The Yankees Prospect Dilemma: Part 2
We left off yesterday talking about prospects who were traded away. We'll start with prospects that were held onto today.
Phil Hughes, RHP
Rated the best pitching prospect in baseball entering 2007, he has pretty much equaled expectations. He was the main name brought up in trade talks for Johan Santana following the '08 season. It seemed like the 'Tampa Contingent' wanted to part with him while Cashman did not.
Hughes was the Yankees' best set-up man in 2009 and has become the third best starter, only fronted by two potential Hall of Famers.
Verdict: keeping him was correct.
Joba Chamberlain, RHP
Skyrocketed through the system in 2007 and threw 24 innings of one-run ball to cement his place in many fans' minds as Mo's successor. Joba was thought more highly of than even Hughes and was taken 'off the table' in talks for Johan Santana before the '08 season. It wouldn't have taken much more than him even to acquire Roy Halladay. Unfortunately, he's taken a step back in every successive year. Should he have been traded when his value was higher? Were the Yankees right to have kept him? At the very least, he has the ceiling of a superstar, unlike other prospects such as Ian Kennedy or Melky Cabrera.
Verdict: jury's still out.
Brett Gardner, OF
Compared to Hughes and Joba, GGBG was never considered a major part of the Yankees' future plans. Fate has taken a hand and he is now one of the most valuable players on the club (second in OBP, first in steals, excellent defense). It was really trust in him that led Cashman to feel comfortable trading Melky, even though a number of teams asked for Gardner, and it's worked out great so far.
Verdict: keeping him was correct.
Brian Cashman has been pretty dead-on knowing when to keep prospects. Only a few trades, like Mike Lowell and maybe Ted Lilly can we definitely say were wrong in hindsight. The following list of current prospects range from solid to potential superstars, and will give Cashman some late nights deciding their futures.
Eduardo Nunez (23, SS, Triple-A) was just called the best defensive shortstop in the International League and credited with the best infield arm. His defense has improved wildly since last year when he made 30 errors. He can hit for average somewhat (.274 career, .288 this year) and steal bases (113 career, 23 this year), but doesn't draw walks or hit for much power. He'll never hit as much as Derek Jeter, but his defense may make up for it, especially if 2010 is the beginning of Jeter's decline. He's good enough to play SS for a bunch of ML teams right now, and reportedly is asked for consistently in trades. The Yankees think he's good enough to be an everyday player (which is why he's in Scranton playing everyday rather than getting a few AB a week as the Yankees' utitliy infielder). With Jeter almost a certainty to re-sign next year, what should be done with Nunez? Remember, prospects don't age like wine - once they pass their mid-20's, they start to lose value. Should they trade him in the off-season, use him as the 2011 UIF, start him in '11 over Jeter, or keep him in Triple-A in case he's needed? He'll be 24, so it's getting to that time when they'll have to decide on a course of action.
Trading him in the off-season would probably be cashing in at his highest value (assuming he doesn't become an All-Star), but he strikes me as potentially Ajax 2.0. His triple slash is very close to Jackson's last year, while his baserunning and defense are plus tools (just like A-Jax), only that Jackson is a bit younger and has a better track record.
Keeping him in Triple-A could help the most because it gives far more insurance for a serious injury to A-Rod, Jeter or Cano. Nunez is the most ready to step in, and he is the organization's best shortstop prospect (not counting Cito Culver who was drafted only in June). It's nice to have the insurance, but a 24-year old in his second go-round in Triple-A won't excite trade partners.
If the Yankees somehow didn't re-sign Jeter (it would never happen - he'll be the first Yankee to reach 3000 hits, which is worth its weight in gold in publicity), Nunez would immediately step in and play superior defense. Let's face it, D is not why Jeter's going to the Hall of Fame. He's never been a great fielder at a position where defense is the primary responsibility. He's been an above-average SS in three of 16 seasons, costing the Yankees an average of 8 runs a year. If Nunez could hit around .270/.320/.370, and play great D, his contributions would be roughly equivalent to Jeter's this year, and at a fraction of the price. Of course, there's a chance DJ will bounce back in 2011... but there's also a chance he continues slipping, and then the Yankees are stuck with a 37-year old SS signed to a multi-year deal.
- Several others prospects are blocked as well. Brandon Laird (22, 3B, Triple-A) is having a breakout season (.289/.350/.513), but there's a future Hall of Famer manning third for the next seven years. Should he be traded this offseason when his value will likely be at its highest?
- What about all the catchers? Jesus Montero, Austin Romine, JR Murphy and Gary Sanchez give the Yankees the most stocked catching system in baseball. They'll keep Montero if they think he can legitimately stick at catcher or A-Rod can passably play thirdbase for the rest of his contract. Those are two big 'ifs' though. If Montero doesn't start 2011 with the Yankees, and Romine is promoted (as he should/will be), it will stunt the growth of both players.
- David Adams (23, Double-A) and Corban Joseph (21, Double-A) are two promising second-basemen. Unfortunately, Adams (.900 OPS in 39 games) broke his foot so he'll have a second go-round in Trenton next year. Joseph was the MVP of the Tampa Yankees before a promotion a couple weeks ago. Either way, they're both blocked by 27-year old Robinson Cano.
- 23-year old Ivan Nova leads the Scranton Yankees in wins (11), innings (138) and strikeouts (108). For a pitcher who reaches the mid-90s, his peripheral stats don't really pop-out: 1.26 WHIP, 7 K/9, 3 BB/9, .7 HR/9. What's to be done with him? Another season at Triple-A will diminish his value, as would a move to the bullpen.
