Alex Anthopoulos is Insane & Roy Oswalt is Good at Baseball
by jscape2000 on Jul 28, 2010 9:17 AM EDT
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After the Diamondbacks asked for Chamberlain to be part of a Dan Haren deal, a source who has knowledge of what the Blue Jays want for lefty reliever Scott Downs said Toronto requested Chamberlain.
When the Red Sox contacted the Blue Jays about Downs, Toronto asked for highly regarded infield prospects Casey Kelly or Jose Iglesias.
I think Downs would be a great addition to the pen. He'd easily be the best lefty relievers the Yankees have had since the first time Mike Stanton was in the Bronx.
But a 23-year-old, cost controlled pitcher (even one with all of Joba's issues) for a 34-year-old lefty in the last months of his contract?
It might be a quiet trade deadline if the price for Downs and Oswalt doesn't drop.
Speaking of the Astro's ace, he's clearly the best pitcher available, but available is a relative term because the Astro's GM wants the moon for the RHP (4! MLB ready or top flight prospects). But I was listening to the 4 letter network as I got ready this morning, and they had a reporter for some newspaper or other speculating that the Yanks and Cards are the two teams Oswalt would waive his no-trade for without his $16M option for 2012 being picked up.
This speculation is, of course, the exact opposite of what we've heard in the last few days suggesting Oswalt might not want to play in New York at all.
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Its like shopping for a new car
If you don’t like the price you negotiate…
So actually Alex isn’t insane as you suggest, he’s just the car salesman who is trying to fleece Cashman….its not personal
No, I totally understand negotiating. But demands are going to have to drop a long way before either the Sox or Yanks pay that price.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Exactly
I’m not going to ask $45,000 for my 2005 Toyota Corolla that has 95,000 miles on.
Everybody wants to fleece everybody, but you have to do so without making people think you live in some crazy alternate universe.
yea...
Downs ain’t gonna happen. I dunno who the hell said the Yanks and Stockings were the front runners…maybe it was the Jays themselves? The guy is a bit more then a LOOGY, but a glorified LOOGY at that. He may be a bit better then Marte, but not entiredly by a lot.
Maybe they’re talking about him as a FA? That would make some sense actually….
Oswalt is a good pitcher, NL, AL, PCL, IL or whatever L you want. He’s good. The Stro’s don’t want to give him up, is what they’re basically saying.
I think the Yanks will have another quiet deadline, there’s no David Justice out there, nor is one needed. No big names needed.
Go New York Go!
DOWNS LOL
That’s hilarious.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
Downs' price will come down
Toronto will be fools if they keep him when he’s just gonna walk in a few months
Going for #28
Agreed
He is of no good usage to them.. they can’t come back in the AL East to make the playoffs. They just don’t have the tools to compete with NY, BOS, TB
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 28, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Pitcher?
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Jul 28, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
But will he pull a Rick Ankiel in a few years?
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 28, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah
Rick Ankiel was pitching more like Ricky Vaughn at the end, amazing to come back to the majors as an outfielder. It wouldn’t be a bad bat off the bench either?
"It's a shame that it happened that way for Coghlan," Girardi said.
"A.J.'s had a lot of practice at it and seems pretty efficient at it".
Left unsaid by Girardi is, "I wish he could become that efficient on the mound".
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Fear not. The NY Times says that Aceves is actually close to his return to the big club.
by designatedquitter on Jul 28, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
THANK CERVELLI
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 28, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really close. He’s one bullpen session away from starting the rehab assignment.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Let's just pray he doesn't reinjure the back...
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Jul 28, 2010 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what
I thought too, somebody else on here this week said will be back this week, not!
"It's a shame that it happened that way for Coghlan," Girardi said.
"A.J.'s had a lot of practice at it and seems pretty efficient at it".
Left unsaid by Girardi is, "I wish he could become that efficient on the mound".
