Cliff Lee/Jesus Montero/Z-Mach overflow
by 3460kuri on Jul 9, 2010 2:32 PM EDT
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PrintYanks have offered Montero, Adams and 3rd prospect. Now it's up to Seattle. I do think they'll agree, eventually.
- tweeted by Jon Heyman at 2:24 p.m.
Opinions really seem to be split.
Here's what we know for sure - You can't have Montero tie up the DH spot with A-Rod, Jeter, and others around, Teixiera blocks him at first base, and Nick Swisher and Brett Gardner, who are both really, really good and on team-friendly contracts, block him at the outfield corners.
If the Yankees aren't 100% sure that Montero can catch in the bigs, there is nowhere for him to play.
If this happens, Phil Hughes will not go back to the bullpen. Javier Vazquez will get traded somewhere.
Update by jscape (3:57): Joel Sherman now tweets that the trade is unlikely, and that the M's are "going in a different direction" because of the injury to David Adams.
Update by jscape (5:24): Looks like the Rangers will be getting Lee.
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My opinion is split between angry and disappointed. Does that count?
Questions or thoughts? Email me at duggan2423(at)gmail(dot)com
Why angry?
Hey I don’t like the deal either. Whether it is a good move or not at least I feel comforted knowing the Yankees are always trying to be better. We could have had the misfortune of being Pirates or Royals fans.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasting resources to carry out bad strategies make me angry when I feel personally invested in both the short term and long term success of the team.
Yeah, they want to win, but I feel like they’re going about it in a very stupid way. Obviously, if the trade goes down, I’m going to support Cliff Lee and the team, but I just really, really, wish he’d stay in Seattle.
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I think the thing we’re all forgetting is what if Jesus Montero can’t catch?
The Yankees say he’s a catcher, but privately, what if they have their doubts?
The ONLY POSITION for Montero in the bigs may be DH. They’re not going to trade Nick Swisher to make room for him in right, and they’re not going to dump Brett Gardner who’s not even arbitration eligible to make room for him in left.
DHing him sucks when you have an old roster like the Yankees do, because A-Rod will need to DH more and more before his contract is over in 2017.
I’m in favor of the deal. Montero is a difference maker for another team, but not for the Yankees. They have nowhere for him to play. By making the trade now, you save the two picks it would cost to sign Cliff Lee, plus you can trade Javy Vazquez for something.
I don’t think it’s wasting resources. Keeping a player who has no position open on your team seems like more of a waste.
It's not even about Montero for me though.
It’s more just the gluttony of the situation. It makes it hard to like the team.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
I'll still like them.
It just makes it hard to like them.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
The Yanks
stopped worrying a long time ago, about how it looks from a PR
stand point, why MLB instituted luxury tax to begin with…
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
Metric was saying on the other thread that we needed to trade him because he can't play for us
And that even if he was only a first baseman with a good bat we could have gotten more for him. That’s debatable, but I suppose it’s possible.
Why is the choice only "keep him forever or trade him now"?
Why not “keep him to trade him in a year or two when more sensible deal comes along”? We’re not getting back as much as we could. Hence, a waste.
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
I think it would be very doable for Montero to split time at C/DH, maybe even sprinkle in a little 1B at the bigs while they figured out exactly what they had in him.
We don’t need Cliff Lee. At all. Does this improve our chances to win this year? Probably. But the playoffs are a crapshoot anyways, so how much can our odds really go up?
If you insist on flipping him, can we at least wait until we have an actual need for something that Montero can bring back?
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You know Duggan
I agree with a lot of what you post, I truly do. I agree with this being a not-so-smart deal at face value. But I also think there are facts that we as fans may not be privy to. Cashman and the organization are pretty damn smart and have made smart moves. I think there must be a method to the madness. This is the same office that landed Tex from the jaws of Boston, CC and AJ, made the brilliant Swisher move and have been smart enough to turn Gardner and Cervelli into full time players. I would give Cash the benefit of the doubt. It simply could have been as easy as CC pulling Cash aside and saying “On the down low, Cliff will sign long term if you get him out of Seattle now”.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It's also the same office that..
Signed an injury-prone Jaret Wright, thought Kei Igawa was good, didn’t bring Andy back after 2003…. they’re certainly not mistake-free
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
shhhh
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In defense, Cashman wasn't in complete control then
I don’t think the Tampa crew stopped meddling until what, 2007 or something?
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
It was like October 2005.
Cot’s Contracts
“3 years/about $5.5M (2006-08)
signed extension 10/05
will make between $1.7M and $2M annually, 2006-08”
That was when he said he wanted more control or he wouldn’t come back.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Are you sure it was 2005?
I thought it was more recent. Maybe I’m wrong. Either way, I don’t entirely blame him for all the stuff from earlier in the decade.
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
Not signing Andy was the hard/smart thing to do
At the time it looked like his arm was falling off. They also did the smart thing by not resigning Bernie, loyalty is great but not at the price of making your team worse.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How did it look like his arm was falling off?
I certainly don’t remember that.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Well try remembering harder
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't falling off.
How did it look like that? His 2003 season was one of his best ever.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
And actually I'm not sure they did the smart thing by not resigning Bernie
Cashman thought he could replace Bernie’s production with Josh Phelps & Doug Mientkiewicz. That worked out well…
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
If you recall
his 2nd season (Houston), elbow surgery, in that short term they were right
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
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1st season.
And that was caused by hitting. He would prob not have had that problem with NY.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Well, all I can really do is draw conclusions on the information that I have. If Cash knows that Montero’s knees are ticking time bombs, and that Cliff Lee would sign for a pack of candy bars, I will, of course, reverse my position.
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I don't think they'll be able to snap a Javy deal immediately though.
So would they really wait around if they could get Lee before trading Javy? The only option would seem to be Hughes to the pen.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Hughes will pitch tonight
Then you skip his next start with Lee in the rotation to limit his innings and then see where we are in 10 days. Who knows, we may (but obviously let’s hope not) have an injury by then that mays the choice for us.
Good problem to have..
On how many teams in the majors would all six of our starters be the ace?
Javy is a good pitcher
He has never been an ace, neither has AJ.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They never have been
but there are teams out there where they could be.
We don't play for the wild card around here kid
Yeah
Marte could be a closer for some of those teams too. So what.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
So nothing
They’re all good and all could be aces somewhere. Like he said, good problem to have.
We don't play for the wild card around here kid
I'm split.
Part of me is indifferent, and another part of me is going “here we go again…more reason for people to hate the Yanks”.
Bringing Absurdity to New Heights!
No part of me is indifferent...
Because I like the idea of CC and Lee back to back. But, I’ve already heard it from Mets fans today. And now it’s just gonna get worse, “There ya go, buying another title.” All I could say is, “Actually, we’re trading for it.”…
Let's cut through the crap, Vaughn. I only got one thing to say to you: "Strike this mother f*cker out."
Hate the Yanks?
This goes against everyones view of them…
"Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?"
by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What, getting yet another high profile person mid-season?
I am more shocked at how shocked you all are.
Bringing Absurdity to New Heights!
People hate the Yankees for "buying" high-profile players...
And I’m not shocked…I just think it doesn’t make sense unless Montero really isn’t as good as we thought.
"Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?"
by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they already hate us
I’d rather they hated us for winning the WS, rather than for over-spending for a team that falls short.
by long time listener on Jul 9, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what we did before we actually won last year...
What’s the difference here? :P
I’m just sayin’.
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I just hate..
“Buying a Championship” Phrase. Because you still gotta win the games. And in the playoffs, we all know it’s a big ol’ crap shoot anyway.
Let's cut through the crap, Vaughn. I only got one thing to say to you: "Strike this mother f*cker out."
Exactly.
If we got Lee in the offseason, we’d have to deal with what everyone’s saying right now. Everyone’s just pissed that that Montero kid is part of this deal.
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I don't even think they should get Lee in the offseason anyway
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
if we don't get Lee and don't win
They’ll still hate us. If we don’t get Lee and DO win, they’ll still hate us.
by long time listener on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
instead its now a nice problem to have in the rotation
not much of a difference
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I would hedge a bet that the Yankees wouldnt do this if they didn't think they could sign him long term
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah exactly
what i was about to say
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll resign
But it will be a a price with little or no surplus value that could be used to pay other players.
Big difference.
You realize he’s a rental, right?
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by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He'll re-sign. Who can offer him more than the Yanks?
Let's cut through the crap, Vaughn. I only got one thing to say to you: "Strike this mother f*cker out."
Plus who offers him the chance to win multiple WS Rings
And get to pitch with his best friend
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
he will re-sign.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee will cost $20 mill a season, minimum. Montero is cash controlled for another like 6 years and would make tiny money. And if we wait until the end of the season, there’s a good chance we could get both if they were so high on Lee.
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not necessarily
CC didn’t get an extension.
by long time listener on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
CC didnt wanna be a brewer long term
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
plus he got another $60 million from the Yanks
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee doesn't want an extension
He wants to test the free agent market no matter where he goes
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
i doubt he gets $20 million
but also, by trading for him now, that means if the yankees re-sign him they dont lose their 1st round draft pick.
plus, they can now swing vazquez, who is a free agent after this year anyway, for another peice of the puzzle.
try and be optomistic about this
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
CC signed that deal at 28
cliff lee will be 32. thats why
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yanks will have no leverage though.
Lee knows that the ball will be in his court because the Yanks wouldn’t have traded all those players just to rent him.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
world series rings.
thats great leverage. he joins a rotation with CC, AJ, Hughes, maybe Pettitte next year. and an amazing lineup. thats pretty good leverage
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If rings were Lees "leverage"
He would’ve stayed on Philly…who wouldn’t have thought their rotation was WS worthy with Lee and Halladay there?
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by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 2:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Philly traded him
he didnt leave on his own
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
so thats pretty irrelevant
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong.
Philly “traded him” (aka: got nothing back for him), because Lee made it clear he wasn’t staying.
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by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
...what are you talking about?
they got 3 prospects for Lee. Lee did not make it clear he wasn’t staying. the phils could not afford Halladay and Lee. they have other big contracts.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
The Phillies got 3 nobodys for him. They had to dump him, and yes, Lee made it clear he was testing the FA Market, which is why the Phillies practically dumped him.
Why else would you explain the Phillies dumping Lee for Halladay? They got nowhere doing that…
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by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes they did.
they got 3 very solid prospects.
and the main thing of halladay for lee was that Halladay would sign an extension right away and it was more of a guarantee they’d have a top pitcher for more years.
yes Lee wanted to test the market, however, that does not mean he wanted to leave
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Read the 1st sentence of your 2nd paragraph again.
Than tell me how you’re proving me wrong…
“The main thing of Halladay for Lee was that Halladay would sign an extention right away etc.”
Wouldn’t this indicate to anybody that they didn’t think Lee was going to re-sign?
Lee wanted to test the market, the Phillies practically knew he wasn’t coming back, and sent him to whereever they could.
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by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention the Phillies were trying to re-sign him.
Lee and the Phils were working up an extension, and couldn’t. Which is probably why Lee said he was “shocked” and what not.
Lee expected big money from the Phils or he was gone…
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by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but its not like they knew for sure he was leaving. testing the market is not equivalent to signing with another team.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Those prospects were considered to be very weak, and all three of them are sucking at AA. One even got sent back to A+.
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^Thank you.
The Phillies practically gave away Lee…
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by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gillies
one of the prospects, had hit .341 with a .430 OBP and stole 44 bases for his A+ team. thats a weak prospect?
Aumont was a first round pick and had a 3.88 ERA and 16 saves before he was traded to the phils. thats not a weak prospect either.
the other prospect they got was not as good
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
also
i just happened to look those guys up. aumont made his first start and struck out 13 over 6 innings.
like duggan said though gillies is struggling at AA, but look up his prior minor league numbers. they are not weak
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever you say.
The only way they woulve kept Lee is if he was affordable for them, they tried to get a new contract going and it didn’t work. Which is why Lee was “shocked” and what-not, he probably thought the Phils were gonna give him what he wanted.
The prospects weren’t very good. A is not the same as AA, and just because you are a killer at A doesn’t mean you’re going to be a killer at AA.
I’ll agree that Lee wasn’t 100% going to leave, hence the reason he negotiated with the Phils, but it was clear that they didn’t have a good chance of signing him.
In fact, Lee supposidley talked about spending the rest of his career as a Phillie, so you had to figure that if he wasn’t getting the big money he desired, he was gone.
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by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 4:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they had another year of him
thats value. hes an ace. the phils arent dumb. they wouldnt just trade Lee for nothing.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't he upset about leaving Philly too?
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
yes lol
idk what he was talking about
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not as far as anybody here in the fucking Philadelphia area can tell me...
Look, my entire area was upset about Lee leaving, and the reasoning was because “why bother getting rid of Lee for Halladay?”
It was apparently because he wanted to test out the FA Waters after the season.
Sound familiar?
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by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he might want 20
i think he gets somewhere around $17-18 million per.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
no problem.
im just looking at recent trends in free agency. people are afraid to give aging guys big money. not saying 17 or 18 million isn’t big..but 20 million is a lot for a 32 year old
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t see any long term upside of the few games of marginal wins by replacing Vazquez with Lee.
When you add in the extreme cost in young talent, it starts to just look very, very silly.
And he is going to have all of the leverage in negotiating after all this goes down. He’s getting 20 MM per as an absolute minimum.
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also true
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
32 year old starters
dont get $20 million in free agency, especially with the recent trends.
you dont see long term upside of adding Lee? I can understand the rest of the season…but long term?
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Leverage is the key though.
He can demand $20 mil and prob get it
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
world series rings are great leverage man
so is joining a great rotation with a great lineup while still getting paid a pretty penny.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting rid of Javy means we lose two draft picks from offering him arbitration. Getting rid of Montero means getting rid of an elite hitter making league minimum. Getting Lee blocks Joba from coming to the rotation.
No, I do not see the long term upside.
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i disagree
a contract extension from Lee is another ace. getting rid of Javy, while not getting prospects in the draft, provides us with the ability to trade him for prospects or a proven bullpen guy, bench guy or whatever cashman decides.
