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Fire Joe Girardi, Part 3

Part 1: 2008 edition.

Part 2: 2009 edition.

I can't decide whether I mean Fire Joe Girardi or not.  The Yankees are on an simple path to the playoffs, so step one of the Championship defense is in place. 

In the context of a full season, I don't think Joe G is any better or worse than any other manager in baseball.  I think he is (generally) a better than average bullpen manager in his willingness to spread the workload evenly, but I think he's below average in his handling of the position players (a la getting Arod days off last year and this year, leaving Jeter in the leadoff spot all season, and burying GGBG on the bench last postseason).

The team is a single game removed from the best record in baseball despite not having a second starter since mid-July, the best bullpen in baseball, and despite its recent struggles, the best offense in baseball.

All that said, last night's game was infuriating.

Star-divide

While much of my initial rage over letting Gaudin and Mitre pitch has been mollified by reports that Joba and D-Rob were unavailable, I have to ask: Why were they both unavailable?  If the answer is just to get them extra rest, then fire Joe Girardi.

Here's what I really don't get: Joe G. was willing to use Rivera in a tie game in Texas, but not in a tie game in Tampa.  What changed?  Both were the first game of a 3 game series, but in one the Yanks used their best reliever, and in another they didn't.


Here's my second Fire Joe Girardi moment.  Ok, Chad Gaudin is pitching in the most important game to this point in the season- I'm past that.  But after Gaudin has not had an easy inning. 5 pitches to K Pena and 7 pitches to K Joyce.  Then Navarro walks on 5 pitches. 17 pitches for Gaudin total.  Dan Johnson hits a single on the 5th pitch of his AB. 22 pitches total.  Up come BJ Upton.

The average plate appearance lasts 3.8 pitches, and since league average WHIP is 1.35, basic arithmetic tells us that the average inning lasts around 16.5 pitches (I'm assuming no DPs).  We also know that when we worry about pitch counts, pitches per inning are as important or more important than pitches per game.

So after 22 pitches, with the winning run on third, I'm ready for a pitching change, but I can understand sticking with the man on the mound.

And then BJ Upton worked a 9 pitch walk. 31 pitches on the inning.  Joe G has got to go get Gaudin now right?  He's been out there pitching this one half inning for longer than CC and Price combined to pitch the third inning (including the commercial break).

It took Gaudin another 5 pitches to strike out Brad Haupt.  Why was he still on the mound in a tie game in extra inning?  Unless Joe G thought resting his better pitches was more important than winning the game.  Unless, after watching his offense sputter and fail, he'd already accepted that he was going to lose this game.

Fire Joe Girardi.


Curtis Granderson's bunt in the top of the 11th is the move that really has me seeing red.  It's not that I'm opposed to the bunt in all situations.  Even in the AL, there are times that the bunt is the right move, especially in situations like last night when a single run is the difference between a win and a loss.

But there are two caveats.

1) If you bunt, bunt for a hit.  Never give up the out.

2) Never bunt in a 2-0 count.  2-0 and 3-1 are called hitters counts for a reason.  This is especially true if you are a speedy center fielder with a .760 OPS.

At times, Joe G. seems to be an able tactician.  And then there are games like last night. 

Joe G.'s contract is up after the season.  If he wants them, he certainly would have no shortage of suitors.  Would that really be the worst thing for the Yankees?

Is the devil we know really better than the devil we don't?

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"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Sep 14, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Umm...

I don’t really see how you can complain about the playoffs last year. Sure, we all second guessed starting melky over GGBG, but they won the series regardless. It’s not like they would have gotten double rings for starting gardner. As far as the bullpen, apparently Joba and Houdini Robertson were unavailable, and don’t forget how many innings Mo had pitched in the previous days. You don’t want to overload Mo and have him tired or injured for the playoffs. The only thing I would have done differently considering who was available is let Boone Logan pitch a full inning.

by Wraithpk on Sep 14, 2010 10:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

just because it worked doesn't mean it was a good idea

You’re right that we can’t complain too much because we won, but if he makes the same mistakes this year, we’re more likely to lose. This is not to say that I agree that we should “fire Girardi,” but there’s no reason to pretend there isn’t a problem when there is one.

by long time listener on Sep 14, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

there’s no reason to pretend there isn’t a problem when there is one.

That’s really my point.

Good results from a bad decision don’t forgive the bad decision.

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by jscape2000 on Sep 14, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad i'm not the only one

who thinks Joe might be shaving runs to beat the spread in Vegas this year? Some mighty suspicious happenings this year.

