More Assorted Thoughts About The Yankees
Bear with me here, I'm going to ramble a lot in this post. Here are some thoughts about the Yankees.
-Why did anyone think Sergio Mitre would do better than he did in his start today? As I said, and many agreed and disagreed with, Mitre was not prepared enough for this start. It showed. Now that the Yankees called him up and put him in the rotation, it's not possible to redo it. They either keep sending him out there or put him in the bullpen. The start didn't matter too much and they can afford to keep him in the rotation, but if you want the best option, it's putting him in the pen.
-Joba Chamberlain has been rumored to be in a possible trade for Dan Haren. Rumors are swirling everywhere, but the one rumor that really seems to be echoed throughout baseball is that if the Yankees give up Joba they can get it done. Justin Louis Chamberlain should not be traded. (Wanted to use his full name now that I read his biography in the Yankees media book I got last night) His value is at it's lowest and if he picks it up and figures things out he can be a very valuable player out of the bullpen.
-If the Yankees must trade Joba, however, the best place to trade him would be Arizona. If the Yankees send him to an American League team, or a team they might see in the World Series sometime, and he figures it out, they will regret it. We wouldn't see much of Joba in Arizona.
-The Yankees need some more outfield help with Gardner and Swisher having problems and Granderson struggling. What purpose does Juan Miranda actually serve on this roster? Does he strike fear in opponents as a power bat off the bench? No. While six outfielders may be a bit much, the Yankees should try trading for a utility guy (as they are doing) like last year in Jerry Hairston Jr./Eric Hinske. For now, Chad Tracy should be playing more time in the outfield in the minors, if not be called up as an extra 1B/3B/OF off the bench.
-With the Yankees looking at Johnny Peralta and Wes Helms as utility options, they should also try to acquire Jose Bautista from the Blue Jays, or Rusty Ryal of the Diamondbacks. Jose Bautista is a perfect fit in my opinion. Bautista leads the MLB in homeruns and plays both 3B (to spell A-Rod from time to time) and the OF. The only problems are his batting average as a pinch hitter in his career, (.152) his batting average overall in his career (.238) and the facts that Toronto will ask for a lot for him and may not want to trade within the division.
-That brings me to Rusty Ryal. Ryal plays 1B, 2B, 3B, and the OF and is currently on the Diamondbacks. Jscape brought the idea up yesterday of having him be a throw in in a possible Dan Haren trade (a la Boone Logan in the Javier Vazquez trade) and I think it's very smart. Ryal will not be the type of guy that's a big name or a big bat, but he can play the field, hit fairly well, and he comes cheap. There's no harm in getting rid of him if the Yankees find someone better.
-The Yankees do not need to trade for Dan Haren, but if they can it would be great. The one thing that the Yankees should not do is trade both Ivan Nova and Zach McAllister for Haren. The Yankees would be trading their top minor league pitching depth in one trade. If someone gets hurt again like with Pettitte, the Yankees would be in the same situation they are now, but worse.
-Finally, the Yankees made the wrong choice in sending down Jonathan Albaladejo and leaving pitchers like Chad Gaudin and Dustin Moseley on the roster. The move is understood, that Girardi needed Moseley on the roster in case Mitre faultered, and the fact that Gaudin was coming off of a solid outing, but that's even more reason to get rid of Gaudin. Gaudin has no options left, while Albaladejo does.That is also understood. Still, Albaladejo is the better pitcher and when it comes down to it that should always be the deciding factor.
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KEEP JOBA!
"Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?"
by Gelatin on Jul 24, 2010 5:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Interesting Thoughts. Responses below.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
-I did think that starting Sergio was the right move. What would have been the response if they had called up Nova and he had failed while the option of Sergio was right there? I think there would be even more second guessing in that scenario.
-Giving up Joba, ZMac, Nova and another player would be too much for Haren. However if the three could get them Haren and they could successfully replenish their system in a Javy trade then go for it. That being said, replenishing the system is the only way I could agree with the trade since they don’t really NEED Haren.
-I’m not really sure why Miranda’s hanging around either. He hits the occasional HR but that’s about it. I’m sure they could find a better bench player somewhere. Hell, maybe trade Cleveland try to give Shelley Duncan another try? I don’t know. Wes Helms and Rusty Ryal do seem like interesting options though. I highly doubt Bautista would be a player they could get . He’s a starter, I don’t think he would be so keen on losing his starting job. I don’t think he’s had an opportunity to really cash in on free agency yet, he’d probably be looking to do that.
