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Trying to understand what’s wrong with Derek Jeter

 

As a fan who doesn’t watch the games live (I live in Europe) I realize my perspective doesn’t match that of the viewers and fans who watch the Bombers day in and day out; and it’s specifically for that reason that I’m asking for your opinions on Derek Jeter.  I would like to preface my comments by saying that I’m as big a Jeter fan as you’ll find.  I get no joy from pointing out his declining stats, and am of the opinion that whatever might be wrong with him can be remedied with some tinkering of his swing or something technical.   Of course there is also the chance that he’s just having one of those blah years that all players have.  He’s certainly entitled to one with all that he’s accomplished, but above all there’s that part of me that wants him to finish out his career here as a productive player because it would be too painful to see Derek getting 15 million per year based mainly on his past achievements while his current play indicates he’s not worth that.  Derek is special in a way A-Rod never will be, no matter what A-Rod has accomplished or accomplishes with us from here on out.

 

At this point in the season the numbers aren’t going to change much.  After Sunday’s game Derek was hitting .264 (.334 last year) with and OBP of .332 (.406 last year) and a Slugging percentage of .374 (.465 last year).  There is one stat of Derek’s this year that doesn’t jive with this line of decreasing percentages, and it’s arguably the most important stat of all: runs scored.  Derek has scored 96 runs, which I believe is second or third in the AL, and he scored 107 last year.  It’s not at all a stretch to say that Derek will equal his runs scored from 2009 or surpass it with a far lower OBP.  This defies logic.  I recall when Knoblauch’s OBP started to plummet with the Yanks his runs scored followed suit.  I can recall three instances this week where Derek hit into a force play and came around to score a run.  That’s basically a reward for not having hit into a double play, and I say this fully aware that to some degree a batter cannot control where he directs the ball.  Let’s just say for the sake of argument that that’s happened 10 times this year. Depending on certain factors, it certainly detracts from the run that’s scored, though I imagine it happened quite few times last year too.  In any event, his runs scored total is a good one.

 

I am appealing to the members of Pinstripe Alley to give me their opinions.  I’ve read many posts by various members (Lord Duggan is the best example) on other topics that have proven to me that they have the technical baseball insight to determine if Jeter’s swing is too long; if his arms are too high, or if perhaps that stance that has always allowed him to drive even tough outside pitches the other way while at the same time being quick enough to either turn on the inside pitch or fist it the other way, is somehow in need of modification.  Having only the stats and highlights from MLB.com at my disposal it’s impossible for me to see if he’s simply hitting hard balls that are getting caught (from the way they’re described it doesn’t seem that way) and having a hard-luck year to some degree (He’s 36.  It’s not uncommon for players to start to decline at that age, although they don’t tend to decline this quickly in one year).  It seems like he’s really late on above average heat (93 and up. Lots of players started cheating on the fastball at around that age, Eddie Murray for one) pitches and topping a lot of breaking balls.  

 

As I said, I’m really looking for some input from members of this group because firstly I want to know about and am genuinely interested in technical explanations, and secondly, as a fan of the Yanks and Derek I want to believe that everything can be remedied.  He’s still a good player, but this season constitutes a MAJOR drop off.  

 

PS: I know I’m too wordy and use parentheses too often.  I thank you for your patience.



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I can tell you why Jeter's run scored are so high

Swisher, Teixeira, A-Rod, Cano.

Swisher is having a career year. Teixeira has turned it on of late. A-Rod has been as clutch as you can get (which explains his 98 RBI). And Cano is having a breakout, MVP caliber season. With all these guys hitting after him producing, Jeter is scoring a lot when he does get on base even though he isn’t getting on base as often.

Thats a result of his teammates driving him in though. It’s not like he’s been like GGBG, who can create his own runs by stealing bases and having a really high OBP. There’s no way around it. Jeter is having an awful season. Hope he turns it around for the playoffs, because I just watched the Joe Girardi show and he said there is no chance he’s taking Jeter out of the top of the lineup.

I hate all Boston sports teams

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 5, 2010 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Having a down year,

got hit on the hand with a 95mph fastball around May pretty sure. And also once that average and all a that was below by July, it just seems Jeet is pressing.

Don’t think there’s anything else. Its just a combo of everything

Don’t think its really an age factor either, cuz he is just as good as he was last year at SS, so there.

Unfortunately is a contract year, but I’d rather wait till next year to see where Jeter’s really at. For all anyone knows, he could bat .330 with a .400+ OBP again next year.

Just seems there’s really nothing to understand or really pin-point at the reason.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 5, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I know what's wrong with him

He’s THIRTY-SIX YEARS OLD.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Sep 6, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

which is one year older then 35 years old

when he had one of his best seasons of the decade.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not that uncommon...

For hall of fame players in their mid to late thirties to have bad years. It doesn’t necessarily mean they’re finished. For example, in George Brett’s age 36 season his OPS dropped from .898 to .793. The following year it bounced back up to .902 and he won the batting title. Wade Boggs had the worst year of his career at age 34 and then went on to hit .300 or better the next 4 seasons. Paul Molitor is another player who had isolated down years in his 30’s.