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by cashman bashman on Sep 14, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Q to ponder

“Is the devil we know really better than the devil we don’t?”

"‘cause he’s worried about everything, and he tries to win all the time."
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by dorsal on Sep 14, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

The real problems

Yankees need to:

1. Replace Jeter (he is finished!)
2. Get a new batting coach
3. Replace Posada (he is finished)
4. Replace the third base coach (Mr. Decaffeinated)
5. Put ARod on steroids!
6. Send Burnett back to Toronto or Saskatchewan
7. Make Granderson the new altar boy at St. Patrick’s, and get a tough guy to play CF
8. Start looking for a new manager and ship Girardi back to Miami

by bongoman19 on Sep 14, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

GENIUS!

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by MattF15 on Sep 14, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also pinch hitting Berkman for Thames

thames is not automatically neutralized by righties girardi! more than half of thames hr came of right handed pitching, yet girardi always has this need to replace thames. i mean if berkman was starting let him start, if thames is start let him start. it irked me that they replaced a good hitter with a good hitter, when they should have had berkman replace say…colin curtis with RISP? but his early use of berkman with 1 out, no one on disallowed him from using him in a more crucial situation of of RISP 1 out and leaving the bat in the hands of Curtis. At worst maddon goes to the pen gets a lefty to face berkman but it would also result in a better match up for jeter who seems to only hit lefties these days.

by lololol on Sep 14, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Watch out for Boston & the wild card

The playoffs are not set yet and Boston or Chicago could take the wild card if we continue to lose close games.

Unfortunately, AGE has definitely shown its affects this year as we have not been able to shake the Rays due to declining performance of key players.

I hope we get a second wind and play like the champions we are and being paid for.

by YANKEES FOREVER on Sep 14, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Losing a game like last night's

is nothing to be ashamed of. What we do tonite will be a better indication. If we take it on the chops, there better be a lot of assessing in the clubhouse. If we eke it out, OK as this is a real team we areplaying. If we slam them, all this anxiety will go away.

by Nine mike charlie on Sep 14, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

There really is no panic, but we oughta

1. Get rid of both Mitre and Gaudin. Mitre lost every 5th game last year and has only marginal work this. Gaudin is a double time failure and is an extreme risk out there.
2. Jeter has got to get out of leadoff. He should be ninth. He doesn’t give a dang about being moved out of first if they win. Of any guy on the club he will do what it takes.
3. Better hope Swish and Gardy get OK and soon. If not, convert the OF into a hit and run grouop, forget thelong ball stuff. Golson and Grandy and Nunez can fly. Use the speed.
4. When Gardy and Swish come back, go back to the year long lineup with exception of Gardy leading off and Jete in the 9 slot.
5. Under any circumstance, put Robby back to 5 and maybe even four with ARod five.
6. Get Javy fired up to be middle relief. We have to feel better with him in there than Mitre or Gaudin.
7. DH Thames and Berkmann. Rest are PH.

by Nine mike charlie on Sep 14, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with most of what you say except #1

I don’t think you can judge Mitre based on last year since (as far as I can remember) he spent the whole second half of the season trying to clean up Joba’s messes.

by pastor2b on Sep 14, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think either guy is reliable

Yanks would be better bringing a starter up from the minors as the long man. These two always walk a tightrope. Unless its mopup work, I dont want to see either in a game again.

by YankeesJets on Sep 14, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I guess I should've specified what I don't agree with there

I do agree with you/him that Gaudin and Mitre are a bit of a crapshoot in big situations. What I didn’t agree with was judging Mitre based on last year. His appearances this year are more than sufficient to judge him.

by pastor2b on Sep 14, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that

I try to judge guys based on the year we are in. There are special exceptions when you talk about guys like Jeter or Posada but Mitre does nothing for me. He is an interchangeable part.

by YankeesJets on Sep 14, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

un-unh, he was

used as a fifth starter for I think about a month plus and we were immediately behind (sort of like we are with AJ every game now) by the end of the second, or he got bombed. Think he won maybe one of the 6-7 starts and basically we losst every 5th game as a given during that stretch.

by Nine mike charlie on Sep 14, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next year should be

