Discussion: What Should The Yankees Do About The Bullpen?
What would you do about the New York Yankees' bullpen?
It's pretty obvious that despite having the best record in baseball, the team's 'Bridge To Mariano', is in disrepair. If it hasn't completely collapsed into the Hudson River, it sure is swaying too much for comfort.
Joba Chamberlain has a 5.79 ERA, and has hardly been the dominant eighth-inning presence the Yankees envisioned when they bumped him from the starting rotation in favor of Phil Hughes. Which, for what it's worth, was still the right decision.
Chan Ho Park has a 6.18 ERA, and certainly has done nothing to inspire confidence that he will improve. David Robertson has a 5.46 ERA. Alfredo Aceves is likely gone for the season. Sergio Mitre, a long man the Yankees actually do miss, has been out for quite a while now. Damaso Marte has been OK, but he is a limited lefty specialist at this point in his career.
Everyone else is just filler. Chad Gaudin? Dustin Moseley? Boone Logan? Please, those guys are not answers. They are mop-up men. End of the bullpen, stick 'em in the game to eat up innings when you don't want to use your good pitchers, types of guys. Except, really, who are the 'good' pitchers?
Mariano Rivera has, as usual, been brilliant. He has a 1.05 ERA and 20 saves. Even with those gaudy numbers, the Yankees' overall bullpen ERA is 4.14, and that's not good enough. If things don't improve you know Joe Girardi will be tempted more and more often to try and squeeze four and five outs from Mo, and that is really not a regular-season road the Yankees should go down if they want Rivera at his best in October.
So, what do the Yankees do? Wheel and deal? Turn to the farm system? Cross their fingers and hope pitching coach Dave Eiland can get inside Chamberlain's head and remove some of the rocks that seem to have embedded themselves in there?
Let's examine the options.
Fixing Joba
In all honesty, this has to be a priority regardless of what other moves the Yankees decide to make -- or not to make. He isn't the 98-100 mph phenom of 2007 any more -- yes, admit it, Joba-mania is dead. But, he is better than what we have seen thus far -- the 5.79 ERA, the 1.50 WHIP, giving up more than a hit per inning, surrendering three runs or more in five of 39 appearances thus far in 2009, allowing opponents to hit .282 against him.
He is definitely better than all of that. Isn't he? I mean, he has also had 12 appearances of an inning or more this season where he has not surrendered a hit. The fastball is 93-97 on any given night, the slider is still sharp and the occasional curveball is effective.
So, what gives? WFAN's Sweeny Murti thinks the biggest problem is between Chamberlain's ears, and he might have a good point.
Joba has great stuff. It should translate into the late-inning role. He continues to run the ball up there mid-90s or higher, but his control and command are major issues, and it appears that repeating his delivery has become a problem. The Yankees have invested a great deal in Joba, so they will continue to work with him. The baffling part is how great he can look one night, like he did in Oakland, and then just a few days later blow up like he did in Seattle.
I still think the biggest problem Joba faces is trying to live up to 2007, and in many ways that’s unfair. He was facing hitters who had never seen him and was used very carefully, with the Joba Rules in place and never pitching back-to-back days. Now, as a full-time reliever for the first time ever in his career he has to learn how to be ready with his good stuff every time out and back-to-back days and three times out of four, etc. His arm should be able to handle it, but maybe mentally he’s not fully accustomed to it.
Whatever the case, and its hard to tell because Joba rarely gives great insight into the process, I don’t believe the Yankees "ruined" Joba as many are fond of saying. Whatever they asked him to do, they still asked him to pitch and get guys out. If he’s as good as we all believe, he should be able to do that.
Chamberlain has become the A.J. Burnett of the bullpen. Sometimes electric, sometimes awful. Can't have that in the eighth inning of close games in a pennant race. No matter what else the Yankees do, let's hope Eiland can get Joba back to the pitcher the Yankees need him to be.
Internal Options
The Yankees have Gaudin, Moseley and Park eating up space at the end of the bullpen, and while I'm not 100% ready to give up on Park none of those guys seems likely to be trustworthy enough to get key outs during August, September and October. So, where to turn?
First up is likely to be Jonathan Albaladejo, who has been lights out closing at AAA Scranton-Wilkes Barre. Yes, we have seen Albaladejo before and he has not been impressive enough to stick around, pitching to a 4.88 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 39 games over two seasons. But, the word is that he has become a different pitcher this season, while saving 29 games and pitching to a 1.01 ERA. He has enough fastball and a good sinker. Yes, he's a one-inning guy but right now the Yankees are carrying three pitchers who are, basically, long men. Give him a shot.
Forget Mark Melancon, who has been highly touted as the closer of the future, but who seems to be heading backwards at age 25 rather than proving he belongs in the Bronx. I thought Melancon would be the second-half secret weapon in the Yankee bullpen, but he has not been impressive in two short big-league stints and is struggling to find the plate at Scranton, walking 28 in 49 innings and pitching to a 1.69 WHIP. Not good enough.
Maybe Romulo Sanchez, who impressed with a blazing fastball in one emergency relief appearance and has been moved into the SWB bullpen -- probably in the event the Yankees want to bring him up. Royce Ring? The journeyman lefty has a 1.57 ERA at AAA, but the Yankees obviously prefer Logan's 95-mph fastball.
So, looks like the only one almost certain to get a real shot is Albaladejo. Based on past performance, though, we can't be sure he will be able to get key outs in a pennant race.
So, that leads us to ...
The Trade Market
There are a variety of lists out there detailing who might be available via trade the next few weeks. ESPN Insider recently ran a pretty exhaustive list, if you are an Insider. The always-informative MLB Trade Rumors has a list of potentially available right-handed relievers. In a list of probably buyers and sellers he posted a couple of weeks back, SI.com's Jon Heyman said the Kansas City Royals might be willing to part with closer Joakim Soria. There is speculation the Yankees might take a look at lefty George Sherrill, recently released by the Dodgers. Heyman also figures the Baltimore Orioles to be sellers, and lefty reliever Mike Gonzalez is about ready to return from a shoulder injury. In my mind, he bears watching the next couple of weeks.
If the Yankees trade for help, here are the guys I would go after, in order of preference.
