash doesn't get hard when Montero catches like he does when Russ or Romine catches doesn't mean that Jesus is incapable of catching in the major leagues.

Lastly, I enjoy it when homegrown players finally make it to the major leagues. I like following the minor league system, watching the draft and following a player and seeing where they end up. I did with with Jesus. I did it with Austin Jackson. I'm doing it right now with Slade Heathcott and Cito Culver and Gary Sanchez and the Killer B's and many others. I enjoy the possibility of seeing some of these players the Yankees develop through the system get the role they deserve in the major leagues. With the way everyone has doubted Montero's catching ability I would consider it a huge accomplishment for both him and the Yankees if he was the starting catcher next year. And he has the ability to do it. Joe Girardi just needs to pencil him in. 

So please Yankees, I ask you one last time. I will be very unhappy if at this time next year I look at Montero's season line and I see something like 20-30 games caught and 120+ as DH. In 2012, LET JESUS MONTERO CATCH!

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If their reason against letting him catch is defence...

Then why did they let Eduardo Nunez play 100+ games in the infield?!

by Sports Fan! on Oct 16, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe, just maybe, the Yankees lied about thinking he was a passable defender, and they won’t play him because of it. Otherwise, what’s the deal? Why did they hardly let him catch in September? They had the division wrapped up a week before the season ended and he only spent 22 innings behind the plate over the course of a month. He only spent time behind the plate in three games.

It wouldn’t be the first time a team has lied to protect trade value, and it won’t be the last.

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 16, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I sure hope not

Because if he’s a catcher, he has much more value to the Yankees. Catchers will the ability to hit like Montero are very rare. If he’s not a catcher, then it increases the likelihood that he’s traded (which would infuriate me) and would decrease his value to the Yankees if he were to stay.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not so sure he’s a catcher anymore. I don’t think he has a position outside of DH anymore. I think If the Yankees thought he had a position, he would have played.

What other explanation is there? They had a week left in the year after having clinched everything and he still didn’t play. That has to be indicative of their thought process. I’m really not sure what other explanation there is.

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 16, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yes, you’re right to an extent. His maximum value is behind the plate as a below average/passable defensive catcher with an elite bat.

I just don’t think the Yankees think Montero will be, at best, below average behind the plate. If his defense is that bad, he loses too much value behind the plate, and I think that’s what the Yankees are worried about.

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 16, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to maximize Montero's production and career

you don’t let him catch. He’s an amazing hitter, but he doesn’t have what it takes on defense. I realize the Yankees operate on an offense-first team philosophy, but if they have a decent hitting, GOOD defending catcher like Martin who could hold down the fort at C, why put this kid in a position that he will most likely fail at?

In only 22 innings at the position this season, he managed a -0.1 dWAR on bref. Fangraphs didn’t penalize him, but i don’t know how they take catcher defense into account with their WAR since they love UZR and it doesn’t apply to catchers. The more time he gets, the more wins it’s going to cost the Yankees.

Shouldn’t you want to maximize the value of your players on the field (in the lineup)? The only thing this might DEvalue is his trade value, but his hitting will probably benefit overall from not catching, it can something he can focus on instead of learning how to catch and call games, and it’ll keep him healthy.

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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Oct 16, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

How is he "likely to fail" as a catcher?

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 16, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a defender.

He isn’t good.

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Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "FUCK THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!

by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Oct 16, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Proof?

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Oct 16, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOT ONE SCOUT THINKS HE CAN CATCH!

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 16, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

On what do you judge your catchers' abilities?

Am I the only one flagging this guy?
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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Oct 16, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither was Posada

They did alright with him didn’t they? I think Jesus can be at least as good as Posada on defense if not better. And thats more than good enough.

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by nyyrocks29 on Oct 16, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, Mrs. Montero.

If Posada is the barometer on which you judge an acceptable catcher, I’ll leave you to your agenda on this fanpost. Enjoy the extremely narrow point of view you are looking for in the responses if you can find it.

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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Oct 16, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only he could be more like John Jaso or Kelly Shoppach

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Oct 16, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Posada

wasn’t that bad earlier in his career, he was actually pretty good. It’s not really a fair comparison if you’re going by his performance in the twilight of his career at 37 years of age and beyond. If Montero is anything like Posada was back from ’99 – ’06 no one will complain. In fact, we would all be quite happy.