Another decisive off season result on the horizon. Granderson is a great kid and can fly and is good CF, but this experiment at best was a loss. We need to spend the dough and get Crawford. With him in LF and Gardy in CF and,, yes, Nick again in RF, unless an Ichiro quality (old but for sure reliable) comes up, the hitting is solved and the fielding is among the best. Jeter looks right now as if he will have one more good year. There is plenty of young talent available if not. The rest of the IF will be repeats of the last few. Go get Cliff. With Lee, CC, Nova, and Hughes, we have a foursome and have to develop a fifth. AJ ought to be considered trade bait if anyone wants him. If not, we are stuck with him. Javy will be gone; use AJ for long relief. Trade Joba as this kid’s mind is gone thanks to the idiocies we played with him last year. He might come back to burn us in some games, but give him a chance. He has none in pinstripes. We have enough growing young BP and need to find Mo’s replacement by next year. Wouldn’t hurt to have Mo and Mo jr in the same pen. Right now Jorge looks like he has had it. Cervelli is an adequate #2 but not full time player. Is Montero that good? Thames and Berkman as platooned DHs will work. These two aren’t finished. 30

by Nine mike charlie on Sep 14, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Burnett and Granderson aren't going anywhere, not that they should either

No need for Crawford, that would be a complete waste of a signing. Lee wouldn’t be a horrible signing but I don’t want him either, just another huge long term salary that will be a burden in the future.

CC, AJ, Nova, Hughes, Andy/Lee/Joba/FA who knows.

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grandy being only a platoon guy isnt going to be back in 11 most likely

Lee would be a very smart signing. The Yanks dont have a reliable #2 at all. AJ isnt going anywhere but is a mixed bag. At Andy’s age, you never know what injury is around the corner. And Nova while good in a small sample doesnt have enough of a track record to be anything more than a 4 or a 5 right now. I think only a big postseason brings Grandy back, even then its not guaranteed, as he will have better value.

by YankeesJets on Sep 14, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

expect grandy to go thru a swisher/Cano style revamp this off season

and even in his off year in terms of value he is still one of the better CF’s in the game and probably the best out of the AL east.

by lololol on Sep 14, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what I was thinking

Odds are, Grandy will have a much better season next year, just make sure he has KL on speed dial so he doesn’t forget his new swing.

If the brass is completely in love with Crawford, they’re probably trading Brett Gardner, his season was most likely a “career year” type season that he’ll be hard pressed to match…

FOR THE RECORD, I DO NOT WANT TO TRADE BRETT GARDNER

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What tells you that Grandy will be better?

He seems to be a little worse each year. Unless Ortiz is going to share some of his supply, Grandy is going to be the guy we got in 2010. Not bad but not the superstar I thought he was going to be way back when.

by YankeesJets on Sep 14, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he'll be a superstar

He was hitting .225 for a long time, he’s obviously improved that.

I want to see him with a full season in Pinstripes before I judge…if the guy can hit .250 with 30 homers (2009 season) that’s great.

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree

Granderson is no worse than AJax this year. What ajax has over his babip fueled .avg Grandy has made up in playing solid defense and power. His revamp in swing is not complete yet but so far has brought on decent results.

Second we can;t have both Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee. Sorry this isn’t the old steinbrenner teams where we spend with out limits. There is actually a budget, and the budget will probably allow for either cliff lee or crawford and at this point i rather go with the cy young Ace over the minimal upgrade in the OF. (plus the angels have a crush on CC as much as we love lee)

Additionally Berkman will not be back, AJ’s contract is too big to trade, and cashman is not stupid or impulsive enough to trade Grandy or joba when their stocks are low unless we get a crazy return…like Zack Grienke/ King Felix crazy return. Additionally Cervelli is a not a good back up catcher (don’t smite me plz). He hits for low power, and has been putting up horrible numbers offensively if it wasn’t for his hot start. Additionally as a defensive catcher he is well below avg and as in fact cost us some runs in game due to bone headed errors.

by lololol on Sep 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree I would prefer Lee to Crawford

But we do need a spark on offense, we cant count on Jeter and Posada as much as they are getting older. Swisher has overacheived this year as far as his average goes. So its the Tex/Cano show with ARod declining a bit too. I love what Gardner brings to the table but I dont want him up in a big spot. As far as AJ goes, compare him with the guys getting the same money, I’d still take him over the Zito’s, Lackey’s and Lowe’s of the world.

by YankeesJets on Sep 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Replace Girardi

Excuse me but I hate the word Fire, it means that you did a bad job, I don’t think Girardi is doing a bad job, it’s just that too many time throuout the year he’s made too many questionable moves (mainly his line-ups). Like everyone else, I’m a bid Jeter fan, but after 5 months of not hitting it’s time to move him out of the top 2 spots, it was suggested 7th, that might be right. take the pressure off. A .260 lead-off doesn’t work, swinging at the first pitch (way too often) doesn’t allow Gardner a chance to steal. That’s just one of many examples of the line-up that bothers me. A new manager might be the right thing to do.