Montero is a prospect. and although i know he is a high level prospect, he is still a prospect. there is no guarantee. he is struggling as well.
but the main thing is, montero does not have a place on this team for consistent at bats. we need the revolving door at DH with the aging vets. and there are doubts about him as a catcher. if hes not a catcher, he has no value except as trade bait to the yanks
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The revolving door at DH this year has led to a lot of ABs for Ramiro Pena, Cervelli, Russo, etc. Having someone who can split time at C/DH would be hugely valuable.
And he’s still hitting line drives, not striking out, and drawing walks at AAA, his struggles are a mirage.
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okay
so dealing Javy for a more proven bat would limit those at bats for pena, russo, etc.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It certainly would. We’ll see if that is in the cards and who is available.
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nice to see we agree on that lol
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless Brandon League or somebody similar is showing up with Lee, Javy HAS to be flipped for a good bullpen arm or a power bat.
Unless we can a team to part with, say, a top 5 elite catching prospect.
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no need
romine and sanchez are there. but yes, bullpen arm or a power bat would be great.
there was talk about werth for javy
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
and Joba cant come to the rotation next year anyway
and either way, if pettitte retires, there is an open rotation spot, so the joba point is a moot one
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure he can. Offer arbitration to Javy at the end of the year because his deal is up. He most likely declines to hit free agency instead of taking a pay cut and a one year deal, we get two draft picks and the 2011 rotation is CC, AJ, Andy (possibly), Hughes, Joba.
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how can Joba go to the rotation?
he’ll go through the same limitations. he wasn’t ready anyway. i know you want Joba in the rotation. i agree i think he is needed there as well. but he did not develop enough and he is not a starter anymore. the yanks screwed that part of his career
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s no reason why he can’t succeed in the rotation. I would really, really hope he’s not so fragile he couldn’t handle the move. And there’s no evidence that “he’s not a starter anymore. the yanks screwed that part of his career.”
He’s still a kid, and shows flashes of brilliance. And now that he has a 157 inning season under his belt, I doubt the restrictions will be too much.
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you cant expect some one to succeed
when they do not have a defined role.
personal opinion, i do not think Joba will have a spot in the rotation anymore. and if he was going to the rotation next year, id be pissed. he only had 15 professional starts before getting called up. that is not development. he has since then not had a defined role.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t agree. Look at Aceves last year. What was his role? Do whatever we need this week? And he was such a huge contributor.
The idea that Joba would need like a years worth of notice to know what inning he will be pitching in is mollycoddling that dwarfs the Joba Rules or any other type of limitation.
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yeah but aceves knew he was basically the utility man of the pen
but be honest with me here. you really think someone can succeed with 15 minor league starts under your belt? we’ve seen a lot of things that Joba hasnt developed. he hasnt thrown inside to righties. he falls in love with the slider. the curveball and changeup need to be developed further.
i would love to see him succeed in the rotation, but he needs work, and the yanks have not allowed him that.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
For the first half of last season, and a few games after the AS break, Joba showed that, yes, he can succeed as a starter.
Enough to merit sticking with him. Was he rushed up? Yes. Would he be better with some more training in the minors? Yes.
But the answer is not to just relinquish him to the pen, giving up most of his value. He’s been a starter his whole life, he’ll figure it out. And if we do need to flip him, trading a young starter will get you much better than trading a young 8th inning guy.
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first half...yes
but the yanks had to limit his innings because they rushed him, ruining his second half of the season.
im with you i think they should have stuck with him but i just really believe he needs to be in AAA if the yankees really want him to be a starter in te future
and i agree entirely with your last paragraph.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with limiting his innings, but it makes the whole training wheels thing kind of pointless if you’re never going to let him ride the bike, you’re just going to send him back to the tricycle.
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yes i know.
that would make it pointless. idk, it just sucks what has happened with his career. he needs to be a starter…
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He won't
as a Yankee
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
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sadly, i agree
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 9, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm kind of split
I first heard about this about 15-20 minutes….I figured that they would make room for Jesus around Posada somehow, but I guess at that Jorge contract that wasn’t going to happen….I get it, though, because we weren’t keeping Vasquez after this season anyway….so I’m not really mad, just kind of perturbed that we’re doing this. Even if we’re lucky enough to win the World Series, I still might feel a lil twinge. shrug
For one thing, I know this sucks for Vasquez, for it to happen AGAIN to him, traded out of New York, this time without completing an entire season…
Mike Francesa put it well.
“I like the feeling of an accomplishment when a team actually wins a title. I don’t like the feeling afterward of ‘Well, how could they lose?’ It diminishes the feeling of success.”
Or something to that avail
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Firstly
Francesa is a moron.
Secondly
Francesa is a moron.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a terrific and constructive comment.
Thanks.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
You listen to Francesa
And then expect terrific and constructive comments from ME?!
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not a moron in this situation
I actually agree with him, which is odd.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
And I do agree with that quote
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
Russo I think.
Francesa doesn’t affiliate himself with any team, but he loved Mantle.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Who gives a shit what
he says, he is a dumbass.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
so we're shipping javy right when i started to like the guy
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Just speculation that they will deal Javy
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jul 9, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
is it possible to have a 6 man rotation
cuz i’m a pack rat when it comes to this
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Those who are against the deal
Would it change your mind if Lee came with an extension? And do you think he would be interested in an extension or would he be dead set on FA?
We don't play for the wild card around here kid
No
The extension isn’t the issue. The problem is that we’re burning down the farm for a guy we can lock down in 6 months
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
in pitching it was basically 3 on 1 in the WS
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On a team whose other pitchers included Pedro Martinez
Sorry, but if you don’t find a team with a rotation like Carpenter, Lee, and Wainwright intimidating, you’re lying.
Pitching for who in the NL?
Cliff Lee alone isn’t going to bring someone a title when the Yankees can match and exceed other starts (see: 2009 World Series)
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
the farm will be there, but might as well use him this year
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I would dislike it less if he came with an extension and isn't overpaid
But still wouldn’t like it
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
Anyone know how many innings Hughes
has pitched this year versus how many innings the Yanks think he should pitch this year?
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jul 9, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
as opposed to figuratively not said anything about the deal?
Sorry I am snarky today
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This is dumb
Why try to buy a World Series? Lets win a World Series, not buy one. We are the best team in the league, this is not needed. I understand the arguement the other way. I just don’t lke it at all.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
They don't NEED him to win now.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
They don't NEED Montero in 2013 to win either
I think that if this deal is done it is because Cash has been assured Lee will sign a long term deal favorable to the Yanks. Lee and CC are best friends. Lee wants to win ringSSSS. I may not agree with the deal but I don’t think it is as simple as “Cash is teh morons”.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Please be my guest and go root for the Red Sox or Rays
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Please be my guest and stop making useless, disparaging comments.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
I don't like Yankees fan
Buying into this media induced “gluttony” or “buying rings” BS. You have a moral issue with the team putting themselves in the best position to win? Go root for a scrappy underdog like the Padres or Rays.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Happy. My objection to this has nothing to do with “gluttony,” every team is going to do everything they can to be as good as possible, with no regard for other teams. This is what’s expected.
I’m unhappy because I think they’re going about it in a stupid, short-sighted, reactionary fashion.
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The real gluttons are the ones who want us to sign Lee to a long term big money contract in the offseason
It’s at the point where we already have like $100 million committed towards 2014.
One guy cannot replace two
And there’s a big difference between a one year $12 million dollar contract and a 5 year $100 million one.
