All-Time Yankees Roster: Backup Catcher
by Brandon C. on Sep 7, 2010 11:00 PM EDT
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PrintBefore going into pitching, let's finish off the offense. Yogi Berra won the starting catcher job, here's your vote for his backup. Voting ends at 9:00 PM tomorrow.
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I urge everyone here to look at Bill Dickey's B-Ref page.
Dickey: 17 seasons, 55 WAR, 313/382/486 (868 OPS), 3062 TB (shorter seasons, avg. 277), +20 TZ runs (slightly above average fielder).
Munson: 11 seasons, 43 WAR, 292/346/410 (756 OPS), 2190 TB (avg. 249), +32 TZ (above average fielder).
Posada: 16 seasons, 48 WAR, 276/378/481 (859 OPS), 2738 TB (avg. 262), -27 TZ runs (slightly below average fielder).
In other words, offensively Dickey>Posada>>>Munson, and defensively Munson>Dickey>>>Posada.
I know we like Munson and Posada because we saw them play and have emotional attachments, but neither player was as good as Bill Dickey.
FWIW, WAR/162
Dickey 5.5, Munson 5.3, Posada 5.0
by PortlandYankee on Sep 7, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Idk
I voted in favor of him
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Sep 8, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Because I (and some others) think Thurmon Munson is a better choice
There is no bad choice between the two of them (I love me some Jorge and Howard, but they are clearly a rung or two below the top here). Bill Dickey is in the HoF on merit, yes. I firmly believe that Munson was headed that way until he was killed in the plane crash at 32. I think the eras that they played in overstate the offensive differences between them, and defense is important to me in a backup catcher, especially for Yogi. Most of all, though, Munson as leader in the clubhouse, a former Captain of the Yankees.
Babe Ruth only garnered 73% of the vote for RF
DFA
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
Dickey
I’d call up Munson when the rosters expand
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
On this and many other sites I never vote for players who I have never seen play. This means anyone whose career did not start by 1950 will not get my vote .
That excludes many Yankee greats including Bill Dickey. Additionally i believe that the stats from that earlier era are notably liberal due to the color barrier and no night time baseball. Competition matters.
I voted for Berra and Posada.
So you're saying
Every other post-1950 RF >>> Ruth?
Every other post-1950 1B >>> Gehrig?
Tools actually exist that allow you to make sound comparisons of players across eras. But, whichever, go nuts.
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
by Captain_Mick on Sep 8, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand...
No expansion pitching, much less competition from other sports because baseball was the glamour sport = more potential good athletes/players (soccer? basketball? football? are you kidding?) no ’roids, no personal training, doubleheaders often, every game in the summer heat with no cooler night games, overnight train trips to St. Louis from NY, the need to actually get a job and work in the offseason for most players, legal spitballs, medical care that consisted on rubbing dirt on it and getting back out there…granted, no black players, but seriously, that in no way discounts what the players of that time were doing.
Incidentally, would you omit A-Rod since “the stats from that era are notably liberal” due to steroid usage?
“This means anyone whose career did not start by 1950 will not get my vote .” A little confusing, but I get your point.
But you voted for Berra, who started in 1946.
Also, by your standards, on an all-time Dodger team, Jackie Robinson is out. He didn’t face many black players in the majors either, I guess.
Dickey, by the stats, all the way.
I voted for Munson as backup catcher, for a couple of reasons
(1) Defense.
(2) Leadership/Clubhouse presence. It’s not for nothing that Munson was named Captain.
I’m not downgrading Bill Dickey at all – there isn’t a wrong answer between Dickey & Munson. Dickey’s offensive numbers are inflated by when he played – the 1930’s were one of the most offense-heavy times in baseball, and he hit .351 in 1943 while most frontline players were in the military – while Munson’s were set in a much less offensive-oriented day and age. But Dickey’s reliability and durability were unmatched, although Munson of course tragically died off the field.
Bill Dickey bar none
Bill taught the great yogi how to catch.
While Munson was a scrapper and never liked to lose..he was starting to wear down and more than likely would have end up like Mattingly did. . With the players on that team i don’t need another nice player with leadership skills. That is why I hired Casey to manage them and Lou Gehrig to captain them.
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