by yanks61 on Sep 14, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed on the points you make

Fire Joe Girardi is just something that started here in jest every time someone wanted to question a move he made. Don’t take it too seriously.

by pkyankeefan on Sep 14, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Except for the new manager part, I'd say

I’d be fine if we brought him back.

by pkyankeefan on Sep 14, 2010 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There's a lot more angst here than I expected

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by pkyankeefan on Sep 14, 2010 1:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

WE"RE SOOOOOO DOOMED

Peter Vermes, Give us your keys.

by MattF15 on Sep 14, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

FIRE GARARDO

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

NAO!

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by MattF15 on Sep 14, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously though, Girardi was an idiot last night.

1 game doesn’t warrant firing the guy

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

Like jscape, my biggest question is why Mo could pitch in a tie game at Texas but not here.

by pkyankeefan on Sep 14, 2010 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pretty amazing that this team is where it is

considering all the injury woes, and overall down years many of the big time players are having.

That, means Joe is doing a good job. And should be re-signed, for a long time.

Amazing that one bad week can erase a very well managed season. And of course this one week contains injuries to 2 of the Yankees catalysts on offense, Nick Swisher and Brett Gardner (who and who?)

But lets blame Joe for injuries. Why not?

Toney Douglas

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 14, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

all the fire Girardi talk is just heat of the moment BS

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a ninja!

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, I know the sport fan is a volatile being, but this kind of nonsense still manages to catch me by surprise

by XLII on Sep 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries to Gardner and Swisher have very little to do with my complaints here.

If the Yankees had won in the 12th, I’d still be wondering why Gaudin was pitching in the 10th, and why he was allowed to throw nearly 40 pitches in a single inning.

I’d still be wonder why not use Mo.

I’d still be wondering why Granderson bunted with no one out and a runner on first in the 11th.

Those decisions (regardless of their consequences) are endemic of Girardi’s faults as a manager.

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by jscape2000 on Sep 14, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Yankees hit the ball

Gaudin is never used.

Also fact, Gaudin was pitching pretty damn good prior to this week. Given how he was pitching the past month or so, it was probably likely he’s not gonna implode like he did. He pitches out of it, that’s why he’s allowed to have high pitch counts.

He uses MO, he gets burnt. He doesn’t use MO, he gets burnt. No win.

Grandy bunting…managers like to bunt. 0-0 game, get the runner in scoring position. I dunno why managers realize MLB players can’t bunt, but he sees him bunt in BP, so why not in a game situation? Makes no sense, its on the player to get it down.

Overall..hit the ball.

Toney Douglas

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 14, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

But where do you draw the line in turning back the clock and saying they should have done this or that? If the Yankees had a 20 game winning streak in June, this game wouldn’t matter.

Sure, the Yankees should have scored 5 runs by that point, but they didn’t. It isn’t even relevant to the argument. The point that jscape is making (and I agree 100%) is that the manager is the only person on the field who gets to make tactical decisions that can affect the outcome of the game – which reliever to bring in, when to sac bunt or steal, etc – and last night, Girardi made several that actually hurt the Yankees chances of winning, for no apparant good reason.

How about using Nick Swisher as a pinch-hitter in the 8th inning with 2 outs and a runner on first? Swish was the best hitter on the bench last night, and yet Girardi burned him in a low-leverage situation.

And don’t even get me started on having Granderson bunt. Against righties (Grant Balfour was on the mound) Granderson has an .885 OPS for his career. There aren’t words to describe the inept stupidity behind telling a hitter with that favorable of a matchup to make an out on purpose.

Joba Chamberlain has pitched 4 innings this month, David Robertson has pitched 6, and Mariano Rivera has pitched 5 1/3, and none of them had pitched the day before. Yet Girardi when to his two worst pitchers in extra innings before going to any of them, I guess in the event that a “save situation” came up in the 17th inning.

The Yankees may have lost anyway last night, because they didn’t hit. But Girardi didn’t help the cause.

by 3460kuri on Sep 14, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fact of the matter

is they scored 0 runs last night. Cliff Lee, CC Sabathia (dorp!), Felix Hernandez, David Robertson, Joba Chamberlain, Mariano Rivera, Jonathon AlbalaWhoGivesAFK, CHan Ho Park ..whoever you want to finger (do it, finger) who should be, the Yankees LOSE.

