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Monday Morning Links

Let's get right into this mornings links.

-Mike Ashmore has the scoop: Brandon Laird is heading to AAA. Laird hit .290 with 23 home runs and 90 RBI's for Trenton this season. Thunder manager Tony Franklin had an interesting quote (via Ashmore's twitter)

"Let's see if he's going to perform great at AAA. If he does, there's a chance he might be looking at MLB very soon."

-Ken Rosenthal reports that the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rangers were in discussion about a possible three way deal that would make Mike Lowell a Yankee. Pete Abe, you aren't as stupid as people thought you were.

-Kyle Farnsworth is happy to be pitching in a pennant race once again, writes Mark Bowman. It's been a full what, two or three years? Should work out quite well for the Braves.

-Jayson Stark, Jeff Passan, Bob Nightengale, and Joel Sherman all list their trade deadline winners and losers. Similarities in the first three? Yankees are winners. Rays are losers. Sherman doesn't list the Yankees or Rays as winners or losers.

-Andrew Marchand thinks the Yankees' trade deadline moves may signal the end to Curtis Granderson's and Joba Chamberlain's Yankees careers. I think Andrew Marchand should stop thinking.

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Pete Abe is definitely as stupid as people thought he was

Great news about Laird though.

"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano

by Captain_Mick on Aug 2, 2010 7:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Marchand is an idiot

And Joel Sherman’s should just stick to the Mets and not try and report anything regarding trades. Everything he seemed to come out with, the opposite happened.

Be great to see Laird get a shot at the league. The Yanks numerous times were reported to have wanted to trade for a backup 3B…maybe when the rosters expand, that’s Laird?

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 2, 2010 7:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd love to see that

But the Yankees base utility more on fielding than hitting

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by Brandon C. on Aug 2, 2010 8:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think you are misrepresenting what Marchand wrote about Joba and Grandy

He said that if Wood works out, Joba will become just another reliever in the Yanks pen; if he doesn’t, then Robertson is likely to get a chance to pitch the 8th. That’s not news to anyone who follows the Yankees.

As to Grandy, he said that if Kearns hits, Grandy may not play much against lefties. That would be a good thing, and I think it is also a quite accurate prediction.

He also said that Grandy may not finish out his contract with the Yanks. Since Grandy is signed through 2013, with a club option for 2014, I don’t think that’s an unrealistic prediction either. Grandy has experienced a continuing slide in production since he peaked in 2007, with no signs of ending that slide. (And don’t tell me that he’s been hitting great lately; over the last 28 games his OPS is .798, which is still BELOW his career average.) I think it’s quite likely that he won’t make it another 3 years as a Yankee, at this rate.

by HilltopPark on Aug 2, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Granderson is still a good player, and can actually be a quite valuable one, if a smart manager can figure out how to play to his strengths.

Despite his issues with lefties, he’s still been worth 1.7 WAR so far. He’s hitting .262/.341/.502 against righties this season, with plus defense in centerfield. All you need is a decent platoon partner (i.e. Kearns) to minimize his exposure to lefties. On days Kearns starts, you slide Brett Gardner into center and still maintain above-average defense. It isn’t really that difficult.

by 3460kuri on Aug 2, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

but Kearns is actually hitting righties better than lefties this year.

by david d on Aug 2, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

We didn't get Granderson so we could platoon him

if we have to platoon him he has clearly been a disappointment.

by GMan83201 on Aug 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

False

The only reason Granderson hasn’t been platooned up to this point is pride, ego, contracts, and quite possibly the stupidity of his managers.

He’s OPSed .604 against lefties in nearly 800 plate apperances for his career. To expect him to somehow find his stroke simply because he’s now a Yankee is foolish.

by 3460kuri on Aug 2, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

But when you’re working with a guy who’s had 4,700 professional plate apperances over 8 seasons, and he STILL can’t hit lefties, a hitting coach can only do so much.

Again, it’s perception vs. reality. Granderson IS a platoon player and always has been, but due to egos, contracts, and stupidity, managers have yet to figure this out.

by 3460kuri on Aug 2, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if it is ego, contracts, etc. that have kept him a regular,

and the Yanks are smart enough to figure out that he is only a platoon player, doesn’t that validate what Marchand was saying? That he is likely to lose ABs against lefties, and that it is very possible that the Yanks get rid of him before his contract is up at the end of 2013.

