Around the Yankee Galaxy: Joba flattered but wants to stay
by Travis G on Jul 25, 2010 3:00 AM EDT
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PrintJoba Chamberlain is flattered to be a demand in the deal for Dan Haren -
It's actually kind of an honor. It means some team actually thinks you're pretty good...
[But] this is the only team I've ever known. As a player, you want to stay.
What he's saying is that the Yankees have a much better chance than the Arizona Diamondbacks to win games.
- Joe Girardi's price tag just went up with the announcement of Lou Piniella's retirement. The Yankees will have to vie to retain his services -
You can be sure that Girardi will use the Cubs' looming managerial opening as leverage in negotiations with the Yankees this winter. But would he seriously consider leaving his prestigious job to go home and try to do the impossible - win a championship with the Cubs?
... At the very least, it's going to cost the Yankees a lot more to sign him now than it would have had they given their manager an extension after he won the World Series last year.
If Girardi does decide to leave, who would you want as the next manager? Tony Pena? Long or Eiland? Someone from outside the organization?
- Jesus Montero left last night's game in the second inning after being hit in the wrist by a pitch. Luckily it's just a bruised forearm - he's day-to-day.
- A black armband has been added to Yankee uniforms to honor Ralph Houk, who died at 90 on Wednesday. The band is below Bob Sheppard's patch on the left sleeve. That's three patches in two weeks, not a good thing.
- Acid reflux + pork chops = no GGBG. Brett Gardner ate pork chops on Friday and missed Saturday's game because of it. He's supposed to be in today's lineup.
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Girardi is an alright manager i suppose
but his consistent use of the negative WPA sac bunt is infuriating, and with the talent on the Yankees roster he could be easily replaced without our winning ways being effected
I kind of agree.
I like Girardi and you don’t necessarily want to mess with success but I wouldn’t be too upset if we lost him. I guess it would be unfortunate if the Cubs start a bidding war. I truly think Girardi would much rather stay here. He’s such a media and fame whore that he wouldn’t want to give up the Pinstripes for his long-term career and Legacy and the opp’s that come with it.
If we do lose him I would be comfortable with Pena or Mattingly if he’s not handed the Dodger’s (is that a done deal the Torre’s retiring and Mattingly has the gig?). I would NOT want Valentine. I like him – I just don’t see him as Yankee skipper.
by PinstripedHippie on Jul 25, 2010 9:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it sucks to sell low on Chamberlain...
but honestly, what is the most we can expect out of Joba? will he ever be as valuable as Dan Haren(whose contract is actually really team friendly)? and Nova/McCallister are nice but they are nothing more than number 5 starters at best
Dan Haren's not selling low
Especially for a guy who the Yankees have no intention of ever in a role that provides value.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jul 25, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I stil think its early to give up on Joba.....How about not giving up anymore young guys....
And I say the yanks should play a little hardball with joe….Not to be cheap…but come on…the Cubs…not much of a threat….
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Jul 25, 2010 7:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
a few thoughts
1 – I agree w/ Bobby V for coach if Girardi is dumb enough to bolt for the cubbies
2 – One thing i loved about Cash was that he wanted to get younger….and young arms are where its at. We need to hang on to some of these kids and see what they are capable of.
3- Joba is still only 24 yrs old
4- The Granderson trade has been a major bust. Jackson has been playing well (.312 ave.) and Phil Coke (5-1, 2.45 era) is exactly the player we are trying to trade for! Grandy has been on the decline the last 3 years and i see no reason to think its gonna change. What happened to this 30+ hr he was supposed to have in yankee stadium?
5- Lee will look good along side CC, AJ, AP and PH next year
Haren
Haren is a no brainer – He would be our 3rd SP for the playoffs. He has already proven to win in the AL too. Joba is no Dan Haren. Yes Harens’s contract is perfect as it does not handcuff us for 6 years. I do this deal yesterday.
Lee or Haren
Lee’s price tag with the years is too much for me compared what we can get Haren for NOW.