They didn’t hit.

Toney Douglas

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 14, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

wait when i complained about the hitting last night every one was telling me it was b/c of the pitchers

how you’re saying that it’s not the pitchers but that our team can’t hit? /mind blown

by lololol on Sep 14, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see a

nine game losing streak. We won one game from Baltimore by luck other wise we would have an eight game losig sreak . 1 toronto, 3 baltimore, 3 texas, and so far 1 to tampa bay. I expect to get swept by tampa and baltimore.

by TM66 on Sep 14, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, no.

Peter Vermes, Give us your keys.

by MattF15 on Sep 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

guys i'm totally serial

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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 14, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

that paints a nasty picture

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell us more

Is Sarah Palin going to be the president in 2012? Will the Pirates win the WS next year? Do tell.

by pkyankeefan on Sep 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

my predictions exactly

don’t forget the Raiders winning the Super Bowl

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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 14, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

wagon

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, we may be on a bit of low point, but you're conviently forgetting..

THE EIGHT FREAKING GAMES RIGHT BEFORE THIS STREAK THAT WE WON….IN A ROW

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by MattF15 on Sep 14, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually..

I do hope we go on a nice long winning streak until the beginning of November

by TM66 on Sep 14, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

I’d settle for 11-5.

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by jscape2000 on Sep 14, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since A-roid

came back we.ve been on a losing streak. DFA A-rod

by TM66 on Sep 14, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

TL;DR: closet bo-sox fan

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good with me!

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by MattF15 on Sep 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can't tell a cation from an anion

Obviously, he messes up the chemistry

by pkyankeefan on Sep 14, 2010 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yea i thought Centuars were one man armies

not liek the guy carried the team in the play offs last year or has been the only on hitting recently

by lololol on Sep 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're getting a little dramatic

You are .5 back from the best team in baseball and have a chance to get it back tonight. You have one of the solidest teams in baseball.
I do not think you will win it all. I don’t know who will, but I have a feeling the Yankees won’t. I’m thinking Phillies or Rays at this point.
 It is true the offense has not played well, but it has been four games out of over a hundred. All those other games, you seemed fine. You have the best offense in baseball. It’s your pitching that worries me. Yeah, Pettitte will be back, but after him and Sabathia, who do you have? Burnett? Do you trust him in a playoff series? Or Vazquez? Or Hughes? I guess it’s Hughes, but I still don’t trust him.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I trust hughes over vazquez . In the platoffs won.t matter vazquez & huhghes will be in the bullpen

by TM66 on Sep 14, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

And I always thought you should have kept Hughes in the bullpen role in which he succeeded in.
So, who is your third starter? Burnett? Are you really going to give away a loss in the playoffs?

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since when does Burnett = giving away a loss?

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, Hughes is a starter

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

But he was a setup guy last year, where I think you should have kept him.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Buchholz and Lester would be great out of the pen

Hughes is far more valuable as a starter than a SU

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Different situation.

The Red Sox have Bard, they don’t need a setup man. Who is the Yankees? Robertson?
I understand the Yankees lack SP depth and that may be why Hughes is in the rotation, but I thought why fix what ain’t broken?

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Robertson, Joba, Wood

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joba?

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, Joba

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he was no good, thats all I hear around here

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're listening to the wrong people

Joba’s struggled at times but most of his ERA is from giving up 3-4 runs at once.

Giving up 4 runs in 1 inning and then pitching 3 shutout innings is better than 4 innings with 1 ER in each

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

but thats all I hear around here, and you guys watch the Yankees more than I do

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is always gonna be the

Joba sux
Burnett sux
Grandy sux
Javy sux

crowd

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah

Red Sox have some people like that.
We call them the WEEI callers.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

DFA the Yankees.

Just toss the whole damn team!

by mattxlegend on Sep 14, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's quietly put together a good month

Don’t just go by the HR in Texas

by pkyankeefan on Sep 14, 2010 2:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Key word

quietly. I would have no idea. All I see is complaints about them.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Hughes' value as a starter >>>>>> Hughes' value as a reliever

By that logic, why didn’t the Rays leave Price in the pen? He sure pitched well in that ALCS

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Price had less time than Hughes

I agree, Hughes is more valuable as a starter. I was just surprised they moved him after success

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

that move was always temporary

they thought he’d progress better in the pen than as a starter in the minors.

even if Joba wins the spot outta spring training Hughes is in there next season

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

true enough

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brilliant idea

You have a guy who can pitch six good innings, so put him in the pen where he can be lights out for 2. Starters? Pish tosh, sign Cliff Lee. It’s not like Hughes makes league minimum.