-I can see how the decision to send Alby back down was tricky, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s back up here very soon. I don’t think they can justify keeping both Gaudin and Moseley for too much longer.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
by greatscott723 on Jul 24, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Responses to your responses
-I disagree, Mitre is a valuable guy out of the pen, especially with the longmens struggles (not of late, however) Might have been kept in minors to showcase him
-They wouldn’t give up the three of those in the trade, it might be Joba/Nova or McAllister/Nova not the three combined
-I’d love to give Shelley another try, but that’s only because he his a personal favorite. Don’t think anyone else wants him. Not high on Helms, agree on Bautista, but that isn’t up to him.
-Agreed that Albaladejo will be up again soon, but can’t happen for 10 days
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Shelley Duncan hit a 2-run homer today against David Price
Just sayin’
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
by greatscott723 on Jul 25, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm all for the Yankees getting him
He was one of my favorite Yankees. Just don’t think the team thinks that way
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I told you already
Rivera for Lowell.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
Keep un that sort of dreaming.....
….and you’re going to wake up with a hand full of man goo.
Sighs...
"I felt completely out of whack... Once again, I didn’t give our team a chance out of the gate."..
I am Allan James Burnett, and I approve this message.
Why the sigh, guy?
Had to keep up the rhymes, but seriously why the sigh
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Yes, keep Joba absolutely.
You don’t sell low, that’s how you get rear ended (see: those that want to trade Granderson) in a trade.
Go New York Go!
Don't trade Granderson either
Thought that went without saying
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you'd think it would.....
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 24, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Grandy
He gone.
"I felt completely out of whack... Once again, I didn’t give our team a chance out of the gate."..
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by Great Gatsby on Jul 24, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yup he's gone TO THE SECOND DECK!!! SEEE YA! A GRAND SLAM, FROM CURTIS GRANDERSON, AND THE YANKEES LEAD X-Y
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LIKE THOSE CAPS
DO YOUSELF A FAVOR< CHECK HIS STATS SINCE ’ 07!
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by Great Gatsby on Jul 24, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
First off I agree about Mitre. Second, I would actually trade Joba for Haren or Greinke only. Joba has been a disaster in late innings it seems and if you were to get a 15+ game winner in Haren for Joba I would do it. I wouldn’t throw in two top prospects for him though.. Then it would be overpaying. And third, I disagree about Albaladejo. If you send down Moseley then you wouldn’t have a long guy in the pen except for Gaudin in which he pitched 3 innings the day before. Albie was the only guy to send down to make room for Mitre.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 24, 2010 6:35 PM EDT reply actions
That's why I said get rid of Gaudin
He was obviously not available for todays game. I’m not big on Greinke
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Chad Gaudin is awful
Mosey boy pitched fabulously today
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That's why I said get rid of Gaudin
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Well, that sucked.
Hotter than hell today… some girl passed out in 202
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
On topic I see!
Juuuust kidding, I don’t get why people go to the games if they aren’t going to enjoy it. Not calling you out, but I went to a Yankees Tigers game in August ‘07 I think it was and it was 96 degrees out and ended up being a 2-1 Yankees win…my brother and dad said it was miserable and they don’t know why they went. It’s baseball. I loved it.
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It sucked to see them lose
Obviously I love going to the games if I go all the time. I don’t mind the heat… I was just stating the facts. Anyone there would probably agree.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
Don't take it seriously
I just hate when people complain about practically everything, especially stuff that most people don’t get.
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lol I can imagine someone in the legends suite:
can you honestly believe they wouldn’t serve me champagne in my mouth and massage my feat? oh theres a game on?
"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials
Not even that
Well actually yes, that, but anytime someone complains about a day at the ballpark just amazes me
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I complain about the heat no matter what.
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 24, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I see your point
I went to my first game (Royals @ Nationals) earlier this season to see Strasburg. I still enjoyed it even though the final score was 1-0 Kansas City.
"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials
I also wish A-Rod hit the homer
But it’s not really a big deal
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yeah i was in 202 today
it was damn hot
by yankeechaser on Jul 24, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Joba’s value is only at it lowest if you think he’s capable of doing better.
