Around the Yankee Galaxy: Oh, Javy
by Travis G on Jul 11, 2010 4:00 AM EDT
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You've got to feel for Javy Vazquez today. He out-pitched one of the game's top hurlers for seven innings and ended up with nothing to show for it (at least in the W-L column).
Joba continues his inconsistent (to put it mildly) season, and is making a case to be pushed down in the bullpen pecking order. Maybe an eighth inning combination of D-Rob and Marte would fare better, at least for the time being? At the very least, he's making it clear that bullpen help is a priority at the trade deadline.
- In place of the suddenly injured Robbie Cano will step Nick Swisher to take part in the Home Run Derby. He already got the green light from the front office if you were hoping they wouldn't let him participate.
- More details are emerging about the trade that didn't happen:
So the Mariners apparently got cold feet due to David Adams' bum ankle - hearing about it, Seattle's back out became more understandable: what should take a couple weeks to return from has kept him out six weeks now. It's worse than initially expected.
Seattle then asked for Adam Warren (2009 4th-round draft pick) in place of Adams. The Yankees agreed. Then Seattle asked for Eduardo Nunez too. The Yanks balked and Seattle took Texas' offer.
- Experts have been comparing Jesus Montero to Justin Smoak the last 36 hours trying to figure out which is a better prospect and who fits better with the M's. This is the best take I've read -
The question is less that than whether or not this was the best possible deal for Lee, and there, I'm less supportive. There's the matter of the player they didn't get, in the much-reported, much-anticipated, never-consummated Yankees/Mariners package deal: Jesus Montero. I know that I'd rather have him than Smoak, so seeing this transpire in its place leaves me a bit disappointed from Seattle's perspective. Whatever the virtues of the supporting players in the package from Texas, so much stuff ends up not adding up, while Montero's 2010 season is a disappointment, so too has Smoak's campaign been, and Smoak's 2009 didn't exactly live up to his billing as a blue-chip prospect either. The difference - between a 20-year-old prospect who might be the best young hitter in the minors, and a 23-year-old who isn't - puts a ton of pressure for the remainder of this package to live up to [Seattle GM Jack] Zduriencik's confidence in them...
The consensus is that Smoak fits better into Seattle's plan due to being a plus defender and switch-hitter (whereas the righty Montero would be hampered by Safeco's spacious left-field).
- Meanwhile, Cliff Lee threw a 95-pitch complete game for the Rangers... but allowed six runs on nine hits (including a season-high three homers).
- Jesus said, "I will not be traded," then walloped his seventh homer of the year -
Montero just hit a homer into the trees in right field. That is a shot for a left-handed hitter. I've never seen a righty do it.
Actually, Montero said the following after last night's game -
... all my dreams are with this team. Whatever they do, I’m going to have to live with it. But I want to stay here. I love the Yankees.
- Andrew Brackman did thus against the Bowie Baysox -
99 mph on the black ends the inning... Goodness.
Though he ultimately didn't finish well (4.2 ip, 5 h, 4 er, 3 bb, 8 k), the velocity and K's are certainly encouraging.
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Jesus Wants to Be a Yankee...
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
feel for javy
magnificent, but it just happened. hopefully he can carry over
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
I was glad we got to hang onto Montero.
I might not be understanding this right, but Seattle took the less of the two players that is three years older cause the park favors lefties?? Even if this is true I would take the better player so I control him and if I don’t want him I can always trade him for someone else. Does not make sense to me but I am not a general manager.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Guess we cant win them all
That pic of Javy is very fitting. Joba is going to have bad games, just have to live with it. The offense needs to provide more than a run to have a decent chance to win.
WRONG,
we dont have to live with it,joba has proven without a doubt that he is not pitching at the major league level right now,maybe he can turn it around,he just needs to work on his mechanics and learn to locate again. hes was hitting the gun at 97mph last night so his arm is good but his head is screwed up. he must be sent down until he improves or he need to get released
looking forward to #28
"Or he needs to get released"
Dumbest thing I’ve heard today. Congratulations.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jul 11, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Montero was a switch hitter?
anywho, I like the Marte and Robertson deal in the 8th. I’ve always liked Marte for the setup spot cuz the guy always was a 8th/9th inning guy.
Good to hear that Brackman’s velocity is getting back up. He may not be doing great overall, but maybe he’s the touted prospect to go and help the Yanks in the pen this year?
Bye, Lee :(
Yep
Some of us were discussing Joba into the wee hours this a.m. Joba needs to go to AAA to work out his issues and needs to stay there for the remainder of the year. He just isn’t hacking it at the Major League level anymore. We certainly can not go with him into September in the heat of a pennant race and definitely not into the post season.
Agree... Joba to AAA & trade for a quality 8th inning set-up man
by YANKEES FOREVER on Jul 11, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you think quality 8th inning set up men
grows on trees too? If another team already has one, not going to unload him?