- Juan Miranda could've been a good first-baseman on some ML ballclubs, but he's stuck behind some guy named Mark Teixeira, who's signed through 2016. He'll be 28 in 2011, entering his fourth year in Triple-A, and won't entice many other clubs. His value peaked sometime around '08-'09. Now he's kept around as insurance for Tex.
So... what should be done with them?
I'll give my opinion, then I want to hear yours.
Nunez - I'm really torn on this one. On one hand, I'd love to see a slick-fielding SS getting to play everyday at the league minimum. The money saved on Nunez vs. Jeter could be used to acquire someone like Lee or Crawford. On the other hand, Jeter may very well bounce back next season and make 2010 look like an aberration. It's not his BA that concerns me though; it's his OBP and SLG, which are both at career lows.
Laird - keep him around, at least through next year. A-Rod looks more injury prone by the day, and it would be great to give Laird a full year at Triple-A. If A-Rod went down for an extended period, which doesn't look far-fetched nowadays, Laid would be a great, cheap option.
The catchers - Montero starts 2011 with the Yankees as the DH/BUC. He catches about three times a week with the veteran starters that know exactly what they're doing (Sabathia, Pettitte, Lee?), while Posada can help the young'ns and head-cases like Hughes and Burnett. Romine plays the year at Triple-A and starts 2012 with the Yankees as the primary catcher (as Posada's contract has run out). I'll worry about Murphy and Sanchez when they force me too - Murphy's in Low-A, Sanchez is in the GCL. They're both at least three years away.
Adams and Joseph - probably one of them should be traded. There's really no need for a 2B anytime in the near future for the Yankees. It's good to have one for insurance, but why two? Might as well get something more needed via a trade.
Nova - if the Yanks need a fifth starter in ST, give Nova a serious look. If not (the more likely scenario), he should go to the bullpen after about a month in Scranton, getting used to coming in mid-inning with runners on base, etc. His peripherals as a starter are far from mind-blowing and he could potentially help the big club immensely in the pen (where his mid 90's FB could reach the high 90's).
Miranda - unfortunately, it's too late for him to bring back much of value in return. They might as well keep him in Triple-A as insurance for Tex, as there's no other good 1B prospects in the high minors.
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Nunez will need to learn to work the count before he cracks the big leagues
If he’s the best fielder and can steal though… that’s not a bad start at all.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
Travis, can you please bold the names of the prospects?
It helps with skimming through. Thanks! Great stuff, by the way.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
Bold the names of the "your opinion" ones, I mean
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Aug 17, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks man
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Aug 17, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It’ll be interesting to see how the catching scenario breaks down this year. Hopefully they won’t be against giving Jesus a shot in Spring Training. As much as I love Cervelli, his offense is just atrocious and he’s far too aggressive a defensive catcher, throwing it too frequently and making 9 errors. Let Montero take over the job of backup to Jorgie because he probably deserves to be in the lineup at Catcher 3 days out of 7. Then DH him when he’s not catching.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Miranda, Sanchez
Are expendable. We don’t need a career AAA’er to back up Tex, lots of guys can be converted to/play first base. If Sanchez has any value, I’d trade him soon or when his stock is even higher, we’re loaded with catchers. Nova should be looked at to start next year for the Yankees. He’s logged a good amount of innings already so he should be ready to put in some work.
Nunez should get some playing time, see what he can do. I think Jeter is definitely at the start of his decline. Get this kid up and be ready to step in in a couple of years. Maybe he could be a utility player next year ala Pena to get his feet wet.
Catchers
You never mentioned Cervelli in this thoughtful and helpful analysis. Given up on him, now that he’s no longer hitting with the big boys and gone downhill on defense? Trade him? Send him down? They won’t ever keep three catchers.
Good reports/analysis
What about platooning Nunez with Granderson…Jeter plays every day in left or @ SS. Pena likely holds off Russo for UF, but if Nunex pans out well Jeter could give Cano, Arod, or Tex a day off.
Gonna have 3 catchers next year, Jorge, Jesus, and someone who actually can catch.
by steelerwheeler on Aug 18, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
CF
Granderson backs him and Swisher up.
by steelerwheeler on Aug 18, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct me if I am wrong.
I think if guys like Nunez and Montero and Laird have tools to be in the Major Leagues already, why not let them work with a Major League hitting coach like Kevin Long to enhance thier game. If you look at it from the big picture, if the Yankees need a guy. They’ve always got the money to go out and get that guy. My personal feeling is Cervelli at this point is an automatic out. With Montero tearing it up right now, why not bring him up to see what hes got? Posada can hardly play catcher anymore so Cervelli has really become the starting catcher. Theres very very very few days you see Posada catching and not DHing. Let Montero work with Kevin Long at the Major League level. There aren’t many guys, phenoms (Strasburg, Heyward, Stanton etc) that come straight from the minors and are able to hit at the Major League level. Cano is a perfect example of that. When did Cano come up, 05? 06? not till last year did we really start to see him coming into his own as a major leaguer. This idea that guys sitting on the bench is a bad thing is dumb in my opinion because the more they learn and study at the major league level the better major leaguer they’ll be instead of just being thrusted into a position where everyone expects them to succeed and with staggering numbers. The way I see it its like cramming for a test. Not to mention in NY where if they bring up Montero next year as the starting catcher, with all this hype and he goes 5-76 in his 1st like month, the city is gunna kill him “hes a bust, we shoulda traded him, he sux we should trade him” guys should be groomed for the job. Thats how I feel about it personally..
I agree we should get these guys some MLB experience sooner rather than later
Cano was a good hitter in the Majors from the get-go, hitting .297 in ’05 and nearly winning a batting title in ’06 (.342).
True
He did hit some bumps in the road though, he grew into a major leaguer. I garuntee half of these guys are traded this offseason if they don’t get at least a September call up

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