What does that say to our current pitchers. The starting pitchers have won 46 of 54 games I believe, thats not good enough??
Since the face been revealed the game got real
there are some skeptism but thats the point in MLB, to build
lee’s just another building block ensurring our repeat bid.
besides i’d rather have him here then have him as a twin, redsox, or whereever he can kill us
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Why if we can't beat one of those teams with Lee on them
then thats why we play the game
Since the face been revealed the game got real
the ends justify the means and if that means having a better chance at wiining
take it
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as a better, anything can happen
as john stockton would say everyone’s beatable, and i would help our chances
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*it would help our chances
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What do you bring to the team that could help?
=P
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
*typo hehe
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you are aying we need 6 pitchers that would be
1 or 2’s in most rotations around the league
Since the face been revealed the game got real
doesn't have to be but i'm open to the idea
it’s basically a gamble
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Just out of curiousity
Hypothetically speaking, would you rather romine or jesus be part of this deal? Jesus has the better bat, but romine will definitely stick at catcher, and jorge’s contract is up in a few years. Plus, romine seems to have a decent bat for a catcher. True, jesus has an amazing bat, but there’s no place to put him.
I would definitely rather keep Jesus.
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he has the bat
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Next year
on Hip Hip Jorge
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
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http://www.pinstripealley.com/2010/7/9/1561455/have-the-yankees-gone-into-overkill
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i would say divided right down the middle
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I really think the competition is basically depleted with Lee
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
do they need to have jesus or a prospect catcher?
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In Reality?
What Yankees fan will dislike them if we get Lee? I’ll still love this team the same. We’re all on the same side. We all want to win. What’s wrong with getting better? The Yanks aren’t making baseball worse. People watch when the Yanks play. You wanna know who makes baseball worse? The owners who don’t do all it takes to win. We should be happy about this, not arguing.
Let's cut through the crap, Vaughn. I only got one thing to say to you: "Strike this mother f*cker out."
Well, yeah, I’m not going to all of a sudden not be a Yankees fan, but I still think the deal is dumb.
And you don’t get any points with me just for “trying to win.” If we crash and burn, are we really going to say “well, at least Cashman tried his hardest?” No, he’s going to get fired. This is a league based on results.
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'04..
We crashed and burned in 4 straight games. Cashman was still the GM, 3 years later Sox won again. He was still our GM. ‘08, Yanks didn’t make the playoffs, he still had the job.
For a team that should win every year, losing from ‘01-’08 should have gotten Cash fired each year. No, he tried to win. And the he did last year.
Let's cut through the crap, Vaughn. I only got one thing to say to you: "Strike this mother f*cker out."
Dude losing in the ALCS is nowhere close to a crash and burn. Cash doesn’t get a get out of jail free card because “he’s trying hard.” And “World Series win or failure” is a stupid, unrealistic goal.
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Yet, it's still the goal every year.
Cash does try hard. And the Yanks have won 2/10, by your logic, though, he should be fired. And come on, that ALCS was pitiful. And they did crash and burn..That and the whole ’08 season was terrible, too.
Let's cut through the crap, Vaughn. I only got one thing to say to you: "Strike this mother f*cker out."
A GM isn’t held responsible for micro-failures (the inability to win single crucial games). He is held responsible for making sure that his team has the talent to potentially win, not just in the current year, but in the years to come. Cashman did that reasonably well from 1998 to 2007. During that entire time, we had the talent to win (but failed to put it away in the final games from 2001-2007). 2008 was pretty bad though, I admit.
The reason people are upset about this trade (especially us older people) is that it reminds us a lot of the 80s. During the entire decade, BigStein consistently auctioned off the Yankee future by trading prospects for over-the-hill stars and losing the Yankee draft pick spots by signing “big names” that turned out to be only mediocre. Every year, the goal was to win that year, and it never happened. It wasn’t until he got banned from baseball (ironically, for trying to correct one of his mistakes) that the Yankees finally turned it around and brought up some real home-grown players.
Because
of no pitching, geez John Friigin Lieber was out best starter in ’04 disaster!
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Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
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Stay thirsty my friends."
Ok lets put in perspective
A) We don’t trade for Lee and have one of the best rotations in baseball and a high ceiling hitting prospect with a slim chance of being our future catcher
B) We DO trade for Lee and have THE best rotations in baseball (most likely for the next 4 years) but no longer have a high ceiling prospect and have to possibly use another high level prospect to catch down the road
Either way the Yankees are in great position to piss everyone else off for half a decade
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
don't we already piss em off already
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Think they are pissed off now?
Imagine if the Yanks go on another WS winning streak?
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The majority of the complaints I see are that we're doing something like the Brewers did with CC
And betting the house on being able to win right now. Except you guys forget that, unlike the Brewers, the Yankees can afford to make a bet like that and still be competitive for many years to come. The franchise is strong enough to do this without as much risk as other teams would have.
The pious-ness levels would be over the roof
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
in the name of cervelli, montero and the hand of rivera
guide us through this turmoil
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+1
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." -Paul O'Neill
by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
they are not sure if Montero is going to be able to catch
on the big league level. If he is not able to catch on the big league level then there is no where for him to play…..so why not trade him.
Trade him for fun???
Teams make these trades to put him over the hump. The Yankees are so past the hump it is not even funny.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Is anyone standing at a podium anywhere to announce this thing yet?
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jul 9, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions
to think we were all joking about this weeks ago
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next thing they'll trade lee for oswalt lol
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Quiet
Clearly the Yankees read the comments here and think we’re being serious
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
then maybe they think we're genuises
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I'm still convinced this is all a big joke
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
true there is the chance that it won't happen
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although
with
1. CC
2. Lee
3. Pettite
4 burnett/hughes
i feel somewhat invincible in the play a la 98
go for the ring cashman!!!
don’t pull a mariners
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Stupid doctors office
I just got my blood taken out. A day even gets worse!
So now it’s up to Seattle? I’m seriously hoping they reject this trade
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
the Phillies give up on their season if they trade Werth
I don’t see that happening with A) the expectations they had going into this season and B) the fact that they aren’t out of it, and it’s not even the All-Star Break. I don’t think it’s likely they are giving up on their season. Rosenthal may have gotten something right- I’d be surprised after thinking about it if the Yankees get Werth.
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Posting from a bus...
Saw the news on my to upstate… I’m not happy. I wanted lee in the off season, or if we did the deal with phillies earlier but not now. I’m more annoyed about giving 3 prospects than just Jesus. Well at least this means we have 9 all stars in the game. Suck on that halosheaven!
by lololol on Jul 9, 2010 3:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
LOL +1
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
you would
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usually
people wagon to go to the better team.
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maybe not the Mets
I’ll be a Nationals fan, they’re close.
I can’t stand this crap..too friggin far this time.
Bye, Lee :(
No I agree with you
this is overkill. They don’t need to get every freaking All-Star available. It takes the fun out of it a little bit.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
thats overkill itself
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Yup
Just gotta make the Lee for Oswalt move and then it’s pretty much done
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the plan is get Lee
And try to trade Vazquez to the Phillies for Jason Werth!!!!
that is taking it to far
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if we're taking this far
might as well get ubaldo and pujols
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now you're killing
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They do need another bat in the line up.
Why not get him now. he is going to be in NY next year anyways.