- Joakim Soria -- I find it hard to believe that the Royals would trade the 26-year-old two-time All-Star closer, but if they really would move him, this is the guy General Manager Brian Cashman HAS to go after. This guy is an absolute stud closer. In four years with Kansas City he has an ERA of 2.13 and has never posted an ERA worse than 2.48. He has a career WHIP of 0.994 and an average ERA+ of 208. Rivera, by the way, has an average ERA+ of 205 for his career. So, it's an impressive number. Soria has 114 saves in four seasons with the Royals. Soria also has a contract the Yankees could easily swallow. He is signed thru 2014 to a deal that has club options each season and tops out at $8.75 million. To be completely honest, I would trade Chamberlain for Soria in a heartbeat, straight up. Thing is, I am pretty sure the Royals would want Joba AND a decent prospect or two. The only hesitation about Soria might be that he has never been in a pennant race. This guy has been good enough throughout his career that I would not worry about that and might just pay the price if I was Cashman.
- Scott Downs and/or Kevin Gregg -- The Toronto Blue Jays have apparently made most of their bullpen available, and these two guys are both incredibly intriguing. Downs is a quality, veteran left-hander who has held lefties to a .230 batting average during a nine-year career. He is an upgrade over Damaso Marte and would really allow Joe Girardi to mix and match to get to Rivera, something we know he loves to do. Gregg has closed the past few seasons for Florida, Chicago and Toronto, but I always thought of him as more of a set-up man. Not the lock-down guy Joba can be when he is right, but from closing and from pitching in Anaheim early in his career he has lots of experience in pressure situations. Not a bad option.
- Kerry Wood -- The Cleveland closer has a 6.30 ERA and just eight saves after signing a two-year, $20.5-million free-agent contact. I am pretty sure the struggling Indians would be happy to unload the contract. Wood has been better the past two months, pitching to a 3.48 ERA in June and a 3.86 ERA in July. I have no fears about Wood handling New York after all the ups and downs of his career.
- Matt Capps -- Capps, 27, is under control of the Washington Nationals through 2011. He has 23 saves, a 3.18 ERA and just picked up the victory in the All-Star Game. Couple of things make me nervous about Capps, particularly with what we have seen in the past from relievers who are brought in to the New York pennant-race pressure cooker mid-season. He has spent his six-year career in Pittsburgh and Washington, so pitching important innings in September and October would be uncharted waters.
- Mike Gonzalez -- The Baltimore left-hander is expected to return from a strained shoulder soon. If he shows that he is healthy, Gonzalez could be an attractive option. He is a quality left with eight-inning and closing experience, and has been through pennant races with the Atlanta Braves. For his career, lefties hit a paltry .206 off Gonzalez and righties hit only .216. Keep an eye on whether the Orioles get him back early enough to make him tradeable.
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Get Joba back on track
if the others like CHOP, Mitre and Robertson can’t figure it out, try Romulo Sanchez, maybe they’re really feeling lucky and try Albaladejo again (I’d go to Vegas and bet it all on his number if he pans out).
Maybe Brackman keeps throwing cheddar and he comes up in early August just like Joba did ye years ago.
That’s it. Trading for a reliever in the Bronx is always real risky…look at how long it took Marte to even be decent. IF they need to get someone, I’d rather it be just someone off the scrap heap or someone that doesn’t cost much.
In the playoffs, the Yanks aren’t going with 5 starters. So that’s gonna add someone in there.
Bye, Lee :(
Brackman has an ERA of 5 and a WHIP of 1.5 at Trenton
Maybe in 2011. You know what I think about Albaladejo, but another option could be Nova. He’s been solid at Scranton, if unspectacular.
Agreed about the trade though. If they can’t fix their internal problems, a trade isn’t going to help unless they get someone for a song.
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
by Captain_Mick on Jul 16, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Brackman was crap early on...so I don't care about his total stats.
lately, he’s not that.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Brackman has made five starts in Trenton since being promoted from Tampa
When I refer to his Trenton numbers, these are his five most recent starts.
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by Captain_Mick on Jul 16, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
In other words
Lately he’s exactly that: a pitcher with an ERA of 5 and a WHIP of 1.5
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by Captain_Mick on Jul 16, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I have been saying this for a long time. Get rid of Jaba and you might add Park as well. Good relief pitching is hard to get.
Get rid of Joba?
Why…
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
which is exactly why you don't get rid of those 2
they’re due some good innings of work.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL LeBron
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a bad suggestion
Replace Holliday with Brett Favre and I’d do it in a heartbeat
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Favre ugh
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
reality check---late, too late
yankees had their opportunity to get Lee and Halladay,, really screwed themselves and now yankees realize good hitting dont beat great pitching——pitching is hurting and hope scouts can find a winner —-not a proven looser!!!!
Pitching is hurting?
Last time I checked… having three 11-game winners and two other proven pitchers that, despite their inconsistencies, are perfectly capable of turning things around completely. This is the best rotation the Yankees have had in recent memory. Sure, the bullpen hasn’t been spectacular… but the bullpen hasn’t been the worst in baseball by any measure. If Joba fixes his inconsistency, we won’t be hearing much more about a “bad bullpen”
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The Yanks won the WS despite screwing themselves and not getting Halladay
and since they don’t need a starter this year, they can win the WS without Lee as well.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by Captain_Mick on Jul 16, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
How did they screw themselves?
that have the best record in baseball and last year they won the World Series. They don’t need Halladay and Lee. And their BULLPEN, NOT the rotation, is what is the problem right now. The rotation happens to have 5 quality starters.
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Well said
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is it fair to assume Wood can handle NY?
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by Brandon C. on Jul 16, 2010 7:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
No way to be sure
I just think that he is a veteran, he has been through a lot in his career, he’s pitched in the post-season. My personal feeling is the bright lights should not be a big deal for him — he has spent plenty of his career in the spotlight. My real question w/Wood is can he still be consistently effective, not whether New York will scare him.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 16, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He reminds me of Farnsworth in that sense
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by Brandon C. on Jul 16, 2010 8:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Melancon's been a real disappointment this year
Backwards is right. I expected a stud-like performance this year. Maybe he turns the corner in 2011.
