Around The Yankees Galaxy 8/12/2010
by 3460kuri on Aug 12, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintCurtis Granderson has been a topic of debate, disappointment, or resentment lately, depending on how you think this season impacts his future with the Yankees and what you think of Austin Jackson. You all already know what I think.
Rob Neyer weighed in on the subject twice - first here and then here. It's interesting to look at it this way. We, the fans, always stand at the sidelines and second guess every move that doesn't work and applaud every one that does. GMs can't do this. They can only use the information they have at the moment to make what they think is the best decision.
Think about that for a minute.
The Yankees needed an outfielder last offseason. Johnny Damon wasn't going to play forever, and Melky Cabrera, while certainly a solid role player, wasn't a star. If we're being honest, nobody really knew what to expect out of Brett Gardner or Austin Jackson. Not wanting to rely on old, marginal, or unproven players, and not wanting to break the bank for Matt Holliday (or wait a year and break the bank for Carl Crawford), Brian Cashman made a trade for a proven outfielder that was signed for a lower salary and fewer years than anybody he'd be able to acquire via free agency. Anytime you can do that, it's rarely a bad move.
Despite all the drama and controversey, Johnny Damon, Curtis Granderson, and Austin Jackson are only separated by about .5 WAR this season, and considering the issues surrounding all three of them, it would not surprise me to see that trend continue next year. Time will tell what happens, but five years from now I highly doubt this will be looked back on as a horrible trade.
- It's About The Money ponders wether it's time to bring up Jesus Montero. At this point, Francisco Cervelli is about one more bad week removed from falling into Jose Molina territory with the bat. Again, I won't rehash the argument we had last year, but when you have a replacement level bat, it's nearly physically impossible to do enough good work with the glove to make up for it.
- River Avenue Blues takes a look at Brett Gardner's recent struggles, and I hope nobody is jumping to any conclusions too soon. Whether he winds up remaing the starting left fielder or merely turns into a very good fourth outfielder, he provides a lot of value for his salary and is somebody worth hanging on to (at least until 2012 when he hits arbitration).
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I have a new nickname for Francisco Rodriguez
KO-Rod
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
I hate it when someone posts something sensible and reasonable, and there's nothing to ridicule. You're ruining this site.
(The RAB) link goes to the game, not to Gardner). So is Gardner slumping or has the league caught onto his act? RAB believes that Kerry Wood is being stretched out so that he can become a starter- I don’t see it. Pettitte will be back, and Dustin Moseley would already be my fifth starter. Actually, he would be my fourth, ahead of Javy and AJ.
For what it’s worth, in the last 24 hours I have heard that both Granderson and Berkman are getting the Kevin Long swing rebuild treatment.
by designatedquitter on Aug 12, 2010 8:44 AM EDT reply actions
Moseley ahead of Javier Vazquez ?
How can you possibly say that? He’s had like 3 starts…
Gardy’s 2 hits were huge last night, hopefully he turns the season right back around now.
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Moseley has had 3 good starts. Vazquez has been a .500 pitcher. So has Burnett.
Moseley was always considered a good prospect with the Angels, they just couldn’t wait out his injuries. He’s 29, he knows how to pitch, and I think the results we have seen so far are likely to be typical.
by designatedquitter on Aug 12, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I just think it's premature to draw conclusions out of 3 starts
No doubt he has been solid in replacement of Pettitte… but give the guy some time.
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
We should draw conclusions based on the 1,200 he’s pitched as a professional.
Across his body of work, he’s shown mediocre K rates, mediocre walk rates, and a mediocre ERA.
He sucks.
Zing!
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Zing?
Silly. The guy has done a very good job subbing for Pettitte. That’s what I care about, not what he’s done in the minors, past, etc. Don’t live in the past, it’s not healthy.
Moseley has done an admirable job filling in for Pettitte, but he was and is a replacement level pitcher. It’s not about living in the past, it’s about making accurate judgments about a player’s abilities.
The beginning of the career of some guy named Koufax. Yeah, I know, I’m not saying Moseley is another Koufax. But there are lots of guys who have started off “meh” and put together nice careers. Jamie Moyer for example.
