Granderson vs. Jackson
by Travis G on Jun 25, 2010 6:32 PM EDT
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Curtis Granderson's wRC+ is 112. Austin Jackson's is 111.
The first 30 games of Jackson's career: .371/.420/.508. The last 33: .230/.276/.302. This is what happened to him last year in Scranton: he started off torrid, then slumped most of the second half. His ML numbers are almost identical to last season in Triple-A: .300/.354/.405 vs. .302/.350/.407. While those are nice numbers, one homerun isn't going to cut it with the Yankees. Even Brett Gardner has three (and a 139 wRC+).
This isn't meant to bash Austin Jackson, but to show that the guy we got in return is a pretty good player himself.
Despite Granderson batting just .246 and OBP'ing .321, his power (.455 SLG) makes up for a lot of that. And remember: he missed about four weeks with a hamstring injury. Since his return, he's slugged .529 in 25 games.
No, Granderson will probably never match Jackson's batting average, but Jackson will probably never reach Grandy's power.
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Guess Journeyman doesn't suck that bad...TRADE HIM FOR AAJXXXX
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Um...
Are you really comparing a rookie to someone who’s actually been around several years? Is this really happening?
When this Jackson kid actually has some real numbers to put up, then we can actually compare, but a few games here and there really isn’t much. Just sayin’…
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I dont mind the comparison
I understand what you are getting at about AJax being a rookie. But on the flip side, doesn’t Granderson, who has a decent resume, deserve a little better than all the “I cant believe we gave up AJax for this guy stuff”? AJax had a nice start but can he sustain it? With all the knocks on the Granderson deal, I really cant think of too many times the Yankees have traded a top spect and he turned into a big star and made them regret it. Sure, guys like McGriff, Buhner and Drabek come to mind, but for the most part, the Yankees have a better track record in this department than most teams.
yeah at least the yanks didn't trade the future best SS in the game for sum douche with a goatee
and leave a gaping hole in the position for years to come
That Sox trade actually worked though
Sure trading away Hanley sucks but they got a title out of it. Winning a title is more important than having a great SS. They even got a ton out of Lowell who they had to take, not because they wanted him. When I look at awful trades of young players, Im talking stuff like the Mets trading away Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi.
haha yea
but in the longer term tho i woulda kept hanely but no one saw that coming. Yea that nolan ryan trade was pretty dumb. then again alot of mets trades haven’t worked even recently like that 12 player trade for jj putz.
Even though he isnt as good as thought, Kazmir for Zambrano was another Mets joke
And the Cone trade was dumb too. And the Dykstra one too. I could probably spend the rest of the day on bad Mets trades,lol.
Rick Peterson: "It just won't work with Kazmir. GIMME BIG Z!"
He probably thought it was Carlos Zambrano (y’know, before Carlos went batshit crazy)
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Sorry...
I have to get this off my chest because it’s starting to dig at me. Whoever put the “Waiting for Jesus” piece on the home page please take it down. It looks like he will be in Scranton for quite some time (if not sent back to Trenton) based on his numbers.
Montero’s Scranton Stats:
Season (65 games): .235/.298/.378, 22 R, 25 RBI, 21 BB, 48 K
Defense: 63 SB allowed, 16 CS, 10 PB, 4 E
Can we have a “Waiting for Albaladejo” line instead? Or “Waiting for Aceves”?
Did you seriously just compare Jesus Montero to Jonathan Albaledejo? Cmon man.
Jesus has an extremely low BABIP, while still hitting the ball hard, drawing walks, and not striking out very much. He’s gotten ridiculously unlucky so far this season, but yeah, I guess that means we can compare one of the best hitters in the minors and the youngest player in all of AAA to Jon friggin Albaladejo.
by Lord Duggan on Jun 25, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No comparison...
All I’m saying is there are other players that are closer to playing in the Bronx than Jesus. Especially where the Yanks need help, the sorry ass bullpen. Minus Mo, I get acid reflux watching CHoP, Gaudin, and to some extent Joba cough up leads or make the games out of reach. I’m not saying Albaladejo’s success in AAA is somehow going to translate in the Majors but at least give him a chance to prove it.
No knock on Montero, I’m sure he will straighten himself out at some point. It’s just RIGHT NOW there are some folks at AAA that are doing better than him and don’t get recognition on PSA.
He is hitting 250 now.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 27, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong...
With updates, but when the guy sucks as long as he has this season then the update would be if he started hitting north of .250 or threw out a runner.