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Melancon
What you have to worry about is that he is already 25. That’s not ‘old’ in normal years, but it is ‘old’ in ‘prospect’ years. I still have hopes for the guy as a useful middle/set-up man, but I’m not counting on him ever closing at the big-league level.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 16, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not big on teams messing up players mentalities
But in Melancons case I would have a hard time disagreeing. Here he thinks he is this top prospect reliever making his MLB debut against Boston, then he gets sent down. Then called up. Then down, etc. Seemed like results didn’t mean much for his chances.
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by Brandon C. on Jul 16, 2010 8:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed totally
I would have liked to have seen him get more of a chance. Maybe he could have learned on the job.
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by Captain_Mick on Jul 16, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think the bouncing back and forth — and the all too obvious to see lack of belief Joe Girardi had in him — really hurt the kid.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 16, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the thing
at the minor league level, you can go from prospect to suspect just like that (snaps fingers).
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
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by Great Gatsby on Jul 16, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I was shocked when I looked at Joba's BABIP
2007 it was .246 … 2010 it is .380. Basically many times the ball is hit into play it’s simply finding holes. This also came as somewhat of a surprise because his linedrive percentage is actually down from last season. He has a great FIP and runners score nearly 42% of the time they reach base against Joba. Could this possibly be a head problem sort of like A.J. Burnett?
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Is a ball smacking off the centerfield wall "finding a hole?"
I don’t know about BABIP. I do know he’s been hit hard, even on a lot of the outs. He falls behind hitters and has to come in with fastballs, or he can’t put them away when he’s 0-2.
As far as I I’m concerned, I would send him to KC and let them make him a starter in exchange for Soriano in a heartbeat.
by Gamble's afro, Mattingly's porn 'stache on Jul 16, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Then it's signs of immaturity
His problems aren’t impossible to fix. He has to learn to trust his stuff.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
By the way... interesting name choice lol
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure
However, Mitre made a rehab appearance yesterday in AAA
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Mitre is a huge improvement
Assuming he comes back
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Ace
I don’t think we will see him again this year. Last I heard they were talking about possible back surgery.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 16, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
This would be really unfortunate.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
It is dubious
at best.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
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Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jul 16, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Joba
Comparing his 2009 stats to his 2010 numbers so far, we see that:
1. He’s added 2 K/9 to his average
2. He’s subtracted 1 BB/9 to his average
3. He’s more than halved his HR/9 rate (1.2 last year; 0.5 this year)
4. He’s yet to hit a batter in 2010 (he averaged 1 HBP every 13 innings last year)
5. His groundball rate has increased and his line drive rate has decreased slightly
6. His velocity is clearly back.
So…..better velocity + more strikeouts + more groundballs + fewer homers + fewer lines drives + fewer free passes = a worse pitcher?
I’m not going to deny the mental aspect of the game, but it just doesn’t make sense to suggest that somehow Joba has become a fundamentally worse pitcher this year, not when all of those things have changed in a good way.
Give him some time. A .380 BABIP and 58% strand rate suggests that his woes can be at least partly attributed to poor defense or bad luck.
His velocity is inconsistent
When he throws 93-94, I’ve found that he is a VERY hittable pitcher. However, when he dials it up to 98… I see that he succeeds much more. It’s all about consistency and getting out of jams for Joba. This is just my opinion, though. But good stats there
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he was more effective when he was wilder because batters were afraid to dig in.
Likewise, the lower hom run rate could be the result of not challenging hitters with his best stuff. The stats you cite leave out hits. How does his hit rate compare? Even with fewer walks his WHIP must be higher?
by Gamble's afro, Mattingly's porn 'stache on Jul 16, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with a lot of what you’re saying here kuri.
But the inconsistency is visible watching each game and it’s buried in the numbers.
Of his 1.0IP appearances, he’s had 8 when he was untouchable (13 pitches or less), 10 of normal (14-19 pitches), and 4 that were long (20+ pitches).
Of those long outings he has 1 K and 6ER in 4 innings of work.
Looking at his full season again, he’s allowed 24 ER in 10 IP. In those 10 IP he has 2 K.
In his scoreless appearances, he’s pitched 27.1 innings and struck out 37.
I don’t know what league average numbers are for those splits, but to me that speaks to difficulty repeating the delivery.
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+1
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by Captain_Mick on Jul 16, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Joba has been inconsistent, the question is why – mechanics, mental issues, bad luck, or some combination of the three?
Jscape, you’re on the right track – when Joba is “on”, he’s been lights out, and when he’s been “off”….look out. But I think it’s interesting to look at his season splits by game outcome/decision this season (here) to figure out what is really going on.
35 of his 39 apperances have earned him a non-loss (either a win, a save, or a no-decision), and I’m sure these cover all of his untouchable and most of his normal outings too. He’s allowing a cumulative .234/.297/.292 batting line, striking out over a quarter of the hitters he’s faced, and posting a 2.88 ERA during the “good apperances”, which happen to cover 90% of his games, 92% of his innings, and 85% of the batters he’s faced.
Obviously, I don’t know why he’s occasionally been God-awful, and I’m not suggesting that it’s all just “bad luck”, but he’s been an excellent reliever 90% of the time this season, and I don’t think there’s any tangible evidence to suggest he’s got a recurring mechanical problem, or doesn’t trust his fastball, or whatever else. Letting him work out that remaining 10% seems to make more sense than writing him off entirely or trading valuable prospects to replace him, no? I know this is New York, and we demand perfection, but let’s not make a knee jerk decision that could wind up costing us.
Definitely room for improvement
Despite his high ERA, Joba’s FIP is below 3.00 and his tERA and xFIP are both below 3.40 while his WAR currently stands at 0.9. Those are pretty decent stats for a middle reliever.
by Scooby Snacks on Jul 16, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
"but his control and command are major issues"
With all due respect to Sweeney Murti, I have said this more than once on PA regarding
Joba…" the biggest problem is between Chamberlain’s ears", this translates into NOT
trusting his fastball, especially if he comes in and allows a basehit, mentally he gets
bat-shy…Of the names mentioned above, Soria would be an obvious choice, the cost?