Please...
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 1:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Again, "Please"?
What comment, or “judgment”, would have been made about this player’s “abilities” upon seeing these numbers?
You're basically saying that because Dustin Moseley hasn't has great success yet that he could be like Sandy Koufax because Koufax took the same path..
Give me a break
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 2:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lots of players have started off mediocre and then learn how to pitch with experience. My question still went unanswered and a “Zing” probably would have accompanied another one of kuri’s brilliant assessments of Koufax’s early career. Can’t you see what I’m saying? Just because he was less than stellar in the minors and elsewhere doesn’t mean Moseley can’t be a serviceable starter now…Good Lord.
I still think the speculation is premature
But… uh alright
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not speculating at all. I was just taking issue with the “he sucks” comment based on what he has thus far accomplished. I’m just merely saying give the guy a break, he may prove to be better than he has previously shown. That’s all.
Well that was much more complicated than need be lol
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All Mosely would need is....
A 100 MPH fastball, and a wicked curve ball,
to go along with his pinpoint control and command.
and THEN, maybe we could include his name in the same sentence as Sandy Koufax. But absent that, it seems kind of silly.
And in point of fact, pretty much NOBODY has that, and keeps it for their entire career. They handful of guys that do are all in the H-O-F.
Sandy Koufax’s early career wasn’t great, but he did strike a lot of guys out, which is at least something you can work with. The reason he began to succeed was because he drastically cut down on the walks allowed, which makes a lot of sense.
Moseley’s stuff is pretty pedestrian, and his periperal stats are unspectacular. Sure, he could turn it around this late in his career, I just wouldn’t bet on it. Short of adding 5 mph to his fastball, or learning a devastating new pitch, it’s tough to see him succeeding in the majors long term. He’s got double the minor league innings that most guys get and he hasn’t figured it out yet, so I’m not going to hold my breath.
Anything can happen, but for every Jamie Moyer type of player who turns it around at age 30, you’ve probably got at least 100 guys who don’t. The odds are not in his favor.
What Moseley does have, is....
A realistic shot at being a middle reliever and spot starter in the big leagues for a career. He knows how to pitch, but he’s got marginal big league stuff. He’s the kind of guy that will get hit fairly hard after big league hitters have seen him several times. Which is why he won’t be a long term starter – but he could still be a serviceable middle reliever and spot starter – which is what he is right now.
I actually said he has done a great job
Did you read anything else I said?
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then why the "Zing!"?
I could only come to the conclusion that you agree with the “he sucks” sentiment.
Zing had no agreement
I said it because it was comical that Kuri came along and just said everything he did in a very aggressive manner
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Vazquez has been a .500 pitcher
cuz his team doesn’t hit.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 12, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
and his catchers fail him
A thousand lips. A thousand tongues. A thousand throats. A thousand lungs. A thousand ways to make it true. I want to do terrible things to you.
by Nine Inch Nails on Aug 12, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
If only the Yankees scored 8 runs when he pitches he could win 20 this season.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Aug 12, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
if you've been paying attention
3 or 4 is all.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 12, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You make it sound like his ERA isn't in fact on the North side of 4.5
And it’s all the offense’s fault.
talking about a guy who have up 2 or less runs in 3 starts
and got a ND or a loss, and then someone ignorantly calling him a .500 pitcher.
And his past 2 starts his defense obviously failed him, hence the “are you paying attention” stuff.
He’s better then his ERA too, but the advanced stats are always too advanced and ruffle feathers.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 12, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
His defense failed him
But he also had two out walks and his velocity isn’t what it was. He may not be a .500 pitcher, but he sure isn’t an ace.
I get that too.
I’m just saying we can’t blame a lot of his shortcomings on the team around him- he has his own issues.
he does have his own issues
but he’s more so seems record and stat wise mediocre cuz of his team’s failing him.
He’s more of a good #2 pitcher then anything.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 12, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
#2 pitcher??
Really? A career 4.22 ERA pitcher? He only has three seasons in his career under 3.5. I’d say his a middle-of-the-road #3 pitcher, or a good #4.
again..just looking at ERA
you’d be right.