Yes Lee is better now than Haren – but when you put them both onthe yanks it does not equate to many more wins and lee’ contratc compared to Haren’s will be night and day.
good points - quite convincing
I like Joba and I would be sad to see him go. But how much of that is simply emotion? Getting Haren would clearly be a great pick-up for this year and even more so for next and beyond when there may be no Pettitte and who knows what might happen with the others.
I would love for Joba to become a dependable, meaningful, important piece of the Yankees – such as a lights-out set-up guy, a closer or a starter. But is it worth trading that possibility (which might be ~50% at this point) for the probably more certain prospects of what you would expect from Haren as a starter over the next few years? Maybe.
by PinstripedHippie on Jul 25, 2010 9:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is as much as reply to Brian5517209's
“It sucks to sell low on Chamberlain now, BUT…” comment as it is to ABMantle’s.
by PinstripedHippie on Jul 25, 2010 9:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the thing is...Haren's price should be low...
yea, he’s signed for a while, but largely he’s kinda stunk this year. If they wanna move him that bad, why not offer just prospects who’s value is a bit higher then it should be (like say…Nova).
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 25, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
emotion and pom pom waving does seem to be in vogue on PA with certain folks, which means some can’t see the trees from the forest. (Not talking about you PH).
"I felt completely out of whack... Once again, I didn’t give our team a chance out of the gate."..
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by Great Gatsby on Jul 25, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I would take Lee
There is only a handful of elite pitchers, he happens to be one of them, Yanks have the $$$.
Besides no propsects to be traded, exactly how many “big” games has Haren pitched in?
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by Great Gatsby on Jul 25, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Lee was DOMINATE in the playoffs and WS last year….Haren-i don’t think he’s ever sniffed the playoffs. Especially w/ CC having a possible out in his contract after next year, we are going to need some of these young prospects to start to step in. Young pitching is nearly impossible to find b/c when a team has a talent, they lock them up (King Felix, Verlaander, etc). Keep Joba, see what these kids have (maybe long relief in bullpen, dump Gaudin and Mitre). We need to get younger to keep up w/ the Rays who have great young starters.
Haren in big games
He made 2 postseason starts for Oakland in 2006. He pitched well (6 ip, 2 er) in the LDS vs. Minnesota earning the win. He pitched mediocre (5 ip, 3 er) in the ALCS vs. Detroit and got a no decision. He also pitched some out of the pen with St. Louis in 2002.
It’s too little evidence to make any kind of judgment on. There are very few pitchers who actually have enough of a postseason track record to make any kind of assessment on. Even Cliff Lee, as great as he was last year, it was only 1 postseason. Roy Halladay has NEVER pitched a big game. Would you not want him?
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jul 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep
I would.
"I felt completely out of whack... Once again, I didn’t give our team a chance out of the gate."..
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by Great Gatsby on Jul 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course
Halladay is in the elite category, so is Lee, Haren is more in Tier 2 of good pitchers,
and not as good as his days in Oakland.
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by Great Gatsby on Jul 25, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep Joba
He’s going to go back to his fantastic ways, just wait and see.
Acid reflux is the worst, I’ve had it for 7 years now, and when its kickin, it is one of the most painful experiences. Cudos to GGBG for making the effort to play a couple innings.
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by Gelatin on Jul 25, 2010 9:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
not for long turkey
JOBA is too inconsistent and eradicable --
I love pork chops....
gotta have the ones with the bone in, or else they don’t really task like much. BBQ sauce, a cold one (or 3), maybe some grilled corn on the cob. Boom.
Keep Joba BTW. Kinda dumb to sell so low on him.
Go New York Go!
Funny tid bit of info....
I just looked up what Dan Haren’s name would be in Spanish…turns out its “Javier Vazquez”.
Amazing what an American name and not pitching for the Yankees one fateful year would do for people’s perception of a player.
Go New York Go!
lol
and Javier was what, 3rd in CY Young vote last year pitching in much more difficult national league east? sell sell sell on Haren.
did you really just say
that the National League East is more difficult than the American League East?