Matt Capps would be a less expensive option, since they have a closer in waiting in Drew Storen….Alby, well supposedly he has developed a four seamer this year, prmarily
he was a sinkerballer, if they want to bring him up, just don’t expect to be the eighth inning guy….Somebody like Brackman has JUST moved to AA, ain’t seeing the Bronx this year.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
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I don't see the Royals dumping Soria
Although, if they’re willing to part ways with Guillen then I could be wrong.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
They aren't going
anywhere just like the Nats, just think the cost might be too high for Soria.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
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Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jul 16, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't surprise me
I would set the price high if I were KC as well
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Look, theres been some signs of life by Joba this year and then theres been some awful outings. Hes like any other pitcher, some day hes got his stuff, some days he doesn’t. Unfortunatley for Joba when it rains it pours and his numbers are very ugly because of that but its still no excuse for inconsistency
Soria seems like a nice option, but I'm always cautious about getting another team's closer
It just seems like in recent year teams with an established closer who bring in another team’s for the 8th inning have problems. Example, Mets with JJ Putz last year, that former Yankee I will not name. These closers seem to lose their edge when they’re put in the 8th inning.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Jul 16, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions
I think most are too prideful to want to pitch the 8th inning
I don’t blame them, but they should give into the mantra of “team effort”.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Soria would be great
but I don’t see the royals trading him this year for anything less than a top prospect and maybe more. Like you said he’s locked up through 2014, and he’s one of the few good parts of the team.
I just realized how unfortunate that is for Soria
Locked up with the Royals for another 4 years…
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
if the owners gave a crap about building a winning team then it wouldn't be unfortunate
by SportsFanatic88 on Jul 16, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a huge "if"
It’s REALLY unfortunate, lol
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
not getting Lee really screwed us
Y???? Because if we would have gotten him, We coulda traded Vasquez for a good 8th inning guy or just a good RP in general, oh well.
But regarding the RP dilemma, I dont think Joba should be on the block just yet, let the pitching master work the kinks outa him first. I would def go after Soria if available, and def. release Park, he’s a waste anyway. Why get another closer? Because our bullpen is horendous and we cant expect Rivera to go out there everytime and save the day!!!!! He’s only got a few years left in the tank and we wanna spread him out as much as we can. Any thoughts?
slightly off topic but also has to do w/ NYY pitching
Yankees starters have 6-0 record and a 1.24 ERA in the last seven games.
by SportsFanatic88 on Jul 16, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
Joba
I agree with trading Joba as long as it means they are getting an upgrade in the bullpen. I’m not sure they’ll be able to do that. If they can trade Joba and a lower level prospect I’ve never heard of for Soria, I, like you, would do that in a heartbeat. I’m not sure KC would though.
Joba has been very bad right now, and I’m not sure when his stock is this low they’ll get that much for him. If they can fix him and make him reliable again where his stock is high, then it wouldn’t make any more sense to trade him because he’s pitching well.
I think they should shop him around, but make sure they are getting a big upgrade, like Downs or Soria, if they are going to trade him. I don’t think it’s that likely at this stage (although I hope so). I think it’s more likely Dave Eiland and a little trip to Nebraska over the All-Star Break will fix him like last year. And if he becomes reliable again, it makes no more sense to trade him.
Well, even if he’s pitching well again I’d still trade him straight up for Soria, but thats it. Nobody else (I really like Soria).
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Use mind control on KC's GM to have them accept Joba for Soria straight up.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
I don't do that deal
Trade a good bullpen arm for another one? the Red Sox need bullpen help right now, and bard is their only reliable guy as it is.
Maybe put together a few porpsects for Soria?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They better be real good ones
or the deal won’t happen
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll trade this guy, this guy, , and this guy
That may get it done, but mybe replace somebody with Reddick
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if two AA guys and one A guy will get that deal done
KC might be looking for young MLB ready talent
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why Reddick may be included
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call him "MLB ready"
He’s been pretty terrible since being called up from AA
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He started off good last season and had a terrific spring. I like him as a prospect, but he may be a fewyears away. I don’t see many other guys in the system close to MLB leval.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, you're willing to give up Josh Reddick to try and get Soria?
How generous considering Reddick is currently hitting .211/.261/.359 in AAA this year. COming off a 2009 where he hit .245 /.317/.446. As of right now Josh Reddick has close to zero prospect value.
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He has fallen from ranked 2 to 13.
But he still has some poetential there that Kansas City might like.
For me, the only untouchables are Kelly, Rizzo, Vitek, and Kalish.
I might add Lars Anderson in the KC deal.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
What a coincidence
You’re willing to part with guys who aren’t having good seasons. Why is KC gonna want them in a deal for one of the best young closers in the game?
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Lars
Is having an OK season.
I’m not his biggest fan but he certaintly has value. How about a gut like Kyle Wieland?
and if you’re all like I’m not giving up top prospects, Lars is ranked 3rd in the organization.
I’m not giving up Kelly, Vitek, or Kalish. I put Rizzo on that list to, but not as much
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If you have 4 untouchables in your minor league system ...
… that you aren’t willing to part with, then you’re probably not going to get many deals done. You have to give some to get some my friend.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll give up Bowden, Piementel, Reddick, Lars, Gibson, Jacobs, Renfroe… all big time prospects
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Pimental..maybe
the rest…..are about as big time as Butte, Idaho.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Exposito, Weiland, Fife…
Do you know the rankings? take a look http://www.soxprospects.com/index.html
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yea..good rankings...
the guy you just drafted is in the top 10? LOL!!!
That’s just the team rankings.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Vitek has very good poetentiall(I also got his autograph)
and hes raking in Lowell. He’s untouchable.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
the guy doesn't even have a 2 months of experience...
how the hell can he move up so fast?
OH!, if your farm system sucks and has no depth…that’s how.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
HA
The Red Sox have some pretty bigtime prospects
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
in the minds of the Red Sox.....
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it is known the Red Sox have a top-5 farm system with Texas, KC, tampa, and yes, the Yankees
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
top 5 systems don't have a 1st round pick
move into the top 10 in less then 2 months.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That isnt even the offical minor league site, its a fan blog, but everyone goes off it.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Several sources
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably espn lol
Sucking up to Bahston again
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually ESPN has them at #2
Surprise!!
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Please stop saying untouchable like he's some sort of redic prospect.
He’s untouchable because you can’t trade guys you just drafted. Geez.
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him a lot and see a ton of poetential, as do many Sox and MILB people
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record..