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jul 11, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
A non-contending team will dump almost anyone for $$$
by YANKEES FOREVER on Jul 11, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Non-contending teams usually don't have "quality 8th inning set-up men"
For that exact reason.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
probably better off looking within.
any quality 8th inning man is probably overvalued and will cost too much with prospects. Someone in the system can get the job done, whether its Marte or Robertson…maybe they bring up a Joba from the minors again to help…like Andrew Brackman.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 11, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
What they could do
just a suggestion or thought aloud, not saying they should….You can get a closer
from a non-contender, ie, a Kerry Wood (not great this year) or a Soria from K.C., which will cost the Yanks a lote more…Folks keep talking about Joba’s velocity, the
number one issue is first pitch strikes. command is second. Hitters won’t even cough at his slider, when he is behind in the count all inning like last night.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jul 11, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
but that's what I'm saying...
that’s too high a cost. Marte was a closer/setup man when we acquired him. I think he’s better then just a LOOGY, but when you come to NY….not everyone can handle it.
Soria will cost way too much for what he is. Wood isn’t all that good, just a name.
Probably gonna have to offer up someone like Brackman for Wood/Soria…why not just throw Brackman out there?
Worked in 2007
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 11, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
We have plenty of arms in the system who at the least deserve a shot. If not, I was thinking more along the lines of someone like Javier Lopez from the Pirates. Cheap and effective.
yea
go low. I’d rather look for a middle reliever, then move what we got/move up a ready’ish prospect then go for a “good” reliever.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 11, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The same
Javier Lopez who pitched for the Red Sox? How about the other youngster
in their pen, much better option if you are going to trade with the Pirates,
what’s the kid’s name Leek? We don’t need another LH reliever, have Marte,
plus 2 others below at AAA.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jul 11, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I have not geven up on Joba time
although he needs consistency, with that said, win today, 6-1 West Coast trip.
Who wouldn’t have taken that, before they went out west?
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jul 11, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
yea, people were talking like this west coast trip will be a disaster cuz of
when it occured…and it damn near was (and probably should of been) a clean sweep.
Joba’s velocity is still there. Like you said, throwing stricks and command is not.
The Lopez HR was on a high fastball at the letters but out over the plate…not even really a bad pitch actually. And the bases got loaded cuz of some seeing eye BS hits..tho that sort of thing’s been happening to Joba.
Maybe DL him. Maybe send him down, who knows what will work. Maybe just keep him in the bigs, move him out the 8th spot and try and earn it back.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 11, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Javy is as advertised
A solid, if inconsistent, innings eating 4th/5th starter. He might be one of the best 7-7 pitchers in the league.
Will be interesting to see if NY tries to sign him after this season.
Or...
… one of the worst. Ultimately, he only is what he only is. 7-7.
Very happy he’s pitching much better than when he came in — which means he will probably end up 13-11. If he’s eating innings and saving rest of staff I’ll take it this year from a 4/5 guy who probly won’t see much hill time in the post-season
7-7 is more of a reflection of the team not scoring runs...not Javy.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 11, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
you sir are an idiot
2.77 ERA in the Al since the beginning of june…sounds like an Ace to me
Oh - and you're a genius
Go up to ANY contender and ask them if they want to make Javy Lopez their #1.
Don’t mind at all you having a variance of opinion. But THINK before you type next time.
Who is this javy lopez?
I thought ppl were talking about vazquez… You know the guy who dominated the ml lat year and since may has been the best starter not named cc for the yanks. Plus plenty of teams who would take javy as number1 or 2…phillies would be one to make him s number 2., twins, tigers, rangers (he would be their ace there pre cliff lee), number 2 on the angels behind weaver, prolly be an ace on most nl contenders like hell the mets and was the ace on the braves last year…cc had a bad start lat year and finished fine and javy is doing it this year minus the run support.
by lololol on Jul 12, 2010 1:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah -- that guy. Can't pitch
I don’t know why he’s on our staff in the first place.
F’n catchers!
(And people are calling me an idiot!)
he's only our 4th starter
cuz we have 3 very good ones ahead of him. He’s pitching like a solid #2 at this point.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 11, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be nice to give him a stretch
of like 5 starts where we get him 5 runs to see what he can do with it. I’m not a huge Javy fan but he’s been doing his part enough lately to deserve that.
he'd have as many wins as Hughes, Pettitte and Sabathia (that's 11)
if we gave him a stretch of 5 runs per game.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 11, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ultimately its a result
of the other team scoring more runs off our pitching than our team scores of their guys. He’s not totally responsible (last night) but you can’t separate him from the equation. Put all the permutations into the stew and it comes out kinda bland…
Like 7-7
this is starting to become a joke at this point...
his last 4 losses (all after April), the only one that he reall deserved it was the Twins game, where he let up 5 runs. The Yanks only scored 2 runs in that game. TWO.