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by david d on Oct 16, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 16, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't draw any conclusions based on 22 innings

Any statistic is meaningless in that short of a time. Montero went 1 for 7 in his first 2 games. Does that mean he is an awful hitter? NO
Montero’s WAR, a counting statistic, was negative over the course of 3 games and 22 innings. Does that mean he is an awful catcher? NO

by pastor2b on Oct 16, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

But you have to admit, the SSS argument is only used here when it benefits one’s argument. If it doesn’t back their argument, it’s somehow omitted and the .328, .408, .590 line is then appropriately thrown out there. That’s what annoys me.

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by david d on Oct 16, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, in all fairness, the .328/.408/.590 line was accumulated over far more at bats than three games worth.

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 16, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I totally agree

It shows he can hit, regardless the size of the sample. That’s why I hate the SSS argument. If a guy hits .350 in 75 AB’s or 25 AB’s, we know from this that he has the ability to succeed.

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by david d on Oct 16, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can't, but the FO has more than 22 innings of data

That’s what I don’t really understand in this situation; WE have very limited information about Montero’s abilities, since most of it comes from his very limited MLB time in September, and are not paid to analyze his performance. The FO has been watching this kid for YEARS, every game, and has access to proprietary information and a team of analysts to go over that information.

I see three possibilities here:
1. The FO doesn’t believe Montero can catch long term, but they want to keep him around. So they give him the Victor Martinez treatment; primary DH, secondary C.
2. The FO doesn’t believe Montero can catch, and they were doing their best to hide this fact but showcase his offensive tools for a trade.
3. Montero can catch, but Joe Girardi and/or Brian Cashman have Mike Sciosciaitis.

by PortlandYankee on Oct 16, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's options 1 or 2

3 is kinda far-fetched.

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by david d on Oct 16, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well you never know.

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by nyyrocks29 on Oct 16, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope it's a very far-fetched option 4

Cashman is pretending to be such a huge fan of Russell Martin and praising his game calling to increase Russ’s trade value. Russ if the centerpiece in a trade for a #2 starter, Montero becomes the starting catcher and I’ll be happy!

Though what team would be dumb enough to trade a great starter for Russell Martin… maybe the Angels. If only Omar was a GM somewhere.

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by nyyrocks29 on Oct 16, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is trading a front end starter for Russell Martin

He’s a good player, but he’s also a C nearing 30 who is only under team control for another year.

by PortlandYankee on Oct 16, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could happen

if one or two of the young arms are included. No one is foolish enough to think Martin alone would get us a decent starter.

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by david d on Oct 16, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know

Thats why I said “very far fetched”. I did this in MLB 11 the Show though! Martin for Josh Johnson.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 16, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

Russel Martin would be a great fit on the Angels. He’s way better than Mathis and is the type of defense first catcher that Mike Scoscia apparently loves. Los Angeles also has four outfielders, a designated hitter, and two first basemen fighting for four spots in the everyday lineup so if we could package up Martin with a prospect or two for Peter Bourjous….

by Briceratops on Oct 17, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously this isn’t a fair trade for LA unless the prospects are really good but you guys get what I’m saying.

by Briceratops on Oct 17, 2011 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about the idea of tendering Martin then trading him

Then sign a cheaper backup catcher to tutor/spell Jesus Montero. The problem is Montero’s arbitration number this year will be like 6-7 mil and I can’t think of many contending teams with starting catchers that are notably worse than him. He’s a very average player at his position, so really I think the only way to move him would be for maybe a lefty reliever with a hefty salary.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 17, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do the Yankees need Peter Bourjos?

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 17, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

They don't NEED any position player

But since the Angels are in a logjam I wonder if they will shop one of their non-Trout outfielders. It won’t happen but it was just a thought.

by Briceratops on Oct 17, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The main problem with making Montero a perma-DH is that while A-Rod may be able to hande third base for the next couple of years in 2014-2015-2016 he will be 38-39-40 years old and making 26-22-21 million dollars. Probably too old to play everyday in the field and too expensive for a bench player. If Montero doesn’t play a position it will be tough to get him 600 at-bats a year from 2014 going forward.

by Briceratops on Oct 17, 2011 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

And it continues

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by david d on Oct 16, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

And what continues?

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he can catch...

then why can’t Fielder be the DH?

Unless we’re being dumb saving it for A-Rod losing a great glove in the field and adding a horrible glove and average bat like Nunez.

by DCyanks21 on Oct 16, 2011 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Fielder would require a long deal that would impact when A-Rod will have to DH.