I can’t imagine the Yanks keeping Grandy on as a platoon player beyond this season. He’s either gonna play every day or he’ll be gone.

by HilltopPark on Aug 2, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

because even with his struggles with lefties he is valuable?

sure he’s not gonna be a .300 hitter but he can still be effective and produce his contract value even if he can;t hit lefties. plenty of lefty hitters has trouble hitting lefty at the same level of grandy and team don’t just trade them b/c of that.

by lololol on Aug 2, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also predict Granderson will get moved in the offseason for prospects...

to clear salary to sign two of Lee, Werth, and Crawford.

2011 Starting Lineup:

LF- Carl Crawford
CF- Brett Gardner
RF- Nick Swisher
3B- Alex Rodriguez
SS- Derek Jeter
2B- Robinson Cano
1B- Mark Texeiria
C- Austin Romine
DH- Jorge Posada

by PortlandYankee on Aug 2, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude really?

Jeter batting fifth? Tex 7th?

You got A-Rod right hitting fourth, nothing else. And they don’t need Crawford.

Jeter
Swisher
Tex
A-Rod
Cano
Posada
Granderson
Montero
Gardner

Montero and Posada split the catching/DH duties, which will ease Montero into catching in the big leagues, and conserve Posada’s energy.

"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot"-Kobe Bryant

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh never mind

thats not a lineup lol. just positions.

My bad sir

"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot"-Kobe Bryant

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think ultimately Montero is going to be a RF, not a C

I know they’re trying, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.

by PortlandYankee on Aug 2, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Jesus could simply be as good as Posada behind the plate

then he’s good enough to be a catcher. His bat will make up for any struggles he has defensively. We’ve dealt with Posada all these years because of his bat. Montero’s bat may be a whole lot better.

I don’t really like the idea of Montero in right field. I know he has a cannon, but you need at least a little bit of range to be an outfielder- range that I’m not sure he possesses.

"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot"-Kobe Bryant

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 2, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

2011 Pitching Staff

SP- CC Sabathia
SP- Cliff Lee
SP- Phil Hughes
SP- AJ Burnett
SP- Ivan Nova

CP- Mariano Rivera
8P- David Robertson
7P- Joba Chamberlain

by PortlandYankee on Aug 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pettitte + Vazquez = $24 million

$24 million (hopefully a little less) = Cliff Lee

by PortlandYankee on Aug 2, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon - don't even put Pettitte and Vazquez in the same sentence

Who cares if Javy goes? He was a one-year guy from the get-go. And he’s average. But Andy is pitching great; no reason to show him the door.

by HilltopPark on Aug 2, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's about the future

Which pitcher do you expect to provide more value over the next 5 years…Andy Pettitte or Cliff Lee?

If losing AP is what it takes to lock down the best pitcher in the majors, you do it.

by PortlandYankee on Aug 2, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy Pettitte has proved he can win in NY

I’d rather have that than the “best pitcher in the majors”.

So I don’t do it.

by HilltopPark on Aug 2, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow really? i think it's more likely than not andy is gonna retire

cliff lee is coming to the yanks regardless..we wanted him so bad we were going to trade our best prospect for him for half a year of the guy

by lololol on Aug 2, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa dude no one expected Grandy to not struggle vs lefties

it’s like getting ryan howard and suddenly expecting him to hit lefties or getting mark reynolds and expecting him to stop striking out. it’s not going to happen within a year. with our line up his .200 avg vs lefties gets less exposed and he has a decent line vs righties. Platooning isn’t exactly mean disappointment. the guy has produced despite his struggles and we aren’t going to sit him against every lefty. obviously girardi will look at the situation before making a decision. and the fact good lefties are hard to find in the league it’s more than expected that he will be in the line up at least 70% of the time.

by lololol on Aug 2, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think for one minute that adding Kerry Wood endangers Joba for a number of reasons.

1. The Yankees aren’t about to give up on him. He’s 23, and his performance Friday (2 scoreless, hitless innings) is what he is quite capable of returning to.

2. Kerry Wood isn’t the replacement Joba, he’s the “better than CHOP” guy in the pen. Wood is a guy who the Yankees think is more reliable than the stiff that he directly replaced, that’s all.

