Around the Yankee Galaxy: 0-2
by Travis G on Sep 7, 2010 6:30 AM EDT
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PrintWhat a strange game. The team is obviously better with A-Rod in the lineup, yet they've gone 21-3 this year without him and 0-2 since his return on Sunday. Funny how that works.
- Baltimore's last win in New York came almost exactly one year ago (Sept. 12, 2009) -
On that day, Brian Matusz beat A.J. Burnett -- the same pitchers of record as yesterday. The buzz after that game was that Burnett was the Yankees' biggest question mark as they approached the playoffs. He still is.
I can't disagree.
- Speaking of A-Rod: with two RBI yesterday, he reached 100 for the 14th time in his career, breaking a four-way tie between himself, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and Jimmie Foxx. Some company.
- If you're going to be near Trenton, New Jersey on Thursday, you might want to attend the Thunder game. Andy Pettitte will make a rehab start for them in a Double-A playoff game.
- The Scranton Yankees finished their season as the top team in the IL's North Division with a 12-inning win over Lehigh Valley. Jesus Montero homered in the first inning. To quote the announcer -
I've only been here for two of the three years; that is the longest home run I have seen hit to left-centerfield by far. That was absolutely crushed.
Scranton will face Columbus in the first round, best of five series starting Wednesday.
- How much will the Yankees pay Derek Jeter? A rival blogger ponders that question.
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Hats off to A-Rod on his individual accomplishment
The first player ever to record 14 seasons with 100+ RBI. That’s incredible consistency.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
After A-Rod got an extension of THREE HUNDRED MILLION (!)
to play through his age 42 season? He expects Jeter to publicly take a paycut? I know the guy’s from New England, but wow.
by pkyankeefan on Sep 7, 2010 7:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's completely different than A-Rod's situation
A-Rod had just peaked and was in the prime of his career, following the best season we have seen from any Yankee since Mickey Mantle. He’s better than Jeter to begin with, too, and he had a position he and the Yankees knew he was going to stick in. And the Yankees are going to make a BIG profit from Alex with that contract once he breaks (sorry, IF he breaks) all the major offensive records (steroids or not, it’s still gonna get buzz and it’s still gonna get the Yanks a ton of money).
Jeter is in a contract year, 36 years of age, having the worst season of his career by far. The signed him to that huge deal in 2001 when he was in the prime of his career, a premier shortstop in the game. He is no longer that. He’s going to have to move from shortstop eventually and is going to soon have to move from the top of the order too. You don’t pay 20 million to what you know is going to eventually become a bottom of the order corner outfielder. The only reason people even consider giving him that money is because he’s Derek Jeter.
I hate all Boston sports teams
Oh, absolutely agree with all of that
My point was that Jeter does have a big ego. Suggesting that he should publicly acknowledge that he needs to take a pay cut is something he just won’t (and shouldn’t need to) do.
by pkyankeefan on Sep 7, 2010 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At this point I think it's all hot air
I read something that cited “unnamed former teammates” saying that Jeter’s ego will demand a contract similar to A-Rod’s. Next we’re going to hear about what pet psychics and Sarah Palin have to say about it (I value their opinions in that order).
Truth is, the only reason this has come up now is because there isn’t much else that’s terribly interesting to talk about at the moment, and that will change in about two weeks.
I think there’s a symbiotic need between the two. Sure, the Yankees will survive and continue to win without Jeter, but he’s been the face of their franchise for the last 15 years. You give as much as you can reasonably give to keep him in pinstripes. At the same time, I think Jeter loses some of his allure if he plays for some other team. Frankly, putting aside his expectations (whatever they are), no other team is likely to pay him even half of the Yankees are offering, nor will he have the opportunity to play in the postseason every year.
Agreed, Michael
And +1 for your ranking of relevant commentators. I don’t like bringing up politics here, but I laughed.
by pkyankeefan on Sep 7, 2010 3:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jeter isn't from New England?
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Sep 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh nevermind
I got you now
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Sep 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and
A-Rod is just a statistical accumulator who will never be clutch. No wonder we do worse with him
/sarcasm
by pkyankeefan on Sep 7, 2010 7:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If you haven’t read the Joe Poz article thinking about Jeter, it’s a must read.
I agree with Poz that 3 things matter to Jeter:
Money
Shortstop
Leadoff
I think you can get him to take a 3 year deal, and I think you can take away one thing per season.
I’d start by clarifying in the off season that Jeter should expect to hit lower in the lineup in 2011 until he starts to hit like Derek Jeter again.
During 2011 start having him shag fly balls in left or right, then he splits his time between short and outfield in 2012.
After the 2012 season, if he wants to keep playing the money gets evaluated for real this time, a la Pettitte in 2009.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
I like this idea.
Only question I have is how open is Derek to playing a corner outfield spot? I haven’t read or heard anything on his opinion of the matter. Maybe he has said something I may have just missed it though. But I do agree with what you have to say.
Switch
Has anybody given any thought to switching Robby and DJ? I think there is some ability in Robby to play SS and Derek is losing his arm and range so 2b might be a better fit.
I've never heard that floated
I’m not sure Cano has the range to play SS (though you might say the same about Jeter). Doesn’t make sense to have two guys playing positions they aren’t really suited for. I think if the Yankees put Jeter at second it would involve trading Cano, presumably for a young shortstop to take Jeter’s place. And I doubt that scenario is going to happen.
by long time listener on Sep 7, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard Cano mentioned for third when Arod was hurt last season, but never for shortstop. While Robbie could probably play short, I think his best defensive attributes are his range and his speed on the pivot. His range is less spectacular at short than it is at second, and he loses the pivot entirely.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Congrats to A-Rod
100 RBI in 14 different seasons is some accomplishment no matter what you believe about him or how you slice it. And whats even more incredible is, we can expect another possible 3-4 seasons of similar production- maybe even more.