Would you like Lars Anderson to be a permanent PH for the Red Sox? Didn’t think so.

by pkyankeefan on Sep 14, 2010 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Are you really confident in Burnett?

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

this year has been different

I’m about as confident in him as I am Beckett

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It really hasn't been that different, though.

AJ has always been and will always be inconsistent. One game he will get lit in the 1st inning, the next he can throw lights out for 7 innings. You don’t know. You will never know.

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Sep 14, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So are you confident with him starting a playoff game that inconsistent?

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

As opposed to who?

He has as good of a chance to be amazing as he does to be terrible. But anyone can be terrible on any given night.

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Sep 14, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

as opposed to who.
Sabathia, pettitte, and no one else too reliable.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

But you are making my point for me. Your rotataion is not reliable

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ANY pitcher can lose, even the good ones, is my point.

AJ is no exception. So no, that’s not making your point. He can be brilliant just as much as he can be terrible. You can’t discount that.

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Sep 14, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is your point?

Are you telling me you trust your rotatian or not?

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's a rotatian?

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YES, WE TRUST OUR ROTATION

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

typo

sorry

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

Based on potential, I don’t blame you.
I’m just saying I would not be glowing with confidence.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not about reliable.

we’ve had reliable before and lost.

John Lackey won a game 7 in the WS. He was 6"5 240 and a rookie.

Ivan Nova is 6"5 240 and a rookie.

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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Nova is in your playoff rotatian?

call me crazy but I like him better than Burnett.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone cares if a Boston fan likes anyone in our rotation

if the Yanks brass was speaking the truth, the playoff rotation is not set.

If Nova continues to pitch well, they don’t have a choice.

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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 14, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't care if you don't care about what I think either

I’m just trying to tell you what I see. I know it would make no difference to you.
If I am right about this you will take shortcuts and not admit it anyways.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like both in the rotation./

so there.

Nova’s pitched as good as anyone not named CC this past month. He’s as fresh as anyone, and doesn’t seem to care about the moment (the Alfredo Aceves syndrome).

I’m not even putting Andy Pettitte in the rotation yet. Its assuming too much.

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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 14, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Nova a lot

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know if you are being serious or not

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

AJ is what he is

You can either believe in him or you can give up.

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He remids me of Beckett so much

you pray he doesnt suck.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll trust Burnett when it's tim

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did

things change though. I is clear the Red Sox will not make the playoffs at this point.
The thing about the Rays is their pitching is better than yours. While I am not completely sold on it, I like it better than New York’s. Price and Garza, and than I guess Sheilds? I don’t trust Sheilds that much, but more than Burnett.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm dead serious when I say this

Even if Boston is healthy, it’s still

NY-TB, or TB-NY

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

I think Boston would be the wild card and New York would have won the division.
I will not argue with you about it beacuse I understand all the New York fans and Tampa fans will say that, as most Boston fans are with my view.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, argue with me, i don't take issue with you saying boston is better than tampa

though I disagree, Tampa is legitimate this year, we have a losing record to them this year because they’re good

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tampa is very good

and would win any division in baseball.
However, you make the same case for the Red Sox even with the injuries. I’m pretty sure they would have a lead in the NL West and Central, and playing teams outside of the AL East, I’m sure they’d win every other division.
But, teveryone got hurt while Tampa and New York had great years. If not for the injuries, the Red Sox are at least legitimetly in it.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

In hypotheticals- if we give Boston back all of their hurt players, we also have to give the Yankees a healthy Pettitte, a healthier Arod (I’m betting he has hip surgery this offseason), and healthier versions of Posada, Swisher and Gardner.

At that point, I take the Yankees. While Boston may have the better rotation, the Yankees have a clear edge in the bullpen, and a better offense despite the aging parts.

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by jscape2000 on Sep 14, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edge in bullpen? let's see...

Papelbon < Rivera
Bard < Joba?
Okajima < Wood
Doubront> Robertson
maybe slightly better, but if your pitching was what is now with a helthy Red Sox offense, they would hit it no problem.
But again, I will never win this argument here.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

all I could think of though

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t followed the Red Sox closely enough- have any of the relievers been hurt this season?

I’m at work, so I can’t run all the numbers right now, but I’m pretty confident that the Yankees have the best bullpen in the AL East, maybe in the AL.

I’m looking at WHIP, K/BB as well as ability to run quality guys out day after day.
I’d rather have three guys with a 1.2 WHIP than one with a 1.0 and two with 1.3.