Just because he won’t be a permanent DH next year or maybe the next year, you can’t put someone else in that spot for 5+ years. People really need to let the Fielder foolishness go.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Oct 16, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah you're right.

I just foam at the mouth picturing the 50 home run seasons he would have here.

by DCyanks21 on Oct 16, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

what makes you so sure he'll work out?

Not “work out” in the sense of exercise, of course, but “work out” in the sense of play the way you hope he will? We signed three guys to long-term, big-money contracts three years ago, and only one of them has worked out exactly as we’d hoped, and that guy’s about to get a huge raise. There are several reasons not to sign Fielder, but one of them is the risk – nay, the likelihood – that he’s going to put up a number of seasons well below the value we’re paying for him.

by long time listener on Oct 17, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we get could Fielder for 2 years, then go for it

But like WWJD said he’d get a 5 or 6 year deal, and by then A-Rod will be playing very sparingly at third base at most and will be getting a lot of DH days. Locking Fielder in for 6 years would really put the Yankees into a corner about what to do with A-Rod.

They could improvise I suppose and move Teixeira to third in a couple of years and have Fielder at first, but it’s not worth it.

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by nyyrocks29 on Oct 16, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teixeira only plays 3b in your videogames, dude.

I realize you said “it’s not worth it,” but the fact that the thought came into your head was scary. He hasn’t played their in almost a decade after the 15 games (11 starts) in which he had 7 errors. Those MLB games also listed catcher in Carlos Delgado’s list of possible positions.

Am I the only one flagging this guy?
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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Oct 16, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dumb would mean we're paying $100+ million to another 1B

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by Rorschach44 on Oct 16, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Piazza

was a subpar defensive catcher. Best hitting catcher of all-time. Unless Jesus is completely inadequate behind the dish, then there’s pretty much no reason not to have him there, at least for a long while to see what he can or can’t do.

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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 17, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Every time I hear somebody propose a split time arrangement for Montero, I have to scratch my head. His only real opening on this roster is as the catcher, NOT as a DH, so if he’s struggling behind the plate, it would serve to reason that spending more time there might help his problems.

by 3460kuri on Oct 17, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

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by Brandon C. on Oct 17, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, so you’re saying they need to give him reps at catcher in order for him to get better? Now you’re just talking crazy.

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Oct 17, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

How is the DH not an opening right now?

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 17, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I expect them to have him split time between catcher and DH, but only for next year

I could even see them transitioning him from splitting time to almost exclusively catching as the year goes on (considering that no one other that Martin can catch 162 games straight!)

by pastor2b on Oct 17, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

if they are planning to slowly transition him into catching

thats fine by me, it worked for Posada so it could work here too. I would prefer seeing him as the starting catcher moving forward but perhaps its not the best idea to put all your faith in him just yet (i.e. trading/dumping Martin).

by jetanumba2 on Oct 17, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

I wouldn’t trade/dump Martin anyways, just because it could be good to keep him around for a year as a mentor for Montero

by pastor2b on Oct 17, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

But if Martin comes back they aren’t simply going to make him the backup entirely like I wish they would, so the best possible deal Jesus could get is a split time arrangement. But I do agree, and I said in the post as well, that I strongly prefer him to be the starting catcher entirely.

But how is the DH not open on this team?

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by nyyrocks29 on Oct 17, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's open for a year on a part-time basis

A-Rod, Tex, and Jeter will all need to take more days off, and one way to do that is by having them DH. For that reason, unless the player is willing to take a 1-year deal and not DH every game, the DH role isn’t really open.

by pastor2b on Oct 17, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do people assume Tex needs off days? He’s going into his age 32 season.

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 17, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tex and Jeter need not

ever DH. A-Rod should DH once a week and get a day totally off once a week. Then there’s always Andruw Jones or whoever is going to be the right handed bat off the bench. It’s really simple; Montero should be the starting catcher or trade him.

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by david d on Oct 17, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea he should be the starting catcher

Trade him though? Hell no. There’s nobody available worth trading him for.

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by nyyrocks29 on Oct 17, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the right package

everybody is available.

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by david d on Oct 17, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the DH role isn’t open because it’s Montero’s, not a free agent’s. When A-Rod or Jeter need a DH day, give Martin a day off and let Jesus catch. Problem solved.

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 17, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad to say

If he needs reps at catcher….AAA.

If his bat is too good for AAA, then DH, or left field.

Listen, I say Yogi and Elston Howard play left to get their bat into the lineup, and the outfield was bigger then.