I think he’s capable of better, but not enough better to justify passing on a 29 year old who has thrown 5 straight seasons of 200+ innings at an elite level (WHIP 1.1ish).
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can
we have a night open thread?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 24, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think anyone really needs it
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As far as Gaudin and CHOP, if we could call up any pitchers from AAA that can keep an ERA below 6, it’s an improvement.
Also
Ubaldo Jimenez’s ERA is close to Pettitte’s now (2.75 vs. 2.88)
by Monotonousblob on Jul 24, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of regression
AJax was 3-5 yesterday and is now hitting .312. He’s just falling like a rock.
from .370 in april
lets see .297 may
.253 june
.329 in july..good for him he’s having a hot july. But it’s obvious his number are falling, can’t you accept that? Stop being stubborn and whiny about this when no one here is even talking about Ajax.
Whiny?
You sure like to say people are “whining” when the facts are brought up. .297 in May is bad? .253 in June, meh, .329 in July. Yep, regression. There’s nothing to accept except the fact we got hosed on this deal. It happens. You, sir, are the one who should accept that fact and give the kid some credit.
oh my goodness, he's on his first hot streak since April!
^that’s why I’m not impressed.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
by greatscott723 on Jul 25, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
lol his avg this month would be so high if it wasn't for a very good week
he’s hitting like .600 this week or something. Prior to this week his avg was about to dip under .300…
OK
3-5 yesterday, 2 R, 7th Triple. Now .318. I only bring this up because it makes absolutely no sense that you guys can’t admit that he’s pretty good. He may just end up being really damn good. I’m glad for the kid, you guys seem to want him to be a failure. Sad.
Something I forgot to mention
I really want the Yankees to get Russell Branyan as utility guy
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Yeah I actually like that.
I just hope it wouldn’t turn into a Richie Sexson-like flameout
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
by greatscott723 on Jul 24, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he's that type of player
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Yeah I don't think so either
Though they were both two big power hitters. I think Branyan right now is more of a player than Sexson was when he joined the Yanks. I’m just not sure if he would accept a bench role.
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by greatscott723 on Jul 24, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Branyan's still going strong
Sexson was waived cuz he stunk.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 24, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I really think he would succeed with the Yankees
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could he even become...
a TRUE YANKEE ©®
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
by greatscott723 on Jul 24, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
unlike our CF of course!
"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials
damn indians blew it
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Albaladejo should not have been sent down.
I agree with everyone here by saying that he should have been kept up here. The right move was for Cashman to release Chan Ho Park. Park is absolute garbage and provides no value to this bullpen by keeping him around as a mop-up boy. Moseley and Gaudin at least carry some value because they can both pitch multiple innings.
Also, as far as all the Haren trade talk goes, I hope we don’t trade for him. I am still a big fan of Joba, would hate to see us trade and then see he puts it all together as someone elses closer.
Plus, I would like us to keep Ivan Nova. I think Nova could be a good pitcher us evenually as either a solid starter or a very good relief pitcher. It would be nice to see not just Nova get called up from Scranton but also Hectiot Noesi called up from Trenton in September to pitch out of the bullpen. Even if that doesn’t happen I think both Ivan and Noesi will be given a chance to make the bullpen in spring training next year. It would good to see some of our pitching prospect get a chance on our team and not just trading them away.
by mkrozansky on Jul 24, 2010 10:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Prospects vs. win now is always a tough argument
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I guess the dead horsie just keeps asking for it....
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 24, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball tonight just said:
The Yankees said they would be happy to take on Haren’s money but not for their top A level prospects. They would be willing to put together a package of B level prospects though. D Backs are also talking to the Tigers about Haren.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
the waiting game for a trade is killer...
dbacks want to make a move before his tuesday start, but if neither side balks, it will go down to the deadline- unless an outside team swoops in like detroit or philly.
RU RAH RAH
RU RAH RAH
Should be interesting to watch
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what kind of package would you give for haren?
i think Cash has the right idea on B prospects and we’ll take on his money i guess (yankees have that advantage). I really wouldn’t mind givng them B level pitcher for a guy who is a proven Ace having bad year and locking him up for the new 2 years.
It's tough to tell
but I’d offer one AAA player at most and try to sell them on some B type AA prospects
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