There are of course other players who hit a wall in their mid 30’s and were never great again. Robin Yount. Roberto Alomar. Still I don;t think this season means Jeter’s done. It just means he’s having a bad year. He shouldn’t not be re-signed. He shouldn’t be moved down in the order.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Sep 6, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its odd yes

a decline has to or will have to come at some time. All we can hope for is that he at least brings some magic into the postseason. He’s a gamer when it comes down to it.

"That's what you're in business for. You try to make a success."
Quotation of George Steinbrenner

R.I.P Boss, you made Yankee fans proud.

by ReggieARodJeter on Sep 6, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

he led off the game with a double today. I hope he winds up making me look stupid.

by chambliss76 on Sep 6, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Have to agree...

with Casanova Wong. As you may know if you follow sabermetric studies, these are the declining years of a player’s career. The superstars and near superstars (from Mays to George Brett to Chipper Jones) are usually the only players who manage to last into their late 30’s and be productive.

To confirm this, check out the lifetime stats of any player you want. Draw your own conclusions. (Try to skip the steroid-HGH users, who’ve confused everybody the last 10 to 20 years or so.) There is nothing that you can ever know for sure about any player in any year, other than that 36 is old for a baseball player.

Just a comment: Jeter looks like he’s having a hard time keeping up with the fastball. This I believe is common in aging players. I hope he can have another good year, but very few players have had really good years at 37. Jeter’s one of my favorite players, but I’m being realistic.

by yankee-face on Sep 6, 2010 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you may be on to something

with the fastball. Jeter has said that he looks for the fastball and reacts to the breaking ball. However, this year I have seen him sometimes begin his swing early, as though he is anxious about being able to get around on the fastball. Of course, when he does that, he will swing over the breaking ball. It seems to me that he has had more ground balls and more strikeouts than usual and has not hit as often to the right side. All of that would be consistent with an early swing.

Mickey C

by Mickey C on Sep 8, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

jeters slump

he should use a lighter bat been using same bat since he came up. reflexs slowing up .

by maine yankee66 on Sep 8, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeter's stance

The problem Jeter is having is he changed his approach at the plate. Have you noticed he tips the bat head towards the pitcher now…maybe a timing mechanism, but anyone who ever swung a bat knows you gotta keep your hands still. The bat dip disrupts the flow of his swing. Hands Way Too Busy!

by Stinger0623 on Sep 8, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

its a very simple answer with a difficult solution

the problem is that jeter is now engaged. without his partylife to keep him distracted when not playing baseball, he is overthinking. he needs to be able to get out on the town and be a playboy a little longer. sadly his fiance is preventing that. what we need to do is break them up. any suggestions? i think we should look at his splits between jeter as a bachelor and jeter engaged and let the stats speak for themselves.

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by nodisrespect on Sep 8, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Understanding what's wrong with Jeter

Yankees really need to get a new shortstop. Jeter’s NEVER been an excellent fielder.
His range is limited, and he gets all the calls his way when he botches a ground ball.
There are so many better defensive shortstops in the league, that it is not even funny anymore.

Texas has 2 shortstops, Elvis Andrus & Michael Young, both MUCH better defensively than Jeter. Andrus has maybe an extra 10 feet in range going both left and right when
compared to Jeter.

by frankiec on Sep 9, 2010 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Young is not as good a SS as Jeter

and to say he’s never been a good fielder is to only watch him since about 2006. He’s got about 10 years on ya.

Andrus sucks too. I’d rather have Ramiro Pena

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 9, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, unfortunately, to say that he IS a good fielder is a product of watching Gatorade commercials of jump throws on the Four Letter Network, not on anything factual.

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by Lord Duggan on Sep 9, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

My own 2 eyes say that he gets the job done.

I don’t need some dork in Idaho who puts together the UZR to tell me that.

But I didn’t say anything about what he is now.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 11, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

taking emotion out of it

when you look at something purely logically, arod should have stayed at short and jeter moved to third. arod after all was a far better fielder then jeter. but there was simply no chance that this new comer was gonna displace the captain. defensively we have needed a new shortstop for this entire millennium other then last season.

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by nodisrespect on Sep 9, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd say things have worked out quite well with him manning the position

If the Yankees had missed the playoffs season after season, then I would see reason for concern. He hasn’t killed the team at all… so why are you ripping him as if he has?

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III

by Chris McKeown on Sep 9, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was O'Neill

who mentioned he’s rolling over on the breaking ball, and from what little I’ve seen it DOES appear his hands are too busy. His swing seems long. Being that you’ve got an entire year of declining skills to look at it would seem odd to me that Kevin Long hasn’t sais something to Jeter, or Vice Versa. I’m not saying there’s been no communication. At this point the fact that something is wrong seems incontrovertible. This is out numner one or two hitter. This kind of impotence (and that’s what it’s been recently) could be a serious factor in the Yankees advancing or not in the postseason. I’m more than a bit concerned.

by chambliss76 on Sep 9, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

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