Catching is to critical a position for a sunpar defender.

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by Cbeck3 on Oct 17, 2011 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

saw not say

sorry

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by Cbeck3 on Oct 17, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Oct 17, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montero is not athletic enough to play the outfield

so this just won’t happen. The only way for him to improve as a catcher is to catch major league pitchers who will have better stuff, better command and most likely call their own game anyways.

What is this ‘Catcher defense is essential’ argument? Posada was no elite glove behind the plate, he was there for his bat and we only saw the penalties of that when he got older. All professional catchers can catch a ball, throw to second, if they couldn’t do that then they wouldn’t be a catcher at all.

Do you want your catcher to be able to block the plate, catch balls in the dirt and call pitches? of course, but that stuff can be learned and i’m not sacrificing a great hitting catcher just so Austin Romine can dive on the ground a few times a week. Posada learned to do all three and he worked out fine, so Montero can work out too. Lets not get short sited here and not realize this is the same situation and needs to be dealt in the same manner.

by jetanumba2 on Oct 17, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy the "not athletic enough to play the outfield"

There have been some pretty unathletic right fielders that have plodded out there. Lance Berkman. Miguel Cabrera. Hell, even Jason Giambi started his career as an outfielder. I have a very hard time believing that he wouldn’t be able to do a decent job if he was moved there.

What confuses me about this is the apparent indecisiveness. If the Yankees didn’t think Montero would ever be a major league defensive catcher, they should have moved him to the outfield 2 years ago since that would have been the best opportunity for him to get the most major league at bats over the next few years.

On the other hand, if they do think he can catch, the only way for him to get better is for him to catch…in the majors. My problem with the “keep Martin and split time” idea is that i feel it will end up with Montero hardly ever catching.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 17, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the splitting time idea is the best was to get him in the lineup consistently and get him experience catching

No catcher can catch every single game for the simple reason that it is too hard on the body. As such, Montero wouldn’t be able to catch every game anyways. Add to that a degree of inexperience, and I think we need to give him an increase of playing time over this past September, but not to the level of everyday starter. I think Montero should be catching at least every other day and DHing the rest of the games, with Martin catching when Montero DHs. That way Montero gets plenty of time behind the plate, but still has Martin around as a mentor/backup. Plus, that also lets them juggle catching duties around so that Montero never has to touch a ball thrown by AJ!

by pastor2b on Oct 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's fine in theory

I just worry that Girardi will want the more sure-handed defensive catcher behind the plate more often than not, and that Montero’s time back there will dwindle, especially if he makes mistakes early on. I know this worked with Posada gradually taking over for Girardi himself, but I still favor the “jump right in” approach.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Oct 17, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, if the plan is "sink or swim," what would prevent them from saying that he is sinking after only a few weeks?

If he struggles early on playing every day, they could still decide to start giving Martin almost all the starts at catcher, anyways. If they have a system of alternating set up already, they may be less likely to do that.

by pastor2b on Oct 17, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly.

the Yankees see him as a catcher, otherwise they would have moved him somewhere else, either the outfield or 1b. The fact that they have not is an indication that they still think he is good enough to catch, otherwise they’re not exactly bright.

by jetanumba2 on Oct 17, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montero is one of the slowest professional athletes I have ever seen

He’s probably slower than Posada. Would you really want that in the outfield? The only other position I could see him playing is first base, and Teixeira has that spot locked down through 2016.

They’ve kept him as a catcher, brought him up as a catcher and never moved his position, like you said. If thats the case, then you’d think that they expect he can catch every day in the major leagues. Otherwise they would have moved him a while ago. Unless they plan to trade him, in which case I’ll be even more unhappy.

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 17, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

First off...

noone is slower than Posada. Second, who cares how slow he is as long as he is rounding those bases. I think if he gets a full season under his belt he can belt 30+ homers easy.

by pyroprince on Oct 19, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don’t care how slow he is as a catcher, certainly. Some people are suggesting moving him to the outfield where his lack of speed would be a much bigger deal, which is what nyyrocks was talking about. I don’t think he could or should play the outfield, personally, so his speed, or lack there of, doesn’t bother me.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Oct 19, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen him play live multiple times

If anybody in the league is slower than Posada, he’s the one. Though I’ve never seen them go one on one in a footrace with a stopwatch (or an hourglass). That would be interesting…

And I don’t care how fast he is offensively. Speed isn’t his game. But if you’re an outfielder you need to be able to run a little bit. Catchers don’t. His speed doesn’t concern me as a catcher, but it becomes a huge concern if he gets converted to right field for whatever reason that Randy Levine thinks of (because we know he’s the one behind it if it ever happens).