Also, I don’t think the Yankees are going to be so quick to give up on Granderson, either. In a close pennant race, they will do what Marchand suggests, which is have someone who hits lefties better when it matters, but I think Granderson gets at least to the 2011 trade deadline before they admit he might have been a mistake.

Finally, Kyle Farnsworth should be happy that he has a job that does not involve saying “I can supersize that for 49 cents.”

by designatedquitter on Aug 2, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

My Advice to Kerry Wood...

Throw Strikes… and stay away from the Leadoff Four pitch walk. it goes without saying.

Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.

by Shadrack on Aug 2, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know about you..

But I’d be pretty nervous pitching for the first time for the most storied club in Baseball. I thought he did ok yesterday. There is some potential there.

by Bridgeloan on Aug 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe... its still solid advice.

Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.

by Shadrack on Aug 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I expect Nerves...

From a Rookie, or A guy that did not strike out 20 for the Cubs. I give him a pass… but he cannot walk guys. Thats all I am saying. Stay away from the Leadoff Walk, and you can be successful.

Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.

by Shadrack on Aug 2, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call the Rays "losers"

Not doing anything was probably the right thing.

by david d on Aug 2, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

well, they did do something (Qualls)

but I guess for some of those writers, doing the littlest amount instead of the biggest amount equals being “losers.”

I know they have to write something and generate hits on their sites, but I don’t really get the point of “winners” and “losers” when it comes to trades. People trade for needs and base their decisions on who’s available and what the cost is. If any team thinks the costs for aquiring a specific player (as was seen in the Yankee’s Haren no-trade), then they don’t do it.

by phonty on Aug 2, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andrew Marchand = Big bowl of Fail

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 2, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Picture Caption

“I cast you out! Unclean spirit! In the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ! It is he who commands you! It is he who flung you from the gates of Heaven to the depths of Hell! Be gone from this creature of God! Be gone! In the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit!”

http://www.venuing.com/voices/

by Y.t. Crooks on Aug 2, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m not sure you can exorcise LHP demons that way…

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Aug 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen some pictures on here that could definitley have some funny captioning

I was thinking about trying to make a fanpost asking if a weekly caption contest (unoriginal I know) was a good idea but forgot… Oh and the caption should read: Curtis: " What the hell is that on the ground" Wiggington: “That’s the Orioles’ self-esteem”

"Son, Nobody is half as good as Mickey Mantle"

by ntrokel on Aug 2, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're going to sell Grandy for peanuts because

Carl Crawford + Brett Gardner > Carl Crawford + Curtis Granderson (when salaries are factored in) >>> Brett Gardner + Curtis Cranderson

by PortlandYankee on Aug 2, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yanks won't be so short sighted to get rid of the guy after one year

thats not how they work anymore. Crawford is good, but he’s not a necessity. We’re no longer the buy every FA team anymore.

by lololol on Aug 2, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be honest

I’ve been thinking the same thing in regards to Curtis Granderson’s future with the Yankees. Does he have the ability to turn it around? Sure. Could the Yankees see how he does next year? Of course. Will that happen? I don’t know, maybe we should ask Javier Vasquez about the Yankees’ patience… especially when there’s another player they covet. (Vasquez was gone the moment Randy Johnson was available.)

So, I can definitely see the Yankees trading Granderson (as opposed to Swisher or Gardner… unless they get a great offer for one or the other) and going after Carl Crawford. It’s no secret that that’s the guy the Yankees want this offseason.

As for Joba Chamberlain… I don’t see him going anywhere… unless there’s some random great available pitcher out there that the Yankees want to trade for. But that’s unlikely, unless they don’t want to pay Cliff Lee’s asking price.

by Cinemanrt on Aug 2, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

actually the guy the yanks want is cliff lee

we have to see how much crawford wants and how much lee wants. from what i read is yankees want lee and CC to anchor the rotation for the future as they ease in young starters. Crawford would be nice BUT he will come at a high cost for a guy heading in to his 30’s and will probably command a 5+ year 20 mil contract. Grandy would be at a less cost and tbh we really don;t need crawford since we alreayd have a stacked line up. Grandy is he hit say .260 with 20 hrs is enough production from the 7th hole and worth his contract. i think the team would rather give grandy more time with the team since he will be cheaper AND won’t be as long of a commitment.

Plus the yanksa re no longer the same type of team that got rid of Javy after a year.

by lololol on Aug 2, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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