It’s nice to see that Alex seems to have a nice stroke off the DL. 3-7 with a HR so far is solid. He’ll need some streak to get to 30 HR again, but we should have learned from last year to never count him out. To use Michael Kay’s words, he has “defied the odds before”. And if Marcus Thames can go on a huge HR streak like he did recently, there isn’t any reason A-Rod can’t.
As far as Jeter is concerned, I think he should take a paycut. Doesn’t mean he will- in fact he probably won’t. But he should. He’s not worth 20 million dollars anymore. He’s going to move to the outfield and move to the bottom of the order. The Yankees are already going to have a 40+ year old Alex Rodriguez making 25 million dollars, and that contract is going to keep him in the starting lineup until the end of 2017, regardless of how he is playing. Don’t give Jeter an even more ridiculous contract playing into his 40s. Like I said, the only reason people even consider giving him that money is because of his name. And because the Yankees want to “respect” Jeter it may end up hurting the team, both short and long term.
I hate all Boston sports teams
Agree 100%
Arod’s contract set the precident and Jeter will get $20MM per year until he is 42.
We all appreciate Jeter for what he has done & accomplished for himself and more importantly our yankee team over the years but these contracts will have a negative affect on us going forward.
We need to restructure Arod’s contract to allow us more salary flexibility & offer Jeter a more realistic future contract based upon expected future performance
by YANKEES FOREVER on Sep 7, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 for Mr Rocks.
Arod is getting paid because management acknowledges that his chase of various homerun milestones will put butts in seats and generate revenue. Derek Jeter will attract attention as he nears 3000 hits, but that’s about it.
Objectively, ARod is overpaid now and will become more overpaid evry year going forward. It’s likely to be the same for Jeter. Be grateful that you root for a team that can essentially “waste” $20m per year on non-productive salary and not miss a beat.
by designatedquitter on Sep 7, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
Arod i feel like has more potential to rebound and give closer to his worth.
as long has his power is there even if his avg falls, he still can be of much value to the team. And even if we look at this off year for him, he’s still on pace to be a 4+ war player which isn’t bad given injuries, slow start etc. Pus not only does he have the hr thing, but also tend to for get Arod is just 350 hits away from his 3000th hits also.
Jeter is more of a concern as he does not have power or defense to fall back on. he can most certainly rebound, but i feel like he has lesser of a chance to play up to his contract.
Travis G, agree with your “can’t disagree” about A.J. Several posters mocked the Jayson Stark tweet that I posted at the bottom of the open thread last night, but the stats don’t lie: NY’s 4-13 in his last 17 starts, and 1-6 since July (with a 6.58 ERA). That equals almost an automatic loss in the playoffs, esp. since we’ll be facing consistently excellent competition. I sure hope he turns it around, but time’s running short; it’s almost to the point where yesterday’s outing (4 ER in 7 IP) is treated as a Good A.J. sighting. Here’s a piece on Joe G’s willingness to give A.J. a longer leash, though:
yea giving AJ a long leash while giving javy and nova nothing really bothered me
yes, AJ is here for the long term but what kind of message does it send when you tell one pitcher , we took you out cuz we wanted to win then do the complete opposite wit the other. 6 innings + of Aj was enough for us especially since we now actually have a decent pen with enough reliever to pitch thru 4 inning easy.
I wasn't mocking you, even though bringing the team's record in games started by a particular pitcher only obfuscates the argument
What I meant was that his last two outings have not been implosions. Considering his ability to implode against anyone and everyone, why would you make changes now and treat this as a “crisis” when you didn’t do it earlier?
I wouldn’t have been averse to skipping an AJ start, but now – doing it now just seems counterintuitive.
by pkyankeefan on Sep 7, 2010 2:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
speaking of the Jeter contract situation
Fangraphs is “crowdsourcing” his next contract – i.e., asking people to submit what they think he will get. I submitted 3 years and $18 million per year, though that might be wishful thinking.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/contract-crowdsourcing-derek-jeter/
by long time listener on Sep 7, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
What’s his average per year on this contract?
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
on his current contract?
It’s $189 million for 10 years, so $18.9 million. So he’d be taking a bit of a pay cut, but nothing drastic.
by long time listener on Sep 7, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol this funny... I say minks might be the root od Jeter's problems...
Not serious obvliously..still http://gawker.com/5632121/minka-kellys-airplane-freak+out-happening-right-now
by lololol on Sep 7, 2010 4:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That is a wonderful point
One day you will find him striking out the Sox side in a Champagne IvanNova in the sky
I am Curtis Granderson, and so should you
http://twitter.com/MattF15
by MattF15 on Sep 7, 2010 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I will second that statement
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Sep 8, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Fail
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Sep 7, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We're doomed
One day you will find him striking out the Sox side in a Champagne IvanNova in the sky
I am Curtis Granderson, and so should you
http://twitter.com/MattF15
I’d give Jeter whatever he wants. He’s a great player, plus the intangibles. One of the greatest Yankees ever. I think he’s worth more to the team than A-rod. Never should have paid A-rod that much.
Scott Boras generally gets his way
And you can’t argue against A-Rod’s numbers
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Sep 8, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
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