I think he meant than Haren’s/D-Back’s div
by PinstripedHippie on Jul 25, 2010 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Girardi's not going anywhere
I hope Joba doesn’t go for Dan Haren. The Yankees bullpen is already in a tough state right now. Joba actually has been one of the better guys in there, and he’s going to get better this year than he was in the first half. Put that with the fact that he has a lot of upside and I don’t see how it makes sense to trade him away.
The Yanks need a reliever. Thats why I’m all for going after Scott Downs as long as it doesn’t cost a high-end prospect. But they don’t need a starter- especially if Andy is ahead of schedule. And if they get one, it doesn’t need to be an ace that involves giving up Joba, Hughes, or any high end prospects in the minors. Bring in a reliever and maybe a bat off the bench, and go for the second half run.
"I'm looking at 600 as first base. I want to run right through it and use it as a platform and a spring board for more to come"- Alex Rodriguez
Right On... Keep Joba unless we can get Soria... no need for a starting pitcher now
AP will be back sooner than expected; Forget Haren and focus on Lee in the off season.
With CC, AJ, AP & JV as SPs in the post season we will be fine. Haren is not the answer.
Agree we need a versatile position player with a decent bat off the bench and a decent reliever such as Downs or League out of the pen. Dump Mitre
by YANKEES FOREVER on Jul 25, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is everybody stuck on Lee?
We don’t need to add a starter like Lee who is going to add another big contract and tie up more money. Pettitte may come back and if not we can give one of the youngsters in the minors a shot. We need relief help now, but as far as next season I hope we go for an outfielder.
Well
I think made their feelings known what they are they are going to do in the offseason
already. If they were willing to trade their best bat in the minors for Lee now, dosen’t
it make perfect sense for them to go after him hard in the offseason when it will only cost money. You have NJ, JV, AP (if he retires) coming off the books, and CC can opt out
after next season if he chooses to (although I doubt it, not getting that money elsewhere).
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by Great Gatsby on Jul 25, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
gonna need Mitre in the pen.....
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 25, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL @ Brett Gardner
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
LOL @ Jacoby Ellsbury! and Dustin Pedroia and Victor Martinez and Jason Varitek!
Seriously, why are you laughing at someone with a medical condition? It’s really not funny if you have acid reflux.
We don’t laugh at your guys with injuries, don’t laugh at ours with medical conditions.
OK, you can laugh at Nick Johnson because we all do too, but that’s it!
I'm laughing
at the fact it was pork chops.
And yes, I laugh at Nick Johnson
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 25, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Johnson is a saint!
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 25, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
YANKEE MANAGER
BE CAREFUL PEOPLE WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT PERSONS OUTSIDE THE ORGANIZATION. NEED I REMIND YOU THAT DON MATTINGLY MAY BE THAT PERSON. WE COULD DO A HELLUVA LOT WORSE, BELIEVE ME.
your caps lock is broken
Oh, and not to throw any logic on your well presented statement, but Mattingly isn’t that “outside the organization” as he was with the Yankees up until Girardi was hired, so he has a history as a player and a coach just not as a manager for the Yankees.
Please don't tell me that's actually the reason GGBG missed yesterday's game...
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
Acid reflux is extremely painful sometimes.
I give him props for lasting even a couple innings.
"Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?"
by Gelatin on Jul 25, 2010 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying it isn't painful
It’s just very… strange to hear about that being the reason.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Jul 26, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It's either Lee or Haren
Given our 2011 obligations (including big raises for Cano and Hughes), and the desire not to increase payroll past $200-210, the Yankees are going to have room for one major FA addition, unless they can also get Jeter to take a big paycut and trade one of their starters.
Right now, the math looks like AP+JV ($24 million) = CL (Let’s say $20-22 million), for a rotation of CC, CL, AJB, PH, ???.
Throw Haren into the mix, and he’s basically replacing JV’s money next year, for a rotation of CC, DH, AJB, PH, AP(?). However, it would also mean lots of money left over to sign Carl Crawford (AP’s salary, + a Granderson trade?).
Also, picking up Haren is only going to mean moving Vazquez for prospects, to try and balance the books.
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