How do you judge potential?
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
From watching players and scouting reports
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
lol free
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
None of those are impact players. Pimentel is a 20 yr old in A ball with less than impressive stats and peripherals.
Renfroe is in the NYPL hitting .153/.228 /.181. And you’re going to trade these guys for Soria? Get real.
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked Renfroe going into this year, but he is struggling
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and BAA doesnt matter.
All that matters is stats like BABIP FIPand UZR.
ERA is insignificant too
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
ERA isn't totally insignificant
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I know.
I’m actully mocking certain people
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I see
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I am often mocked beacuse I don’t do all that sabrmetric crap.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, sabermetrics are becoming more valuable
But I see your point
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t see how former important stats like BAA are shit now beacuse of sabrmetircs
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
They aren't entirely
Other stats are just becoming more valuable
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of them don’t make sense.
Like uZR
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
153./228/.181 matters.
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Soria, sorry
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Soria Best; Downs Next & Gregg last options
I would trade Joba & one mid level prospect for Soria in a heartbeat! Soria could definitely take over for Mo when he retires.
I would not trade Joba for Downs or Gregg just mid-level prospects.
What about League in Seattle??? The guy can bring it.
by YANKEES FOREVER on Jul 16, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
League…. meh, not that good
I doubt Joba has any value right now
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He has
A helluva lot more than Josh Reddick.
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really.
Reddick is 23 and still a good prospect. Joba has struggled at the MLB leval for a little bit now.
But teams get deperate, I guess.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Joba?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah Reddick sucks, Joba has at least proven hes good in the majors before
Reddick hasnt and has even sucked in the minors
I think they called him up to the majors WAY too fast
That’s just me though
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Reddick?
i do too. I saw his MLB debut in Baltimore and loved him.
But he’s just not ready yet.
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Except Joba is struggling inbetween stints of being brilliant at the MLB level.
Reddick is getting beat up in AAA. It’s not even close.
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Joba hasn't been as terrible at the MLB level as you would think
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never thought Joba was any good, sorry
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I never did
The Joba rules ruined him
and I’m afraid the same thing may happen with Hughes
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah of course but people would get all up and armed if I said that here
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And I like Hughes as a player too.
(hes also on my list)
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The phrase is "Up in arms"
Not “up and armed”. Altho Free might be carring, you never know.
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
*carrying.
And yes…packin the mack in the back of the ack.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Pahk teh Cah?
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You show both your years, inexperience and intelligence when you say stupid shit like this.
“I never thought Joba was any good”
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh
sorry for having an opinion
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
having an opinion is ok
but when you just say things with no reasons to back them up, it doesn’t lend itself to intelligent discussion, especially as a known fan of a rival team.
Many Yankee fans would tell you that Joba isn’t pitching like we thought he would, but if you look at his career, even after his short stint in 2007, he had proven to be a capable young starter and/or reliever. At this point in his career, he is far from done, he just needs to work some things out or get his head in the game. To say he was never any good, with no proof, is, in my opinion, inflammatory and ill-advised on a rival team’s blog.
Exactly.
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Wurd
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
lol ouch
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not offended by his opinion
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade proposal from a Pirates fan
Given the discussion about the bullpen and Joba, would you Yankee fans be amenable to a trade of Joba to the Pirates for Octavio Dotel and Ryan Doumit?
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NO DOTEL. NO.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless it's Dotel version 2002
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were the Yankees then Hell ya
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
you would
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
good thing you're not.....
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No thank ou. Dotel is old and not very good.
Plus we have a good backup catcher and our two best prospects are catchers. Substitute Doumit for a guy likeummm, off the top of my head, Daniel McCutcheon and now you’re talkin.
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Andrew McCutchen*
And eh, he’s pretty good. Not the best fielder.. but pretty good with the bat. I’d rather have Gardner and Granderson
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Theres two.
Daniel is a pitcher.
non-related
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Daniel? Yes
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Granderson is far superior in the field, though
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees traded Daniel McCutchen for Nady and Marte
Well, he was part of the deal. LOL!
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, lol, I was gonna say who the hell wants Daniel McCutchen
You really would rather have Granderson over McCutchen?
I have faith in Granderson dude
I know it’s hard to believe… but I really do.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Austin jackson
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
McCutchen, yeah
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
my only thing with Austin Jackson is his lack of power
and to be honost I dont see him devoloping much of it
Yeah Id much rather have McCutchen
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course you would
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ive always liked McCutchen
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAH oops, my bad. yeah fuck Dan MCCutcheon.
I’d take Andrew in a heartbeat.
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, him and his ERA of over 10
Good riddance
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
I think he signed a one year deal and was a free agent after the season… I want to say he was a Yankee in 2006
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah I just looked
He was a FA at the end of ’06. Not part of the Nady/Marte trade.
Yanks sent nothing to Pittsburgh for those guys
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, ok
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
oh
Yeah, I seem to recall Dotel being a White Sox team member at some point before finding his way to the Pirates as well. What did we give the Pirates for Nady/Marte? $5 and a case of beer? lol
lol basically
We actually gave the Pirates Dan McCutchen in that trade LOL along with Karstens, Ohlendorf and Tabata
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees also received nothing from those guys
Unless you think that a LOOGY is an adequate return for an outfield prospect (Tabata) and an average starting pitcher (Ohlendorf).
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Nady would have been a great pickup.
But nobody knew his arm would blow up again.
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by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't exactly worked out for us in Chicago
Rumor is that the Padres and Rangers are interested in Nady.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Well I'm assuming he'd be a little better player
If he weren’t coming back from that 2nd TJ.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It looked like an excellent trade at the time, no doubt.
But yeah.. injuries do happen
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Pirates knew that he would never repeat 2008
That much is true. Just look at what he did for the Yankees prior to his injury.
Formerly known as Econolodge
Ohlendorf is pretty bad
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You'd take Ohlendorf over Burnett?
Get outta here
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
The two players have essentially the same peripherals, Ohly has a lower ERA, and he’s 5 years younger than Burnett.
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... lol
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
he didn't say that
he just said he’s no worse. I’d guess he means no worse than Bad AJ.
I’m trying to figure out how he’s 1-7 in 13 starts (that’s 5 no decisions). Is it the defense or the ballpark?