But to just look at ERA, you’d be wrong.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 12, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, he also has a WHIP of 1.25
A career BAA of .255, a career ERA+ of 106, and so on. I fail to see career stats that indicate he is anything other than an average, .500 pitcher. One that can eat innings and get strikeouts, sure, but still a middle-of-the-road, career .500 pitcher.
and winning % has more to do with the team
which is why he’s .500 this year, cuz his team doeskin’ score when he pitches well.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 12, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a big advocate of win/loss %
but you said it was ignorant to call him a .500 pitcher, yet that’s what he has been his whole career.
what was his velocity yesterday? 89?
Far cry from 89 I guess…..
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 12, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He usually gets low 90s
though your sarcasm does help prove your point.
haven't seen him in the low 90's since he was with ATL
he’s around 89-91 the whole year.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 12, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooh, oooh, My turn for sarcasm! (I say this with a lighthearted smile)
I guess 91 isn’t technically low 90s, since it’s in the lower end of the 90s.
The point though is his velocity has dropped. He was an 89-91 pitcher and now he’s 87-89. Of course with proper rest he’ll probably get that velocity back.
Javy has averaged between 91.1 and 91.8MPH on his fastball each of the last 5 years (2005-2009), which is extremely consistent and fast enough to work off of.
This year? 88.8
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I hate it when stats get in the way of my opinions
but I love it when they back them up.
not really backing them up...actually...
I said Javy was higher with the Braves, and around 89 this year.
He was 89 last night.
I dunno what exactly you’re trying to prove tho
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 12, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He "lost" 3 mph, huh?
Well I think they were stolen! Let’s check Grandy’s locker
A supporter of the MFY.
Sorry to switch topics....
…but I am getting tickets for next month’s Red Sox game at the Yankee stadium – Section 325 Row 4 or 03 or 02. Obviously, the tickets are not cheap. I just wanted to know if the view is amazing or simply average.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
Yes, I guarantee you will like those seats.
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
Bleachers, however, are the best (yes, I am biased)
But really.. bleachers during a Boston game are hilarious
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Cool Stat on Mariano Last night on Baseball tonight
Just in case you all missed it. After Andrus hit that triple in the 9th, baseball tonight gave us a cool stat. In Mariano’s career there has been 14 times when there has been just a man on 3rd base in the 9th inning. The batters in that situation are 0-14 with Zero RBI’s. Wow. Great win last night.
damn nice stat...
He’s a living legend!
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Does Lone Star Ball make anyone else disrespect Ranger fans?
I’ve never heard more profanity anywhere… they’re giving HH a run for their money…
Wagonz!
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Call Montero up in September
Maybe he could channel Shane Spencer and go nuts with the bat.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Aug 12, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions
Get Ace back before August 30 so he can be eligible for playoff roster
That’s most imminent!
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Gardner's slumping
he’s not swinging the bat, he’s trying to be Nick Johnson up there.
And Cervelli is being Cervelli. I thought he was a better hitter then Jose Molina, but that’s not all that true.
Won’t be a problem, Jorge’s the catcher in the playoffs
Slumps happen.
Had I told anyone that Gardner would be batting .280 this far into the season in the preseason, everyone here would have signed on for that in a heartbeat.
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by tnredneckyankeesfan on Aug 12, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
.282 avg with a .380+ OBP i would signed up for from day one
by BronxBeliever on Aug 12, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude if you had told me that he'd do that
I would have said “You’re !@#$ing shitting me.” I think he’ll end at around .300.
A supporter of the MFY.
I mean that in a good way, I never thought he'd have .380 OBP, I expected much lower
boy am I happy.
A supporter of the MFY.
GGBG = Unsung Hero
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I probably could have at least realistically hoped for a .280 batting average
But I never would have imagined an OBP that high. He’s been such an unsung surprise for us.
I hoped for .270 and a .350 OBP
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Gardner will come around
He’s been awesome this year and was due for a slump.