OVERKILL
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
Unbelievable
for once I agree with Mike Francesa.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
That can set a dangerous precedent
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." -Paul O'Neill
by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee, just not sure for which team
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
while i think Seattle will be very happy with Montero.
it would be kinda bizarre to lee pitching against Ms tonight
Get Kobe
he’s the best closer in the game. Wade could be the 8th inning guy
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
If it's Hughes Vs Lee
I’ll be wonderfully pleased because it would mean this doesn’t go through. Even if Lee throws a perfect game against us, fine. I just don’t want this trade to get through.
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You guys are hilarious
I’m just taking a backseat to the Lee Drama that is PSA.
Bringing Absurdity to New Heights!
only one man can divide an SB this big
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I don't see as much division as I hoped.
It’s more like a few people like the notion and almost everyone else doesn’t.
Bringing Absurdity to New Heights!
i'll just be spectator
so get ya popcorns ready!!!
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Girardi should start cliff lee in the ASG Ina yanks uniform
For the lawlz
by lololol on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I guess you think it would be better for him to go to the Twins
And pitch against them in the playoffs
So now the Yankees are afraid of the Twins with Lee ? Now we look like puss*** and if that is why they got him they are.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Have faith there ricky
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd love it
Then once his starts are over we can feast on Pavano and Liriano
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
it will be 5 on 1 in that series then
4 1/2 with AJ
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People are acting like Lee has 5 rings
Everyone does remember that we still beat the Phillies with Lee last season right?
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Question
How do you know Hughes won’t go back to teh pen? He’s on an innings limit anyway, we need bullpen help, and he’s already shown he can be great there.
Maybe this is just me now wanting to get rid of Javy with how well he’s done lately, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Hughes finish the year in teh pen.
"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"
Just for this year.
Since he’s on an innings limit already.
"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"
then he'll be right back on an inning limit anyway
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
"Just this year" has been the talk for about 3 years
That’s how they ruined Joba! (joke)
Keep Hughes in the rotation
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You want to send the future ace of our staff
to the bullpen yea cause moving Joba around and messing with his head worked so well right. That is such a bad idea.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I think Hughes is stronger mentally and could deal with it better than Joba.
But still, I guess I know it’s a bad idea. I’m just looking for a way to keep Javy because I don’t see the point of adding Lee then getting rid of Javy right away when he’s been doing so well.
"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"
Nevermind Lee...
Jayson Werth is coming to the Yankees!!
The final piece we needed to win the World Series!!
OVER-KILL!!!!!
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might as well get ublado, maur, halladay, pujols, and holliday
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lincecum too
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Of course trading for Lee was viewed as ridiculous
only yesterday
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Breaking News
in an expanded deal, the this reporter has learned that Jack Z has rejected B. CAshmonay’s offer of 2 liter oz Pepsi and a Moose Burger for Chan Ho Park. Jack Z is quoted in saying ’ the price is too steep for this HO!’
stay tuned
Jack Z
wants a pork chop and Kim Jones included, then it’s a go.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
Cashman should have offered Kei Igawa instead
He’ll get endorsed in Seattle and all the Asian-American fans will adore him.
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I'm skeptical of even that lol
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
posted less than a minute ago on twitter
Joelsherman1 #Mariners backing off #Yankees offer, Post has learned. Does not look like #Yankees are in it.
by long time listener on Jul 9, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
also
Joelsherman1 #Mariners have turned in a different direction and #Yankees do not believe they are in it now (more to come)
by long time listener on Jul 9, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like they'll be regretting that later
The Mariners, that is
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank Cervelli
he must have heard our prayers.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
he wants his only begotten son a yankee
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The rain is letting up
The flood is over!
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently another team has jumped in "hard"
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
so it's over!!!!
we keep jesus
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final retweet
Joelsherman1 To repeat the #Yankees aren’t getting Cliff Lee, #Mariners concerned about David Adams ankle plus apparently another team has jumped in hard
by long time listener on Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
which team
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the Cavaliers
They have cap room now
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
so they can bounce back
respect to dan gilbert
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To repeat the #Yankees aren’t getting Cliff Lee, #Mariners concerned about David Adams ankle plus apparently another team has jumped in hard
I hope whatever other team jumped in
gets him by the end of the day so Lee doesn’t pitch against us today.
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Nope not the Mets
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Lebron James?
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
please say royals grienke needs company
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I hope its the Nationals
Imagine Strasburg-Lee-Wang-Zimmermann in the WS. I am gonna be scared.
Francesa said another team just topped the Yankees' offer....
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we have one in the office and one in the rotation
nice
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I bet you he was
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard that too
thank Cervelli. He deserves the utmost praise for everything that didn’t happen today
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MARINERS HAVE BACKED OFF, per Sherman
#Mariners backing off #Yankees offer, Post has learned. Does not look like #Yankees are in it.
Good
2:44pm (CST): The Mariners are backing off, according to Sherman. The Yankees believe they are no longer in the Lee sweepstakes, as the M’s have gone in another direction (all Twitter links). Sherman says ‘the Yankees aren’t getting Cliff Lee,’ since another team has entered discussions aggressively.
Also
these are the same reporters who were saying the deal was “imminent” a couple hours ago.
Until the final shoe drops…
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Now please Cashman
no more offers to trade Montero. Keep the guy please.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
He did the same thing when Roy Halladay was on the market to up the ante for other teams.
by Scooby Snacks on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be funny if Montero ends up being a bust.
Even more hilarious than this thread.
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it doesn't matter if he does or he doesn't
you don’t trade one of the best prospects in baseball unless you have to. The Yankees don’t need Lee. Why would they go and trade someone who could become a star for someone they don’t even need?
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
The way they were looking at it was
basically Lee and Werth for Javy and Montero and the other spects. How can anybody not make that deal?
I don't think Werth was ever that serious
Do you really think Amaro would be that dumb?
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Amaro isnt dumb, pitching wins titles
They need a pitcher more han Werth. Javy has been money in the NL. Phils already have Werth’s replacement waiting too.
He traded prospects on two different occasions
for elite pitchers within 6 mos., not exactly smart, and their minor league system is now hurting.
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It does matter
Because all of this will be for naught. That’s the thing with prospects. It’s the idea of “you don’t really know what you’re getting once they make it”.
I never believed this “deal” was serious, which is why I refrained from getting emotional either way.
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Well you brought it up
Clearly you were “trying” to prove some point…
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I was, as I always am, indifferent until anything is formally announced.
I like Grandy and I’m glad we got him.
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No idea, but tell that to everyone else here. :P
That’s why I just sat back and let the comments go a flyin’. It was hilarious how worked up everyone got.
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What is so bad about the deal?
It was just 2 months ago, you guys all wanted Javy DFA’d. Do I think we need Lee? No. But if Lee can be gotten for a 20 year old spect, why not? Everybody thinks its a done deal we get him after the season. What if he signs an extension wherever he goes? I dont care one way or another but its not the end of the world if we got the games best lefty.
And over an unproven prospect too
Nobody knows what Montero will be. Lee is the type of pitcher you go out and get, if a spect is the cost.
That's kind of the point I was trying to make.
We don’t know what this Montero kid will do. He might very well be the next “Arod” or something, or he might fade into obscurity. Anyway, unless something is formally announced, I don’t sweat it.