He’s got a 4.22 ERA but I can’t find his FIP (probably looking in the wrong place).
3 games where he gave up 5+ runs, but received an average of only 2.17 runs in support over his 13 starts so far.
Ross Ohlendorf on Baseball Reference
FIP is above 5
And he just admitted he would take Ohlendorf over Burnett
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but his
BABIP (for batters against him) is only .288. Is that ridiculously low?
I need to read Duggan’s SABR posts again.
That's slightly better than average
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Never judge a pitcher by wins and losses
Ohlendorf is 1-7 because of no offensive support. The Bucs have the worst offense in baseball, and it’s hard to win games if you don’t score runs.
Looking at wins and losses is a fallacy. Pitchers don’t play baseball by themselves.
Formerly known as Econolodge
Isn't that what I said
at the bottom there about run support? I’m trying to show he’s not as bad a pitcher as his W-L and ERA suggest, based on the team he plays for.
No one is looking at W-L
I just believe that Burnett’s potential is so much better than Ohlendorf’s.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
At one point in time, that was true
But Burnett is 33 years old, and he’s more likely to decline than get better. Ohlendorf is at least likely to remain the same if not improve.
Formerly known as Econolodge
imagine if Ohlendorf
had Halladay as a mentor? He might have turned out an even better pitcher.
Ohlendorf is a good example of a pitcher that can do well if given time to develop in the MLB. The Yankee organization is not a good place for that because there’s no patience (except when they have no choice).
Nope
Not a chance. Been there, done that w/Dotel. Want nothing to do with him.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank You
Mr Valentine!
Finally! A spot on recitation of just how dire the Yankee bullpen situation really is! We have been whistling past the graveyard up to this point with that crew and if at all possible I would trade the sun, the stars, and the moon for Joakim Soria and frankly – just about anyone else on your list!
The window of opportunity for the current Yankee team is fast closing. Pettitte is having a miracle year, Derek Jeter is lunging towards semi-retirement, Posada is getting older and more nicked up by the minute, and while we can all hold our breath and pray, Mariano Rivera ain’t gonna last forever.
Joba Chamberlain is hopeless. His idea of physical preparation for his chosen career (PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE!) is to wear one of these: http://www.phitenusa.com/p-189-alternate-mlb-necklace-x30-new-york-yankees.aspx – Contestants on the Biggest Loser laugh at this guy….
His time has come and gone and in another day and age he would have been shipped off to the hinterlands by now to live out the rest of his sorry professional career in well-deserved anonymity.
My fondest hope is that during the All Star beak he, Chan Ho ,and David Robertson decided they were really homebodies and decided to call it a career and stay home.
Imagine being a MLB pitcher and simply not be able to come in and pitch to 2 or 3 guys effectively and then go take a shower. It boggles the mind.
Stat of the day: Damaso Marte’s ERA with RISP/2 outs: 7.71 !!!!!!!!!!! Oh mommy….
Where’s Cecil Upshaw when you need him…?
Re: Joba
"From my perspective, we all can have various views," Cashman said. "He's going to be a starter pitching out of the 'pen."
(Well that explains why we have to have another reliever behind him....)
Oh God…..
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh boy I didn't even read this
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
me niether
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking as an outsider
I think Chamberlain still has plenty of upside and trading him right now wouldn’t be a good idea. If anything, he’s just having an off year with some bad luck. His BABIP in 2009 was .317, but it’s .370 this year. Of course, this is comparing different types of season, but it’s still a significant difference.
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finally
an outside opinion that is tempered by logic and a wider view of a person’s career. So, would you say that Joba would be a good trade chip to a team that could use him as a reliable starter, such as the Royals, Pirates, etc.? A team that has the patience to allow him to grow and develop in the MLB without the pressure of a team or fanbase like the Yankees or another big market audience?
he's more valuable to the Yanks then he is in a trade.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Bingo
Right now, trading Joba outside of a package deal will be selling very low and another team could potentially grab a steal in Joba. That doesn’t help the Yankees unless they happen to get someone much better than Joba.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
That could work
Obviously, it would be tough to get something spectacular for Joba right now because it would be selling low. However, packaged as a trade chip for another need wouldn’t be a bad deal. I still believe Joba is simply having a year of bad luck, which will happen to pitchers over the course of their careers. But if Joba is to be traded, he could benefit from the change of scenery. Who knows?
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Thank you
for your intelligent discourse. :)
Yeah, I too believe that Joba is just having a bad year with luck and his luck should either improve or at least even out over the next few months, bringing his BABIP down to his career numbers, at least to match his FIP.
I always had hoped Joba could be a starter and live up to his true potential. Then again, I’m not really a big believer in having 1-inning or specialist relief corps. I’d much rather have starters, long relievers, and closers, with no specialists, like back in the 80s.
If he loses value for the Yankees as a set-up man/closer, I’m hoping that another team will want him for his starting potential.
is that a shot at me?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he the only one who feels this way?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you?
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
/facepalm
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
you would
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
wagon
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
pie does not have a bandwagon.
or at least those that treat it like a wagon, need to be kept a keen close eye on.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
of course
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
are you a pie wagoner?
Do you crave pie one day…then crave something like say…..strudel, the next?
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefully.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
From David
I would say the probability is yes
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he has a thing againest me, and I dont really care.
But its unnesacary to just go out and be rude
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't have many inside opinions that are worth reading either.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
True playa
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much upside to dump in a trade right now. Only the stupid people want him gone.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record, Ace...
I hope your Cubbies can find a way to turn around their season/franchise. It’s really quite sad to see them in the state they’re currently in. Huge payroll and nothing seems to tip in favor of them.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
One of those bad luck years
We’ve had quite a few of those, but that’s besides the point.
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Understood
I’d love to see them succeed though. Not as much as the Yankees, but basically right behind them. Sort of a sympathy thing, but I mean come on… 102 years is a long ass time.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Their time will come
I’ll keep holding out hope. I’m more convinced the 102 years is a statistical oddity more than anything because they had opportunities to win on multiple occasions since 1908.
I also respect what the Yankees have done as a franchise.
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Out of curiosity
How long have you been a Cub fan?
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
For about as long as I've been interested in baseball
I’m not old enough to remember 1984 in any great detail, but I remember 1989.