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by jscape2000 on Sep 14, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly from the other night

they showed a graphic that said the Yankee bullpen had the best ERA in the American League. Pretty sure.

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Sep 14, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was pretty sure the Rays did?

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they're 2nd

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

For truthiness

by pkyankeefan on Sep 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I did say that

she is right. I was obviuosly wrong though, and not afraid to admit it.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just wanted a reason to reference Colbert

You couldn’t have predicted those injuries

by pkyankeefan on Sep 14, 2010 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Right

I picked Boston to win the division this year beacuse they looked good on paper. No one can blame me for being wrong right now.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kincks

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe I actully mis-spelled that

That’s a fail on my part

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

um, ok....

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knicks* will be fine this year

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

We won’t be as bad as we have been, but I’m not buying that we’ll be any good.

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by jscape2000 on Sep 14, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see a first round exit, maybe 2nd, after this past decade I'll definitely be thrilled with it

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

They'll be a playoff team

only beacuse the East sucks.
Miami, Boston, Orlando, Atlanta, and…. No one.

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago?

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh right

I forgot about them. They will be good too

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

Playoff team, but will go nowhere

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

Atlanta played like crap that series

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bogut

is the third best center in the NBA.

by ryanwk628 on Sep 14, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes and no.
It’ll be exciting to watch the team play for something, but in the NBA a lot of mediocrity makes the playoffs, but unlike baseball, playoff upsets are rare.

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by jscape2000 on Sep 14, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you're one of the Davie Lee = Amare crowd, then yea.

but that’s very far from the truth. Amare is one of the best PF’s in the game for a reason. And no, its not all Nash.

David Lee became what he was cuz he had a PG that can run the Pick and Roll..Chris Friggin Duhon.

Ray Felton will more then suffice as the PG, he’s light years better then Duhon.

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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 14, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The concern for me with changing managers is always the risk that you’ll get someone worse.

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by jscape2000 on Sep 14, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

I don’t think Giradi’s the problem

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Girardi is a glaring problem.
I do think there must be better managerial candidates out there.

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by jscape2000 on Sep 14, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are

but Giradi isn’t terrible

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by bestbostonsports on Sep 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Not a great example, but look at Wille Randolph being replaced by Jerry Manuel

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Let his contract run out

and offer him less. Then if he leaves for Chicago we can just say “oh well we tried”

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Offer a WS winning manager less than he previously made?

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

or less money than chicago

the guy beats himself as much as other teams beat us.

by ryanwk628 on Sep 14, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh no, not really

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

with all his pitching match ups

then bone head decisions like batting grandy against pitchers he CANT hit and bunting with a hitters count… look the guy is the manager of the best team in baseball. Half the pro managers could have won the WS with our squad last year. I dont put much stock in it. His job is two fold, put our guys in a position to win the game (not win it himself) and keep them healthy, happy and on the field. If he were the right guy for the job, he would have figured out how to get AJ pitching consistently, and we wouldnt get swept at home by a team we are likely to see in the first round of the playoffs. Joba has also regressed under him.

What has he done that has made us a better team?

by ryanwk628 on Sep 14, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would anyone want to manage this team?

Be the goat when you make a mistake, get no credit when you do something right.

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

word

quite the thankless job

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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Girardi can't make AJ pitch better.

He can’t make Tex hit in April. He can’t make A-Rod hit 30 home runs. He can’t make Jeter not ground into double plays.

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Sep 14, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quiet you! A REAL manager COULD!

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

In case you guys were wondering, my record as armchair manager of the Yanks this season is 139 and 5.

by XLII on Sep 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

hire XLII!

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i needs me an armchair

my chair has no arms :(

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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 14, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willie or Donnie

When the Yankees win, it has nothing to do with Giradi but the fact that our offense and/or pitching played great that night. When we lose it is usually because of Girardi, whether its him pinch hitting for proven hitters like Thames just because a right handed pitcher is on the mound or putting our two worst relief pitchers, Gaudin and Mitre, in a walkoff situation. The guy sucks plain and simple and I hope we see either Donnie or Willie as manager for the NYY next year. Both are true Yankees and two of the most beloved players in franchise history and not a player who spent four years as a backup catcher. Willie has proven himself by taking a last place Mets team to the playoffs in 2006 and Donnie has been ready to manage for quite some time.

Giradi is an over-manager

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LOL! True Yankee!

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

bobby valentine FTW!

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steal showalter from the O's!