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
He's trying to be Nick Johnson? Has he slammed his face into a brick wall? Fallen off a roof?
by designatedquitter on Aug 12, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he's talking about
the way Gardner has been watching pitches go by and won’t even attempt a swing till there’s two strikes. He has been a little more aggressive the last couple starts tho.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/expanded-four-factors-austin-jacksons-babip/
I don’t entirely agree with that article, but I wouldn’t be surprised if what they believe does happen. Jackson projects as a .300wOBA or below average hitter going forward the next few years.
So let’s not cry about the trade just yet. We have Granderson for 2 more years. We’ll see how he and A-Jax continue to do.
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They project him under .300wOBA?
Ouch..
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Not buying it
How often have various fangraphs projected Ichiro to hit .270 or Jeter to hit .250? I don’t believe them.
Granderson/Gardy
I liked the Granderson trade when it happened. I have been disappointed with is performance though. He is who he is and we have to make te best of it.
Gardy – he will hit .280 – .300 and be a contributor inspite of what a lot of people want to think about him. HE’S A “GOOD” BALLPLAYER. Maybe not great but still better than most and the Yankees are lucky to have him.
Yankees struck out 17 times yesterday
And still won… pathetic much?
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I think we need to discuss the Granderson trade less
I’m pretty sure we’re all nicely settled into how we think about him, AJax, and the trade.
It's as simple as Kuri said
Anyone with a brain would have done the trade. The opportunity was spectacular.
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Your reasoning?
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well its easy to say that now with Grady having an off year at the plate
and Jackson tearing it up.
I was with you but for me it was more I was emotionally attached to the players we got rid of. I am over it we can’t undo the trade so why even worry about it?.
He plays a great CF so I am hoping next year after a season to adjust to his new team he will have a better year with the bat.
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 12, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
Oh boy..
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Read it
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 12, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Take/Article
Grandy can run, play D, and hit Righties. We knew he can’t hit lefties and hoped he’d learn how to move runners…something none of the Yanks seem able to do lately. The real disappointment is the hopes and dreams of lots of folks on this site…thinking a guy like that could bat #2 and play every day on a team like the Yanks that will see more lefties than most. He is what Cashman thought, a good fit for the price, and likely not going anywhere.
by steelerwheeler on Aug 12, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions
Crawford for Gardner
I’m ready for the flack but I would like to see Carl Crawford in left field and Granderson in center next year. I’m writing this year an off year for Granderson (he has history of a better hitter than he’s shown). With Crawford in left, it’s an inprovement offensively and defensively. Crawford will be on base far more than Gardner will (stolen bases will greatly upgrade) and I believe Granderson will have the year the Yankees expected from him.
Crawford will be on base far more than Gardner will
Brett Gardner’s career OBP – .350
Carl Crawford’s career OBP – .336
Just sayin….
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small sample of gardner
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
827 professional plate appearances, and another 1400 in the minors in which his OBP was even higher?
No, the sample size in fine. The fact of the matter is that Carl Crawford has a career walk rate similar to Robinson Cano, and whoever gets him this off season is going to be stuck with a massive overpay. Replacing GGBG with Crawford is essentially spending 10 times more money to get a near carbon copy of a player.
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He's not a near carbon copy of GGBG
Not even close. Crawford is a much greater power hitter than Gardner.
That being said, I wouldn’t want to replace Gardner with Crawford. I’d be more willing to replace Granderson with Gardner and Gardner with Crawford, but I’m still not on that boat either. IMHO, we should even make a run at Crawford and stick with our very solid outfield of Gardner, Granderson, and Swisher. Instead we should make a run at Cliff Lee, who fills a much bigger need.
You always make a run. But offer him something very team friendly (say $30M/3Y). If he wants to be a Yankee, let him make a counteroffer. Maybe he’s like Tex & Berkman, grew up cheering for Yankees, or he’s like CC and he knows what team is going to the playoffs every year.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
I think CC and Tex came here because of the monster contracts
Berkman probably came here to play with a contender.
Berkman was very candid about why he came here
He told his wife that he wanted to still see if he could get it done under the bright lights in games that really matter.
Crawford, of the 97 home runs in 5202 career plate appearances, and a career .440 SLG does not have any type of great power (but certainly more power than GGBG).