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I see
Best of luck to ’em
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The Saddest Part
of all this…?
We’re dependent on the guy (Brian Cashman) who got us here to get us out.
That’s like asking BP to fix the oil spill THEY created. Oh…wait…never mind….
From the man who brought us “…Ian Kennedy is going to be one of our rotation anchors….” and a litany of other nonsense related to Yankee pitching over the course of the last decade we have seen this guy botch anything that isn’t directly related to spending Steinbrenner $$$$ on free agents.
Brian Cashman is to pitching what Yankee Intel is to popularity contests.
Re: Joba
"From my perspective, we all can have various views," Cashman said. "He's going to be a starter pitching out of the 'pen."
(Well that explains why we have to have another reliever behind him....)
LOL
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, take a chill pill
I think Cashman has done an ok job
better than Theo
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't take anything seriously that you type
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
we'd be better off not even responding to his posts
as the more we respond, the more we fuel his ability to get a rise out of us, and he’ll never stop.
I try to just ignore him and pretend it’s not even there. Don’t respond and maybe he’ll go away.

I guess
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Joba Stats
Bases Empty ERA – 6.75
Runners On – 5.16
RISP – 6.30
RISP/2 outs – 11.12 – Let me repeat that: 11.12!!!!
If his name were not Joba he would be in SWB right now asking Kei Igawa if he was going to eat that last piece of spicy tuna…
Re: Joba
"From my perspective, we all can have various views," Cashman said. "He's going to be a starter pitching out of the 'pen."
(Well that explains why we have to have another reliever behind him....)
wagon
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by bestbostonsports on Jul 16, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
see, now here's a situation
where SABRmetrics would tell a more complete picture than just “ERA in this situation” because there’s no information in those ERA numbers about where the ball was hit or how the ball was hit or whether it was just luck or bad defense that it fell in for a base hit.
Obviously, he didn’t take the time to read anything written above, such as Jscape’s and Kuri’s deeper analysis of his performances thus far.
If he were in Scranton right now
He’d be killing it and not learning anything.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think eventually he’ll get it right. I just think right now he needs to be used differently, not the eighth inning guy where his inconsistency can affect the outcome of a game.
yeah
he’d be a good long-reliever, maybe, or a good candidate to be in the bullpen corps next season after maybe showing he can get the job done if he’s called up in September and then in Spring Training next year.
i'm guessing
he’s either going to be trade bait or they’ll call him up if they can’t get bullpen help at the deadline
I’d be fine with bumping him back an inning or two. maybe give gim some lower leverage innings and a little kick in the ass. But down to Scranton would be silly.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Soria wouldn't be a bad option
Albaladejo was hilariously awful in spring training, but it looks like he MIGHT have that fixed now. I think we need to go with the safe option and attempt to pick up Soria.
"Chicks who dig home runs aren't the ones who appeal to me. I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. I'd rather impress the chicks with my technique than with my brute strength. Then, every now and then, just to show I can do that, too, I might flirt a little by hitting one out." - Ichiro
by WhiteWinterHymnal on Jul 16, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
Soria would be safe
if his situation didn’t scream "I AM RH DAMASO MARTE!!! TRADE ME YOUR PROSPECTS!!
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
But what is Joba?
"Chicks who dig home runs aren't the ones who appeal to me. I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. I'd rather impress the chicks with my technique than with my brute strength. Then, every now and then, just to show I can do that, too, I might flirt a little by hitting one out." - Ichiro
by WhiteWinterHymnal on Jul 16, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the potential answer.
pitches having a “bad 1st half” can have a good 2nd half.
Can they continue..sure. But leave him be.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 16, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone ever think that the bullpen will right itself
Just like it did last year?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 16, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
it's possible
but not a sure thing. that’s probably the biggest variable and risk that fans are thinking about: can we afford to take the chance that the bullpen will fix itself with no changes from the outside (bring guys up from the farm, but not get anyone in a trade)
and a lot
depends on how our rivals perform in relation to us especially for the next month. If the Sox wane even further and fall out of the race, the need may not be so dire to “fix” anything. But if it stays a close 3-team race, we’ll need something to happen, either a trade or the bullpen to fix itself.
I look at it this way...
They’ve gotten this far already with possibly a shakier bullpen then last year, and this year we’re doing better. If the bullpen rights itself, then we’re looking even more dangerous than ever. If not, we’re still on pace to finish with the best record in baseball, and we’re going into the Postseason with 5 pitchers who look incredible.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 16, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The biggest problem
is the loss of Aceves, that hurt. It’s funny, coming into the season the bullpen seemed like one of our strengths. After last season who’da thunk Robertson and Joba would have regressed the way they have. So yes, maybe it could right itself if those two turn it around.
Yeah, losing Aceves definitely didn't help.
However, despite all the concern, I still have high hopes for Joba. To be honest, I think he’s gonna have a bounce back 2nd half.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 16, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
and yes, Aceves was the man, especially in his relief appearances in Joba’s shortened (3-inning) starts.
We would definitely be in better shape with him back.
Sadly, I doubt we're seeing him this year.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i know
probably the worst news as far as the active team is concerned. Obviously, off the field, it’s the passing of Steinbrenner and Sheppard.
I’m hoping that Steinbrenner’s passing has inspired the whole team to go balls to the wall from now until the end of the playoffs, all in honor of the Boss. I know it can’t be an 80-game winning streak but I hope there’s a spark of life in those who had been underperforming in the first half. Imagine what our record would be if Tex, A-Rod, Granderson, Joba, and Robertson were performing up to their potential (or in the case of Tex and A-Rod, their career norms)?
I'm sure they'll be motivated as ever to go out and win one for Steinbrenner
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly, you're correct
I hate admitting Jeter isn’t at or near his best… but it’s true.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
it's actually
pretty crazy to even contemplate the number of wins if:
- pen didn’t blow games
- Bad AJ didn’t show up for 7 starts
- Vazquez didn’t get off to such a slow start
- and the offense provided more support when the starters were pitching lights out (hat-tip to AJ, Hughes, Vazquez, and Andy, all of whom had a great start or two with only 1 or 2 runs in support that were squandered by the bullpen or they lost the lead in their last inning of pitching).