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They did this with AJax, they did it with Tabata
The Yankees spects are always a bit over hyped. And I’ll always go with Cashman who is in charge of a 200 million payroll over a couple of internet know it alls.
so you think cashman will push for oswalt now
i know i had to do it
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They have to since they lose Lee...
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
random conspiracy theory thought
Any chance the Yanks and the Ms colluded on this? That they got together to float Montero’s name so another team – a team the Yanks wouldn’t mind having Lee – would step up with an offer?
by long time listener on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Cashman probably played this up
I wonder who the team is though
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see the Yanks
doing that, M’s aren’t exactly in a strong bargaining position to do so.
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This is all steelerwheeler's fault
Cash only tried to make this deal because he read the fanpost that said he was going to be looking work if he didnt pull the trigger,lol
LOL YES
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
ANYONE NOT IN THE AL EAST!!!!
maybe the o’s but that’s it
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It's gonna be the Twins
I guarantee it
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i can deal with him there, we just need to kill liriano, and super mario then
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iwith our bats of course
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LeBron has convinced Cliff Lee to join him in Miami
“He’ll be bringing his talents to South Beach”
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Well see you in 6 months lee
He’s gonna end up in pinstripes one way or another
by lololol on Jul 9, 2010 3:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'd much rather have Montero than a 1st rounder
Primarily cuz I haven’t grown attatch to a 1st rounder yet.
Also we will get a 1st rounder for Vazquez.
Bingo
I’ll welcome him with open arms at that point
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And at that point
I will be ecstatic if they get him
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we need more preparation
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I've never been so happy a player is injured
although I think the “other team coming in” stopped those talks more than the injury did.
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LOL YES!!!!!!!
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
not "about" to walk
RUN AWAY FROM IT NOW BEFORE THEY RECHANGE THEIR MIND!
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Latest from MLBtraderumors
2:57pm: The Mariners didn’t accept the Yankees’ offer of Montero, Adams and a third prospect, so the Yankees may walk away from the discussions, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com
yay
now RUN AWAY AS FAST AS BRETT GARDNER CAN RUN
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oooh thats fast
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I’d really like to know who the other team with the bigger offer is and who they’re offering
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i'm betting not in our division
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Heyman just said Rangers possibly
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and didn't they just recovered after A-Rod's contract
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I could care less who gets Lee
If Lee isn’t offering me any money, then I don’t care.
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Or Swish for helping getting him into the ASG
Just waiting for my payday to come.
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I'd care if it was someone in our division
"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"
Well he could have been playing FOR us.
Don’t y’all want to play against the best?
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I am sure
MLB will be excited about that, since MLB is supplementing the Rangers at present!
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Joel Sherman doesn't know what team(s) are pursuing him yet
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This is true good sir
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't wait to see ridiculous player package is on the table
So excited for someone else to ruin their farm system for a rental
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions
+10
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Its about trying to win a championship
It nearly worked for the Phillies last year. The best lefty in the game is more valuable than a spect.
I would love the Sox to dump their farm system for him
and then still lose in the playoffs.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
Now Steve Phillips just said Texas can't add payroll
and now he’s suggesting Detroit and Minnesota
This is so confusing. I don’t care where he goes as long as he doesn’t go to the AL East, and I especially hope the Yankees talk doesn’t revive itself.
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Yeah I heard that as well
In all honesty this is just messed
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Dangling?
Figured you’d be full staff by now
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
taking longer then I thought...
i suppose the fit of rage I was in pre no deal is altering things down there
Bye, Lee :(
Steve Phillips is employed
biggest news of the day!
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OTM clearly just splooged all at once when they heard the news
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it shows the Yanks are legit to get him...at the very least.
offering Montero is no joke.
Lee is not dumb enough (or maybe he is?) to sign a contract now with his new team. Waiting till the offseason, then breaking the bank with the Yanks.
Bye, Lee :(
Yup, exactly.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep this shows the yanks are in the lee sweepstakes when FA strikes
I can’t. Wait for the 1 hour special on espn
by lololol on Jul 9, 2010 4:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they sent Isiah actually...lol
Walsh is too sick to fly I think, he was in a wheelchair for the Amare presser
Bye, Lee :(
I think Isiah got them Amare tho...
but it was probably going to the well one too many times..as usual with IT.
Bye, Lee :(
Seriously? Isiah?
He’s the reason I quit on the Knicks. If they put all their hopes on that idiot, no wonder…
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Watch mariners get crap for lee
Like all the others times he was traded. Yanks offered them the farm..glad mariners didn’t accept
by lololol on Jul 9, 2010 4:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Like when they wanted A-Jax for Washburn
lol, can’t blame them for trying
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
has he like those Red Sox fans here earlier
entered Imagination Land?
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They are going to hold an auction for the team
They cant add money, the Molina deal had to be a perfect money match. Unless thr Ms are going to pay Lee’s money, I cant see it happening.
haven't they learned after A-Rod
not to try and add people they can’t afford?
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Maybe they should get Oswalt!!!!
Just threw a 1 hit shutout (sarcasm)
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
Keep things in perspective
We won a World Series without having Cliff Lee.
We are 20+ games over .500 and the best record in the MLB without Lee.
So we’re fine, lee or no lee!
Lee would have given the Yankees a slightly better chance to win this year
but hanging on to Montero does 2 things. Gives them a better chance of winning in the future as well if he pans out, and allows them to keep a top prospect, who I’d be open to trading if they really needed someone.
The biggest problem I had with this is they don’t need Lee, but they were offering up Montero anyway. If they are in desperate need of a player and they need a top prospect like Montero to trade, by all means, trade him.
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oooo my my we have some drama
"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials
So if Lee is on the verge of getting traded...
wouldn’t it be wise for the M’s not to pitch him tonight?
I say we start a brawl if he pitches
Really screw the Mariners over
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope not
The best case scenario is he gets traded to the National League before the end of the day.
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Let's hope that's how they feel.
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From BloggingBombers
Source: “The Yankees are knee deep in this thing now, but there is no done deal.”
Same source: “It sounds like the Mariners want to get Lee traded before tonight’s game whether it’s the Yankees or not.”
no wonder lebron didin't go to new york
isaih’s an idiot
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Isiah is a fool no doubt but he got paid to wreck the Knicks
Dolan is the moron that kept him around
i think even before he sent Isiah
Dolan was the reason. Hell, Isiah is probably more sane and credible then Dolan.
Dolan’s a stuttering fool. Really wish the Knicks had a real owner
Bye, Lee :(
That whole organization has failed me.
It’s just hard to root for that team right now. I’m still pissed at the way they handled Patrick, forgive me.
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If that's the way they treat a man who's been around since forever...
…why they would go out of their way to build a decent franchise? I want to be a Knick fan again, but they ain’t making this easy for me.
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I gotta say tho
the current regime has a plan and is sticking to it. They got a real nice solid corps of young players now. They traded Lee, but Amare is a much better player then him.
The Knicks probably ain’t winning a chip this year, but Carmelo really wants to come to NY..and now its basically his for the taking.
I guess we’ll see if Melo is more of a man then the other guy.