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im game

I think half the managers in baseball would win a WS with our squad last year. As I said above, he beats himself as much as other teams beat us.

by ryanwk628 on Sep 14, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

???????

Where is Lee or Haliday——-Cashman KNOWS——-pitching is minor to HITTING?? now your pitching staff is being exposed as weak???

by zappo007 on Sep 14, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

wtf?

Matt Holliday?
Roy Halladay?

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can Jedi pull it off?

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CC can do it

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

no...consuming two PEOPLE

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

CC's a cannibal?

Corpse Consumer?

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+1

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

well actually no

No one said he kills them first

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

he eats em alive?

i knew he was a beast…but damn

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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 14, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a carnivore, but too lazy to hunt for himself...so he eats carnivores while they are eating and too busy to fight back

Carnivore Consumer!

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

CC munches on meat that’s munching on meat

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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 14, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

theres a pause in here somewhere

Yeah, he wants enough protein in him that he eats people eating other people! Carnivore Consumer Squared! (and cause hes a square)

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

how many people must suffer just so CC can get his fill??!?!?

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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 14, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

over 9000

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Sep 14, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still don't know who this haliday is

Ibut we obviously can’t win without them.

by lololol on Sep 14, 2010 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

only player to ever win both MVP and Cy Young

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow from all this comments I am reading i guess our season is over.........

talking about the next year already.. are we giving up .. ? you guys are disappointing sore losers.. its not over yet…. Yanks are going to come back tonight swinging.. they may miss a a few but we are going to win tonight…..

by YANK77 on Sep 14, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

WE'RE GONNA FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

AND WE WON’T STOP UNTIL WE GET ACROSS THAT GOAL LINE!

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III

by Chris McKeown on Sep 14, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't feel one way or the other about Girardi

He is not the best manager but he is not terrible.

"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama

by BL3ACH on Sep 14, 2010 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

but you agree that he has done a good job and doesn't deserve to be fired or let go of at the end of the season?

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

no I am not a world series or bust guy

They will not win it every year not matter what. But it really depends if he wants a modest raise (not sure what he makes) within reason then I would keep him, but if he creates a bidding war over his services then I would prob let him go.
.
But I don’t think he should be fired they are a half game out of first, players need rest I appericate the fact he is thinking past this year as far as players health even though its not certain he will be here.

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by BL3ACH on Sep 14, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has certainly earned a modest raise

I just hope the Cubs don’t create a bidding war

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with the the mods here on girardi

I don’t see him as a good one…but not horrible even with the travesty of yesterday. The yanks should just give him an offer… If he takes it fine. If he doesn’t, we’ll just move on.

by lololol on Sep 14, 2010 3:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

what kind of offer?

Lowball?
Same salary?
Modest increase?
Typical raise for WS winning manager?
Great manager in the history of the game raise?

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Modest increase for the 2009 WS

But if the cubs really really want him and give him crazy money, I would not get anywhere near that. Rather put the money into players and etc.

by lololol on Sep 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think he deserves a raise, but agree with you, let's not overpay him just so the cubs don't get him

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by Edgware on Sep 14, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

300 comments...the hell?

Peter Vermes, Give us your keys.

by MattF15 on Sep 14, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

i guess firing Joe is a popular subject

They didn't let me out, they just gave me a day pass.

by TheMelkman on Sep 14, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess...

Peter Vermes, Give us your keys.

by MattF15 on Sep 14, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

that and

there was the arguement with McDaniel about the Pats and also when BBS shows up theres always guarenteed to be a bunch of comments

by Yankees10 on Sep 14, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

18-1!!!

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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 14, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Larry Bowa, history with the Yanks, fiery personality, extensive knowledge of the game

by jessie1 on Sep 14, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d be ok with that, but Bowa left over the way Torre was treated.
I think Pena would be next in line.

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by jscape2000 on Sep 14, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

JOE should GO

Girardi just makes too many dumb decisions. There are times I really believe the team wins despite the bad decisions He has a way of making the wrong moves with pitchers that just defies logic. Having Gaudin and Mitre in last night basically was giving the game away.
 He also seems to miss handle hot batters all of a sudden they get taken out of the line-up only to return back a few games later cold again. The way he has handled or shall I say not handled Jeter is ridiculous there is something wrong and either rest him or get him into the seventh slot till he starts swinging the bat the way he used to- How many times does he just flail away at strike three seeming to give up. Last year he chipped off pitches until he got one to drive- this year he swings and is way off the ball.

by ghostwalker on Sep 14, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

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