See why I'm so optimistic?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 16, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
As good as Javy has been lately, can you imagine if he'd gotten some run support?
For the guy almost everyone wanted to give up on, he’s definitely earned his spot after turning it around.
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jul 16, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I’m proud to say I never jumped ship on Javier. However, I will confess that I have officially jumped ship on Park
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Real reason why this is happening
Edwar Ramirez has a voodoo doll of every member of the bullpen but Mo.
"Chicks who dig home runs aren't the ones who appeal to me. I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. I'd rather impress the chicks with my technique than with my brute strength. Then, every now and then, just to show I can do that, too, I might flirt a little by hitting one out." - Ichiro
by WhiteWinterHymnal on Jul 16, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
Yes
I miss Baby-E
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
We let go of him to make room for CHOP
wouldn’t mind doing the opposite at this point
"Chicks who dig home runs aren't the ones who appeal to me. I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. I'd rather impress the chicks with my technique than with my brute strength. Then, every now and then, just to show I can do that, too, I might flirt a little by hitting one out." - Ichiro
by WhiteWinterHymnal on Jul 16, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwar is currently sucking in the A's bullpen.
pretty much a wash.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, he sucked in the A's bullpen
now he’s in AAA
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jul 16, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
lets beat them rays
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Some guy just called into WFAN and said the following...
“I have three relievers for the Yankees… Dotel, Hoffman and Wood”
… good lord.
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JOBA
we don’t need to get rid of him,he lighting up the gun at 97 mph. but he can’t locate that fastball,or throw his curve for a strike. he needs help with his mechanics,send him to AAA for a stint maybe. but he has way to much upside to ditch him.
looking forward to #28
He's OCCASIONALLY lighting up the gun at 97
When he does, he’s great. When he doesn’t, forget about it.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 16, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
bullpen
Perhaps Nova deserves a longer look, even though he is a starter in Scranton. I have mentioned Venditte before even though his stuff may be fringy. He creates match-up troubles that may make up for his lack of velocity, and he does seem to be smart and able to stand pressure. Being new, he may benefit from being unknown for a while. Lord willing, we will reach the post-season, and then a starter can help in the bullpen. Soria sounds like the best choice on the trade market.
bullpen trades
Cash needs to be smart about this. Soria scares me because he has zero postseason experience and he would be a setup man rather than a closer. Even though every save and supplemental win in KC is a rare occurance and “important”, where is the pressure? What will we give up to get this guy? If Cash can pull a Swisher for Betamit -type deal its a no-brainer, but anything else could be a repeat of Jeff Weaver coming to the Bronx. There has to be someone buried beneath the marquee names that has playoff experience and the intangibles to help us out. Cash needs to channel Bob Watson on this one.
by total hermination on Jul 16, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
My thoughts
I’m going to split this up by topic so sorry for the number of comments.
Thought one: Why trade Joba just for the sake of Joba? The guy can still be a great pitcher, the Yankees just need to wait it out. If he continues hurting his value it’s a different story.
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Thought two: Former Blue Jays
I would love to have Downs or League. League has nasty stuff and the capability to be a solid arm out of the pen.
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"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."
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Thought three: before doing anything, try Albaladejo
Why trade when the solution might be in the minors?
Writer for Pinstripe Alley
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."
R.I.P. Bob Sheppard, George Steinbrenner
upgrade ur eight inning man.
no one wants chamberlain in a playoff game… if u do, ur retarded. If we dont trade him we should at least give him the role of the long man. eat up some innings if burnett or javi decide to have a blowout early in the game.
I would go after scott downs. Not sure if the blue jays would be willing to upgrade another bullpen of their division, but its worth a shot.
We def need to unload chan ho park no matter what. Hes worse than joba.
Do not use that word
Consider this your warning
Writer for Pinstripe Alley
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."
R.I.P. Bob Sheppard, George Steinbrenner
Seconding that
There is no place here for deragatory nonsense like that. We ask for, no we EXPECT, intelligence from the people who comment here. Be better than that, or be gone.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 16, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Heres what I would do in trying to improve the bullpen internally first:
First, we need to get Mitre back healthy. I didn’t think I would be saying this at the beginning of the season but we need him. To my surprise and many others, Mitre has pitched very well. With Aceves out for probably the year, we need someone to be that jack of all trades type out of the pen and I am starting to believe Mitre could be that.
Next, I would bring up both Jonathan Albaladejo and Romulo Sanchez. Albaladejo’s performance may have been up and down in the past but with the year he having down in Scranton he at least deserves another chance. Also, I don’t believe that Sanchez was moved to relief just to help Scranton. With the type of stuff he has I thinking the Yankees believe he can contribute to our bullpen. Hopefully not only do these guys get called-up but also get to pitch in important spot. Use them in spots that you would use Joba and D-Rob so that you can create some competition amoung the relievers.That will bring out the best in Joba and D-Rob.
Now in order to make room for Mitre ,Albaladejo and Sanchez we need to get rid of 3 relievers and those need to be: Mosley, Gaudin and finally the garbage that is Chan Ho Park. With Mitre back there will be no need for Gaudin anymore because all gaudin is doing is taking up a roster spot. The only reason we have Mosley here is because of his opt out clause but he really fill no role for us. As far as Park goes, you know how I feel and he needs to finally be released. There is no need for Mosley, Gaudin and Park because all any of them have been is mop-up guys.
Fixing the bullpen
In regards to Joba…..
of course nobody wants joba chamberlain as their setup man for the post season with those numbers but people lets face it, the yankees have tons of faith in him and i am almost positive he will turn it around for the team in the 2nd half. He just needs to learn to not be afraid of certain batters and try to dance his way around em by throwing breaking balls in the dirt, he has the stuff to just blaze it by them! yes he wont throw 98-100mph anymore but if that were the case he would be on the DL recovering from tommy johns.
With the rest of the bullpen…
I agree by calling up albaledejo esp because he does he the stuff to be a solid middle relief guy and he has been doing a phenomenal job @ SWB. It will only be a matter of time before we get Mitre back and Robertson will be fine but they really need to do something with the god awful combo of GAUDIN AND PARK b4 the trade deadline, all they need to do for the pen is catch lightening in a bottle like they did with Aaron smalls and Shawn Chacon a few years back.

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