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Some actual insider information here -
Sunday at the stadium, I was chatting with the guy sitting next to me, who related a story told to him by his mother a few days earlier. She was seated on the subway next to a man who she determined in subsequent conversation to be a lower-ranking member of the Yankees front office. Apparently, as she sat down, she overheard parts of a phone conversation discussing “Roy’s” no trade clause and the Yankees. According to this conversation (third-hand), Oswalt is privately completely unwilling to play for the Yankees. In fact, he’s told his club he’ll ONLY waive his no-trade clause for St. Louis (it’d make sense that the Astros would try their best to keep this quiet).
Now, this isn’t the most reliable info, but I wouldn’t bet on seeing Oswalt in Pinstripes.
I’ve heard similar things in the media- see the link.
I’ve nothing against the guy if he doesn’t want to move half way across the country and into the AL. He earned his NTC, and that’s his right.
I just find the media coverage/ front office hype to get the Yankees in on every trade annoying.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Agreed on the media coverage...
Am I the only one who really doesn’t see the need to trade for a major starter? Pettitte’s always quick to recover from injury, Burnett doesn’t really concern me (maybe that’s irresponsible of me, but he can turn in a stellar start so easily sometimes, it seems – I’ll admit I don’t have the first clue what goes on with that guy), Hughes is just showing mid-season fatigue typical of a young starter. The makings of a dominant post-season rotation are there and then some without Haren or Oswalt. Lee is such a singular talent that a trade may have been worth it for him, but otherwise, I don’t know….
A veteran reliever, or a power bat off the bench, on the other hand….
by jeeptheheap on Jul 28, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't surprise me
Oswalt has never come across as a big market kind of guy, he likes the quiet life and having privacy, something that doesn’t come with being in New York. At this point I don’t see him moving, the Cards don’t have the prospects necessary to satisfy the Astros(who are asking for the world apparently).
As for Downs, I like him, I think he’d be a good addition to the bullpen but it looks like the Jays are going to be difficult to make a deal with and if anything gets done with him to any team, I bet it happens just a few hours before the deadline.
Forget Oswalt & Downs... Joba + others for Soria
Joba + others in minors for Soria is the trade to make.
Make it happen Cash
by YANKEES FOREVER on Jul 28, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
Soria doesn't want to come to NY.
not gonna happen.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It won't
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Jul 28, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Soria obviously wants to keep closing, hence his no-trade clause involving the Yankees.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
He just wants to make sure he has the chance at a lot of money if he’s going to be traded to the Yankees.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
It would be absurd
to pick up Oswalt’s contract since it is worst than Haren’s, frankly tired of hearing about Oswalt. Let him stay with those perennial losers, and I am not overly excited about Downs pitching under the bright lights either. The longer you wait while the clock ticks, better chance of getting someone, and there are always deals after July 31st.
"It's a shame that it happened that way for Coghlan," Girardi said.
"A.J.'s had a lot of practice at it and seems pretty efficient at it".
Left unsaid by Girardi is, "I wish he could become that efficient on the mound".
Downs has been horrible
against the Yankees, Red Sux, and Rays. It’s our chief rivals, the Sux and Rays that we would need him to be most successful against and they kill him. Don’t want him.
yeah the jays aksed the Red Sox
for Kelly and Iglesias.
Not happening
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 28, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
the Red Sox would turn down the Cardinals if they offered Pujols, Rasmus and Wainwright for Casey Kelly
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
even holliday?
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Why has Iglesias only played 40 games this season?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jul 28, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You honestly think he thought the Yankees would say yes? It’s called door in the face technique people; Psych 101.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
If there’s one thing Cashman has shown in the last few seasons, when he gets the door in the face, he walks away. This was how he handled trade proposals for Sabathia, Lee and Halladay, and he handled Johnny Damon’s demands as a FA the same way.
He knows that, as the Yankees, he always operates from a unique position- the specter of the Yankees is so often used to drive up the cost to other teams, that Cash tries not to get involved in the rumor mill.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Agreed!
Well said. The media and every selling GM wants the Yanks involved. The greatest triumph of Cashman has been his success in turning the Yanks into a smartly run team rather than a loudmouthed and wasteful team.
I would hate to see
a team you would actually classify as wasteful and loudmouth.
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