Bye, Lee :(
he's resigning after the honeymoon
i’m hoping
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probably...
but I’m holding out hope that he knows that he can earn basically his NBA contract x5, probably more, if he’s the man in NY.
that 3/68 would look more like $400million for 3 years..let alone what he’d make FOR LIFE if he came to NY.
That billion the Knicks envisioned for LeBalls…well, Melo may not get that..but he could get close to half.
Bye, Lee :(
still though couldn't they have sent clyde instead
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Source continued: “…Every other team in baseball is supplementing the Rangers right now, so they have no business taking on Lee’s salary.”
by Monotonousblob on Jul 9, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lol Francesa just said the Mets "catch the ball"
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Poor Castillo
He’ll never catch that ball
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
There is so much going on with this trade
its hard to tell whats rumored and what actually happening
Latest
The Rangers are one of a few teams jumping back into the trade talks, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com
yeah they do they traded beasley to the land of ice
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An official of uninvolved team said that #Rangers now willing to put Justin Smoak in a deal for Cliff Lee. And don’t count out #Reds.
by Monotonousblob on Jul 9, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
who is justin smoak?
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
oh I see
well if they want to give up one of their best young players, so be it. I’m just glad the Yanks aren’t doing it.
I want him to get traded somewhere, fast. Because while he’s still on Seattle, the chance these talks revive remains.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
Montero hasn't been all that good in AAA either
but like Smaok, it’s still early for Jesus too, and he’s only 20.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
he's a decent 1b
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But then they would have Chapman just rotting in the minors with his huge deal
Plus they have Volquez coming back. Not sure how serious they’ll be in this
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
he'd be good there
be able to crack 100 more often only pitching 1-2 innings.
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That's a scary team if that happens
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Reds are a scary team?
who knew? Well at least Ohio has one team to be excited about.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
If you really looked hard at the Reds, you could see this coming
They’ve been building towards this for years.
Glad to see it too. My first baseball game was a Reds game so they’ve got a special place with me.
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the Reds
I like it when teams we never saw coming start competing (as long as it’s not in the AL East). I like that the Reds are winning now.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
Yep
Now I can wave my Reds foam finger around with pride, lol.
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care who he goes to on 2 conditions
1.) It’s not the AL East
2.) The team can’t afford to resign him
he won't resign anyway
he’s said all along he wants to get interest and test Free Agency.
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then the reds
ohio needs a pickme up right now
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These rumors are killing me.
Let me know when something is done already…
If Cashman was milking this too help the Mariners rip off another team…genius.
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by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 4:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
if he is
then he is the most fucking brilliant general manager in sports.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
exactly my thoughts
best case scenario is he goes to the NL, we only (possibly) face him in the WS and then get him a few weeks later for money and keep prospect.
Everyone wins
Latest
3:33pm: The Reds have spoken “extensively” with the Mariners about acquiring Lee in the past 48 hours, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (Twitter link). Price reports that the Reds are going “all-out” for Lee
for a split second
I thought I read “Red Sox” and my stomach turned over. But I didn’t.
I hope he goes to the Reds. Thats the best scenario.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
They have everything the Mariners want
a top prospect (Yonder Alonso)
a catcher prospect (Devin Mesoraco)
and pitching (Travis Wood, Matt Maloney, etc)
Wouldn't surpise me to Homer Bailey included in a deal
He just doesn’t seem to have a place on that team
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
YAY!!!!
let this be true and it will be a good day
No giving up Montero, and no facing Lee tonight, meanging we likely win tonight
thats what you call a Triple-Play-Win
true
I’d rather not have wasted most of my day ranting on here about Lee though. Thank God Jesus is staying.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
You should have done what I did and just took a step back.
My day was not wasted at all. I got to enjoy all of you ranting instead. That’s a win-win if ever there was one.
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LOL you're right
should have said thank Cervelli Jesus is staying.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
In other Yankees News
The Boston Globe says the Yankees have signed infielder Chad Tracy to a minor league contract.
None of the million Yankees sources have confirmed the report, so this may yet prove bogus. Tracy hit .250/.327/.395 in 44 at-bats with the Cubs this season. The Yankees could still use a real utilityman, but Trach isn’t a bad guy to have stashed away in Triple-A.
better move
I could stomach that
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
So if the Yankees had gotten Lee today, everybody would be that upset?
If Montero turned into the next Mauer, Yanks would just get him back anyway,lol
i just felt like this deal caught me by surprise
and after how we treated the Santana and Halladay trade it seemed very backwards
I bet Lee is pissed
Holy shit I am gonna with a WS ring with CC!!!
Cincinnati? I don’t even know what state that’s in
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions
does he have a no trade clause?
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
good
the last thing I want to hear is Lee rejecting a trade everywhere so the Yanks are Seattle’s only option.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
I'm good
just asking. And actually offering them a serious offer isn’t driving up the price. I think they seriously wanted him.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
If they couldve got Lee for that deal, they shouldve wanted to do it
Cashman might actually know some things about Jesus that the rest of us do not.
He's a bargaining chip......
A top prospect is worth more now, than if he flakes out into nothing when he comes up.
Not saying he will or not….. but if he did he’d be practically worthless to us
by Gangsta Yanksta on Jul 9, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I am aware
It is still Cincinnati. Their only claim to fame is Pete Rose and that radio station tv show
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You ask a baseball fan who Johnny Bench is and everyone knows
You ask someone who doesn’t know anything about baseball who he is and you will get a blank stare. Everyone knows Peter Rose.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Latest
3:41pm: The Mariners had concerns about Adams’ health and talks broke down from there, according to Olney (via Twitter). Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News points out that Smoak is not in the Rangers’ lineup tonight
Well at least you don't have to root for the Red Sox to beat the Yankees Bradshaw
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey got some possible Knicks news for ya
FisolaNYDN Reports are that the Knicks are close to a deal with Bobcats PG Raymond Felton. So much for waiting on Chris Paul or Tony Parker
as long its not the moon being offered
that’s good news.
CP3 was never gonna happen. And I think I like Felton better then Parker
Bye, Lee :(
faster maybe
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
good luck with felton
but i won’t count this would sway melo
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
we'll see and BEAT THE HEAT
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
let's hope Smoak gets in the Ms' eyes
by long time listener on Jul 9, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Good
Then Lee can look terrible in the summer Texas heat and drive his asking price down for this off-season
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I’ve just read this whole thread and have gone over a longish range of emotions :/ I’m just waiting for Lee to hit some place other than NY fast so I can relax again. And if Cash was just pushing up Lee’s price . . . what can I say? Man’s magnificent.
by pkyankeefan on Jul 9, 2010 4:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah
Kinda sad, but I wanted to mope. And I don’t know anyone irl who follows baseball. Not moping anymore though! Bless you, David Adams (and the Reds).
by pkyankeefan on Jul 9, 2010 5:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
done deal?
or “close to done”?
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
Yeah saw that too
per Joel Sherman
"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"
Rangers???
http://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/18146863787
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
This deal is going to cause an uproar
Baseball is paying to keep the Rangers going, and they are taking on salary.
LOL
They are having bigger rants than we did over there now. Looks like Rangers fans aren’t too pleased either.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
at Lone Star Ball I mean
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
I bet none of the other MLB owners are happy about this
since they’re all paying for the Rangers to even exist in the league at this point.