His the 3 loses, the Yanks have combined for a grand total of ZERO RUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!! How’s he supposed to get a win, even tho he was very good in those games..when the team scores zero runs.
Ultimately…your teams scores ZERO RUNS, that ain’t on the pitcher cuz the best he can do is a no decision.
Bye, Lee :(
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 11, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
5 x 5's a good number
Lets get Javy 5 over his next 5 and see where we stand. He’s been pitching his tail off, no doubt.
Joba's Inconsistency will cost us a "BIg One" Someday
We ned to get a veteran 8th inning set-up man to get the job done consistently so Mo can save.
Javy has pitched well since mid-May and if we gave him decent run support & quality relief should have 2 or 3 more wins.
We need a quality set-up man & power OF before the trade deadline.
by YANKEES FOREVER on Jul 11, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
" The Yanks balked and Seattle took Texas' offer"
From what I read, Seattle had asked for Nunez previously as well (weeks earlier),
Yanks had already said no then and again this time. It was then Seattle told Texas, throw in Smoak, and you got Lee.
Right now, we need the get the eighth inning straightened out, Mr. Eiland please work with patient #2.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
any chance of Nunez coming up in the second half to supplant Pena?
look, it's CashMonay , bitches! you down with da O.P.P... Cash does, give it up !
No
Why? Your possible #1 SS prospect needs to play every day and get at bats, not sit.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jul 11, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
they have been playing at various infield positions in AAA lately
Pena has been getting ‘semi’ regular playing time due age and injuries of older player. So if Nunez does come up he will probably get similar playing time which amounts to 2-3 days of the week. He won’t be taking over for jeter any time soon and his role with the yankees will prolly be a super utility type if he does indeed stick with them in the future. Unless he is a trade bait , which is always possible in YankeeU , i don’t see too much harm in bringing him over and possibly strengthening the bench.
look, it's CashMonay , bitches! you down with da O.P.P... Cash does, give it up !
Pena
has been getting more playing time of late, last night he started cuz Jeter was 6-45,
secondly it is late in the first half of the season, typically a time when older players
start to get tired…It doesn’t matter if Nunez, is playing other positions at AAA now,
you think the M’s asked for him twice to be a utlity player for them in the future?
Needs to play every day, Pena is doing his job, what is the rush to have him here?
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
Sharks have a week dedicated to HIM.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jul 11, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Move...Montero is a keeper
We will get Lee after the 2010 season. Sometimes the best deal is one that is never done. We have enough starting pitching right now to be successful in the playoffs
Montero will be starting catcher in 2012. We should have kept Jackson, Coke & Kennedy instead of Granderson but it was a gamble that has not paid off yet???
by YANKEES FOREVER on Jul 11, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Is it too late to trade Joba's Ass?
Or has he lost all of his value?
What a horrible, horrible performance by Joba, maybe one of his worst ever.
by The Last Shall Become First on Jul 11, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
and the Red Sox can trade Bill Hall for Ryan Howard
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look, it's CashMonay , bitches! you down with da O.P.P... Cash does, give it up !
I love Montero's enthusiasm.
Really makes me look forward to him becoming a Yankee. I also like that Brackman’s velocity and overpowering stuff is returning, he was a very high-ranked prospect not long ago.
As far as Joba goes… I don’t know what you can do. I’m hoping that if they have a lead again today, they hand the ball to Joba and he sends them down 1-2-3. That would be such a boon to his confidence going into the break. That being said, if he starts to get into any trouble, I think you need to give D-Rob or Marte a shot at relieving him. His job is not secure.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Joba, Javy: Pitching vs. Offense
It has to be said again… Yes – Joba blew that game. And, the rest of the mid-relievers are inconsistent. But… The pitching is not really the problem …
Most of the ‘big guns’ have had off years.. .so far! Tex, ARod, Jeter, Grandy (that’s half of the lineup!) If the production was there, a lot less pressure is placed on EVERY pitch! The beginning of the season was especially horrid – Cano, Cervelli and Gardner carried the team…
But.. think about it…
But.. think about it… Tex is finally waking up … FINALLY. Looks like ARod is starting to awaken .. Jeter? Grandy? Cano, Swish, and Gardner seem to be keeping it going…
But.. think about it… Tex is finally waking up … FINALLY. Looks like ARod is starting to awaken .. Jeter? Grandy? Cano, Swish, and Gardner seem to be keeping it going…And last I checked, the Yanks are on a VERY good pace.
Hopefully… the offense will be firing on at least 7 cylinders come post-season. The team’s offense needs to be good enough to bail out a bad inning from the pen.
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