And as we’ve seen with Grandy, moving a line drives type hitter with speed into one of the toughest ballparks in the majors to hit doubles and triples might not be the best idea.
I really have no interest in Carl Crawford, especially at the $12MM-$15MM AAV he is most likely going to command as a free agent.
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+1
Or in Queens
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not for Crawford
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Aug 12, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
Too much money. Doesn’t do as told. The turf he’s been playing on isn’t good for his career ahead. I’ll keep my .270+ avg/.350+ OBP, cheap, does as told Gardner.
I think .270/.350 sells Gardner short.
even in a devastating slump he’s still batting .280 (though you could argue he just rapidly regressed to the mean).
I think Brett is a minimum .280/.370 hitter.
Meh.
I set the bar low so that anything more is gravy(at least to me)
Oh I get that
that’s why I believe pessimists are the happiest people: if you expect the worst the happen, the worst rarely does happen and thus things are almost always better than you expect and so you are happy.
-1
Curtis Granderson career UZR (7 seasons): 21.7
Brett Gardner career UZR (3 seasons): 28.5
Let me repeat: Brett Gardner has saved more runs than Granderson in about 1/3rd the time. He is a defensive savant, and given sufficient time could be one of the top defensive OF since 1950.
Curtis Granderson offense 2009-10: 246/320/441 (761 OPS), 30 SB
Brett Gardner offense 2009-10: 277/363/378 (742 OPS), 58 SB
So for what we need our CF to do offensively (get on base), Brett Gardner has been considerably better over the last two years.
Curtis Granderson WAR 2009-10: 4.7
Brett Gardner WAR 2009-10: 5.1
Curtis Granderson salary 2011: 8.5 million
Brett Gardner salary 2011: $500,000
by PortlandYankee on Aug 12, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Given A-Rod, Tex, Cano, Swish
We need a CF who can get on base above .350, play stellar defense, and use his legs to score runs.
That’s Brett Gardner, not Curtis Granderson.
by PortlandYankee on Aug 12, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No, that's Curtis Granderson, not Brett Gardner
It’d be nice to have a left fielder do that too.
That’s Brett Gardner, not Carl Crawford.
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Wow
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
congrats Free on history
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We won't get Crawford
There’s no need for him. We’ll have Granderson, Swisher is not going anywhere and Gardner is more than serviceable. I’d guess we’ll start next year with the same OF, although I don’t know if Grandy will make it thru the season as our number one CF’er.
i think we need to gve javy a day off when we have the time
He’s had a dead arm since his last start which can explain some of his troubles yesterday (abit he was unlucky on the HR, some GB and dumb defensive plays) In this game and the sox game it was the first time this season he didn’t top 90 mph. Javy himself said all the innings he threw in his career might has some affect on this arm right now…so we need to give him a rest…but the problem is we’re already short on pitching
OT
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Lol
Papelbon going nuclear is never OT!
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Aug 12, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions
I’m at work. Was a delicious blown save (walks, wild pitches and a booming double-ish) or a mediocre one (texas leaguers, dribblers, etc)?
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Lackey gave up a homer to Bautista to start the 9th
Paps came in, double for Wells, single for Lind, Wise stole 2nd, infield hit moved him over, a K, double down the line to tie it.
Bard came in and gave up a sac fly
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Aug 12, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What exactly happened?
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 3:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wow. That is an epic fail by Paps.
How long until they put Bard in as the closer? It seems like a bad idea to even wait until the end of the season.
Too Bad Bard didn't give US a Sac Fly last week
He was pretty lights out in the last game of the Bosox series, when a Yanks win could really have driven a stake into their hearts. Maybe Papelblown’s choke today will serve the same purpose
Anyways, Papelbon came on in the 9th with a 2 run lead. Gave up 4 hits and got yanked with the score tied, and Bard gave up a Sac Fly that ended the game.
Was Papelbon taken out due to an injury?
Or was he just being a bitch again?
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 3:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They took him out so they would have a chance to win
Not a great chance, given the situation Paps put them in, but a better chance than if that joke of a pitcher was in.