Trading their talented kids
to a division rival for half a season with virtually no hope of resigning Lee past 2010? Yeah. I would be pissed too.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how
they think that now that they have Lee as their ace, they can win the World Series! That made me laugh.
Yes, there is a very real chance we could win the World Series this year
I’ll take a world title for a bit of a mortgage on the future.
by WestTxAg06 on Jul 9, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
true
do you think they have a real shot at beating any of the other contenders in the AL this year, much less who they might face in the WS? Angels, Red Sox, Rays, Yankees, Tigers, Twins, White Sox?
I’m not saying it’s impossible, just saying they’re by no means favorites to win anything just because they acquired Cliff Lee.
They have an offense is as good as anyones
Lee pitching two games in a 5 game series is scary no matter where he is. The Phils didnt have great pitchers behind Lee either. Blanton, Hamels, Pedro? The Rangers have comparable garbage.
again, true
but like the WS last year, if Lee is the only one the Yankees can’t beat in a 7 game series, we can and probably still will win the other 4 games he’s not pitching.
As long as it’s not the Yankees facing the Rangers in the first round, it’s not a concern. And even if they do face him in the first round, it’s still a 3-2 series in favor of the Yankees, if Lee is the only Ranger pitcher the Yankee batter’s can’t hit.
It’ll be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out in the AL West now. With the 1st place (at the moment) Rangers acquiring Lee and the Angels within a reasonable distance (only 5.5 games back).
TheYankeeU
Folks, we are still better than Texas, he didnt go to Minny or TB, we keep Montero, and he is certain to be a FA. this is great stuff.
about as good as we could have hoped for I think
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
Not "imminent"
this time?
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
Short of auto-erotic asphyxiation are you ever happy?
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He might just be busy
Hanging from his closet door with a sock in his hand
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Now we can trade Montero for a middle reliever, where we need help
I kid
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
I say deal him for Jeff Samardzija
He’ll really be something once he stops sucking at baseball
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a football player. You know who else was a football player? Erstad.
Nuff said.
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
Hey, I'm an ND fan
Loved Samardzjia when he was there. Don’t blame him for going in to baseball, but he was a better receiver. You need more than an overpowering fastball make it in MLB
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Strausberg then Oswalt
to pitch teh 8th
by Monotonousblob on Jul 9, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
k now it's over
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
And I'm waiting for Dan Gilbert's
Man, that was just . . . wild. But honest and funny.
by pkyankeefan on Jul 9, 2010 5:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lee's making $10 mn this year, correct?
by pkyankeefan on Jul 9, 2010 5:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
4 million left remainder
of the season, pluss what M’s are thrwong in for cash. Good, not Minn.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
Hey Montero
Your bacon just got saved. Start throwing people out and hitting like the monster you are supposed to be otherwise you may be DHing for the Royals one day.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions
why?
Montero could still be traded..you know, if the Yankees actually have a HOLE on the team.
Bye, Lee :(
Why
he is in AA, what does he have to be upset about?
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
did joel sherman's last tweet just dissapear?
i can’t find the rangers-concluded-trade tweet anymore
it turned out better for the yanks anyway
But man, Jack Z played Cashmonay like a fiddle on this one. I am think Cash won’t take this slap in the face so easily, he is assembling an assassin squad to take out Jack Z.
Cash's overall rep is pretty safe, based on the results he's got thus far.
despite the trolls and naysayers around these parts.
so far he's a magnificent bastard pulling this off
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
well, cash was gonna sweeten the deal by sending over Suzyn Waldman, but Jack Z wanted kim jones instead
playing hardball, jeessh
breaking his balls here jack
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
Win win win
Don’t give up Zmac and Montero, Lee goes to a team that is iffy for the playoffs, chance for him in free agency in a few months anyway.
I don't see the Angels catching up to them now
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm rooting for it now.
Also, the Angels started badly last year, and made the ALCS. (Thanks, Papelbon!)
I like the Rangers a helluva lot more than the Angels
I hate their team. I hate their stupid rally monkey. I hate Rev Halo and his blog of r-tards.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 9, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Me either
without Morales in lineup
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
This is a blessing
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." -Paul O'Neill
Hank's drafting a letter to Lee in Comic Sans font as we speak
by pkyankeefan on Jul 9, 2010 5:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
in his hiding place in epcot or adventureland
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
no we're still facing him
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
Hope the Yankees can get back in there and get Lee!
"I'd like to thank the Good Lord for making me a Yankee." Joey D
by Nintendo vs Sega on Jul 9, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
Make the deal Cash!
"I'd like to thank the Good Lord for making me a Yankee." Joey D
by Nintendo vs Sega on Jul 9, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
Strictly free agency in a few months after the season.
But we’ll be in the hunt.
too late it's done
thank god
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
Taken from another forum
Kinda feel bad for laughing
The guy that fell off the upperdeck is the new owner. When they came to visit him in the hospital, he requested Lee.
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, he had a Head injury...
he was talking about bruce Lee
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
No it's not. It was a done deal with the Yankees an hour ago
Nothing is official
"I'd like to thank the Good Lord for making me a Yankee." Joey D
by Nintendo vs Sega on Jul 9, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
but we're still facing him though, right?
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
I'll fly out there now to help pack his bags
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm in!!
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
awsome, got the tickets
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
you buy peanuts
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
Duh?
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
It's official
The nightmare is over
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 9, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
from heyman
SI_JonHeyman
texas pulls quite a coup. get lee for smoak and another prosp. sea pays $
interesting conclusion. if yankees was forreal (which i doubt) seattle would have gotten such a deal
HH is crapping their pants LOL
Suck it revhalo
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." -Paul O'Neill
cashman is one smart SOB lureing texas
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
absolutely.
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." -Paul O'Neill
by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it 100% fact that Lee is a Ranger?
Because I will cry if its another stinkin’ rumor.
"Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?"
by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 5:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He's already been traded
It’s final.
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." -Paul O'Neill
by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
HH could count this by getting
kei igawa, the forgotten one, you don’t want him to take off those shades. those stares are daunting!
They've been known to turn others to stone
LOL
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." -Paul O'Neill
by Chris McKeown on Jul 9, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhere, Lord Duggan is thanking his lucky stars!
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." -Paul O'Neill
Not the end of the world, better they don't have to face him tonight.
Sign him in December. The other owners can’t be happy though, they’re money is going to pay Lee in Texas.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Jul 9, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
I was looking
forward to Ian Snell myself
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
Thank goodness he isn't a Yankee.
Not for the price that we offered.
I still think Cashman was milking it, there’s no way the Mariners would walk from that deal.
"Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?"
by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 5:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Cash
is not that omniscient, nor is any other GM in the same position. He knew they were out!
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
I thank Cervelli for him not being a Yankee
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
you clearly don't visit PSA that often
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
rule # 1in PA: cervelli = GOD
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
I would love for Lee to be a Yankee
Juist not for that price.
"Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?"
by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he will be next year
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
I would love for him to be a Yankee after this season
I just don’t like having to give up prospects for him when they never needed him.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
My thoughts exactly
Not Montero and ZMac. Noo thanks.
Another thing I was thinking, if we did try Javy for Werth, where would he go?
If he replaced Grandy, we would have wasted Ajax…
"Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?"
by Gelatin on Jul 9, 2010 5:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
as long as we
don’t talk about Lebruuuuuun
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
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