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 19, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Posada was considered fleet of foot for a catcher in his younger days. Just think if Montero slows at the pace Posada did. He may need 4 or 5 steps before he actually begins to move.

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by david d on Oct 20, 2011 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Romine!

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by david d on Oct 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Romine sucks

he’s just above-average behind the plate and he can’t hit nearly as well as Jesus

by 2xtheBully on Oct 17, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because he doesn't hit as well as Jesus

Doesn’t mean he sucks. You sound like a clown when you say that.

by Yankees10 on Oct 17, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will now quote myself
Under absolutely no circumstances should he or will he play the outfield

Let us all congratulate the Boston Red Sox for becoming the first World Champions in the history of sports to NOT make the postseason! Thats not easy to do!

by nyyrocks29 on Oct 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody here is qualified to scout Montero's defense behind the plate

The Yankees kept him in AAA all season because he needed reps. In September he caught a total of 22 innings and Girardi preferred Romine over him. Regardless of what you saw of Montero on tv it seems the Yankees aren’t confident in his ability to catch full time in 2012. If they thought otherwise he’d have more reps in September, right? Thankfully Mattin is under team control for another year and hopefully Montero is good enough to catch full time in 2013. Until that happens Montero is equal parts catcher/dh/trade chip.

Also, if Jesus reaches his full potential and rakes would you even want him to be a catcher and have all the bruises and injuries that come along with that?

by Now Batting on Oct 17, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

On an offense first team like the Yankees, yes I want him to be a catcher. He won’t be able to be in the lineup every day as DH, either, because we need that position open for other players to take half-days-off. In a few years that position will belong to A-Rod exclusively. A passable catcher with an incredible bat is far more valuable than a DH who can’t play any positions in the field but has an incredible bat. We can find a DH anywhere; we can’t find a hitting catcher anywhere.

by pastor2b on Oct 17, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree:

In September he caught a total of 22 innings and Girardi preferred Romine over him. Regardless of what you saw of Montero on tv it seems the Yankees aren’t confident in his ability to catch full time in 2012. If they thought otherwise he’d have more reps in September, right?

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by Frank Campagnola on Oct 17, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of Yankee prospects who haven't gotten a fair shake

I’m getting on board the El-Chato-in-Chavez’s-spot bandwagon right now.

by long time listener on Oct 17, 2011 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Romine is the future if you want catching defense. Montero is the future if you just want a bat.

Martin is the present. He splits the difference between Romine and Montero in terms of offense and defense. No team needs a Silver Slugger award at every position. Every time I saw Burnett or Nova bounce a pitch in the dirt, I was glad that Martin was catching and not Posada or Montero. Don’t sell run prevention short.

by designatedquitter on Oct 18, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

but don't ignore run support

offense is always valued over defense, so why should this be any different. If he was physically incapable to fielding the position than he would have been moved to another position years ago. He can catch. As long as he’s as good as Posada was than we have nothing to complain about. The Angels traded Napoli because ‘he couldn’t catch’ apparently. He looked fine behind the plate and great at the plate. The Angels have Jeff Mathis. Who won out? Keep Martin or Romine as a backup for sure, but Montero is valuable as a power hitting catcher in a league that is sparse in that.

by jetanumba2 on Oct 18, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

everyone take a deep breath

As I’ve said numerous times, Montero is 21 years old and his time will come. He has a lot to learn. Flashback to 1998, Jorge’s first year catching over 100 games. He was 26 at the time but was in the system for many years and putting up solid numbers in the minors. Joe Girardi, and his 0.5 home runs per season, but excellent chemistry with the pitching staff, got those starts behind the plate instead. That Girardi guy just happens to be the manager now, and he loves him some Russell Martin. Not rocket science.

by total hermination on Oct 18, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting piece in the Hardball Times today

The piece takes into account both pitch-framing and pitch-blocking.

The result: Russell Martin is overall well above average (6th by an adjusted WAR that accounts for fielding effects missing from UZR) and Jorge Posada (and Jose Molina, supporting Frankie Camp’s assertion) are below average.

by PortlandYankee on Oct 18, 2011 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Hm, do you remember where I said that? I remember saying it, but I don’t remember what post I commented that on.

Contributing writer for Pinstripe Alley.

by Frank Campagnola on Oct 20, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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