Thats not really fair
Grandy missed a boatload of time due to injury, he has played better since coming back too. Where would this team be if they had AJax instead of Grandy? I dont think there is anywhere higher than first place, maybe im wrong.
Oh, my bad
That isnt right either though. Nothing wrong with updates on our #1 prized prospect. You dont like it, dont read it.
He is the youngest player in the IL
He is going to struggle, he is only 20 years old. The beauty of being a Yank, is he doesnt have to be rushed.
"he is only 20 years old"
There have been, are, and will be many a twenty year old doing well in the majors. Several have been called up around the majors this season alone. Romine is our next long term catcher. Montero will either DH or be traded.
even more 20 year olds have struggled in the minors
doesn’t even parlay into their future success either.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 26, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind
this kid came from Venezuela at age 16, not only adjusting to AAA, he is still making adjustments to everyday life in this country. It also takes a bit longer for catchers to develop, whether he stays a catcher is yet to be determined?
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
He is the life of the party, even when he doesn't attend.
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Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jun 26, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
not really with catchers
there have been 13 21-yo or younger catchers in history to ever post an OPS+ over 100, and none since 1981.
Granderson's career trend is ugly
His OPS over the last 4 years (2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010) has been .913, .858, .780, and .776, respectively. Not a promising trend. In fact, it suggests that his best days may be behind him. On the other hand, AJax’s numbers can be expected to improve over time, since few major leaguers peak in their rookie season.
he's 28...i doubt his best years are behind him
his BABIP in the last 2 years have been the lowest in his career. his Line drive % has actually gotten up and his GB% is lowered and his Fb% has remained the same. Basically right now he’s hitting more line drives but the reason some of his numbers are down are due to luck. He’s a career .300 BABIP but this year and last year it was only at .270ish. The only real sign i see is that he’s King a bit more this year than before..but he’s facing better pitchers from the AL East.
DFA the Journeyman.
If only we had the best CF in baseball, AJax… truly a God.
No but seriously, I am very comfortable with Curtis in center. AJax will probably get better and maybe become a good player, but they traded the future for the player they predicted AJax would become. So basically hit the Fast-Forward button on AJax to get Curtis now. I was unsure at first, but now I feel much better about Granderson. He should be a good player for us in the next few years, and even if he regresses, he’s only under contract through 2012 (with an option for ’13).
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Yes AJax...
May someday cut down to 130 k’s a year, bat around .280, and hit ten homers. Sure, he just may play defense like a 38 year old Mike Cameron. No matter what, he’ll always be remembered as having ‘tremendous athletic potential’. So, I’ll give him 1/2 of any part of Grandy.
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by SteveBalboniHOF on Jun 26, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions
Coke and Jackson for Granderson
Two players were traded for Granderson, did we forget?? Phil Coke who is 5-0 with a 3.00 ERA in 34 games, and who is our missing Lefty out of the Pen. Did anyone see the catch Jackson made in the almost “perfect” game ruined by a blown call on the last out?? Unbelievable. And did anyone see his catch the next game on the highlights?? I still can’t believe what I saw. The Tigers believe he is already a better CF than Granderson. Remember, Detroit gave up on Granderson after 5 yrs. Last yr. down the pennant stretch, he simply did not hit or get on base and was one of the reasons Detroit lost its 7 game lead. His worse months are August and Sept. so we have that to look forward to. This was a bad trade and I said it when it was made. Granderson will be gone after this season. Cashman won’t keep a CF hitting .240 striking out 120+. (Jackson was out for almost 2 weeks with back spasms, the reason his average has dropped recently. ) Jackson is only 23. He will get better. Granderson is at his peak. Aren’t you already tired of Grandy’s strikeouts with men on base game after game?? Girardi already sits him against good lefties acknowledging he cannot hit them. With this trade, we lost a very good Lefty stopper out of the pen who we now miss and a sensational rookie who would have become a fixture for years in CF.
Didn’t someone say Jackson could catch the ball ass-less? I’m still laughing about that.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 26, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
Coke
Yes. Coke appeared in 70 games for us last year and performed very well. He was instrumental in holding many games and stopping opposing team rallies. I watched almost every game in 2009 and Coke was a valuablel middle reliever. I thought he was under appreciated but the fact that he appeared in 70 games proves Girardi had faith in his ability. He is greatly missed this season as we have no reliable Lefty middle man in the pen.
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