Paps, Gagne, Etc
Just another flash in the pan closer with a few years of brilliance under their belt that eventually regress to mediocrity after unsuccessfully trying to wedge into the Mo category of elite closers.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Aug 12, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
It’s amazing how quickly these guys go from unhittable to useless.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
well in Gagne's case....
It was drug testing that put an end to his years as a dominant closer.
League sees them enough that they figure 'em out
Comical that Paps sucks
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You are absolutely correst, Sir.
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Aug 12, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Aug 12, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
It took just 9 pitches for Paps to do that?
The OTM game recap sounds like something Corporate Communications would send out. No anger, nothing. I guess they’re not used to laughing at their misery.
by pkyankeefan on Aug 12, 2010 3:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I just wrote a fanshot about it
But poor Chipper Jones. That’ll hurt the Braves a lot and it’s so unfortunate to see his career end that way.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
He tore his ACL
That’s not how legends’ careers should end.
Yeah, that really sucks
He doesn’t seem like the sort who’d change his mind and think of another season.
by pkyankeefan on Aug 12, 2010 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah, I don't think so
especially trying to rehab a torn ACL.
He had said that this would be his last season at the start of the year
And now he blew out his ACL.
I feel so awful
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he a Hall of Famer?
436 homers, 1491 RBIs, 2490 hits, a career .306/.405/.536 line? I’d say he has a good shot but I dunno if he is a lock.
I believe he is
Remember.. he’s a switch hitter as well
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he was a lock and I doubt he'll get in the 1st ballot
but I think he will eventually get in
Better numbers than Billy Williams and Andre Dawson....
but those are two of the more marginal H-O-Fers.
Career .405 is excellent
Many consider Jeter a lock and his OBP is .386
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not taking away from Jeter
I’m just saying
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeter was a SS.
CHipper is a 3b/OF. Not a fair comparison.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Aug 12, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Jeter's also a shortstop....
And he has FIVE, count-em rings – with hopefully more on the way.
If Jeter had fewer than 2500 hits, and only one ring, I don’t think he’d get in. He’d basically have Nomar Garciaparra’s numbers.
Jeter's not a lock cuz of his OBP
Jeter’s a lock cuz he’s a lock for 3000+ hits and of course being Derek Jeter on the 5 time Chip Yanks
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 12, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The 4 Gold Gloves don't hurt
Neither does the clutch hitting in the playoffs.
And Chipper is a world champion too
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, I know all of that
But I guess when I looked at his career numbers they didn’t blow me away like I expected them to. They are very good, but I thought they were better.
He’s one of the best hitting 3B ever. He’s in. If he hadn’t moved back to 3B from LF in 2004, I might change my mind.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Just average to below average
Total Zone has him at -25 for his career.
In a lot of ways, he’s the mirror image of Derek Jeter:
First round pick who played his entire career with his original team.
Captain from the left side of the infield for a perennial playoff team in the late-90s & early 2000s.
One of the best offensive players at his position ever, but a weak defender.
by PortlandYankee on Aug 12, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Those numbers are a clear cut HOF
When you break the magical .300/.400./500 for your career it’s a lock. No doubt about it. One of the best switch hitters in history. Maybe 3rd best behind the Mick and Eddie Murray.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Aug 12, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Chipper is somewhere in the 6-10 range among All-Time 3B
Behind Schmidt, Mathews, Boggs, Brett, and Santo, and somewhere on the level of Brooks Robinson & Kilebrew.
80 Career WAR (more than Jeter, Top 50 all-time), .405 lifetime OBP (Top 50), 940 OPS, 3rd all-time in HR among 3B, 4th or 5th in hits, 2nd in OBP.
Then there’s the intangibles: MVP, batting title, 11-straight post-seasons, WS ring.
He was the best 3B of the last 15 years, followed by Scott Rolen, with nobody else particularly close.
If he’s not a 1st ballot HOF, he’s gonna get in pretty quick.
by PortlandYankee on Aug 12, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops
Fangraphs tells me that among 3B he’s 1st in SLG & OPS, as well.
by PortlandYankee on Aug 12, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
btw, BBS, from what I see where that fly ball was hit...
Granderson probably throws the winning run out there, LOL.
A supporter of the MFY.
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
No way
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