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Did Winfree Walk Away From A Promotion?

Couldn't find a picture of Curtis or Winfree so this will have to do.

David Winfree seemed like a solid player throughout spring training and the beginning of the minor league season. It looked as if he didn't have a real shot with the major league team, considering they had other outfielders on the 40-man roster. Now that Colin Curtis has been recalled, did Winfree walk away from his MLB debut? Winfree left the team on June 15th and signed a minor league deal with the Mariners last night. He was able to do this because of a clause in his contract.

He had a clause in his contract that allowed him, for only one day, to explore his own options. If he found an organization willing to put him on its 40-man roster, the Yankees would have to release him so he could sign there. I do not know for certain if Winfree found an opportunity, or if the Yankees just flat released him. But today was the day for Winfree to go looking, and obviously, he’s no longer a Yankee.

Star-divide

As of this second, Winfree is not on the Mariners 40-man roster. He very well may be in the exact same situation that he left in New York.

With Colin Curtis' call-up (he was not on the 40 man roster) and Winfree's stats being better than Curtis', could it have been Winfree that got the call up instead of Curtis? Yes. It is not know for sure, but it is definitely possible that Winfree walked away from an MLB debut.

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If I recall

he is a right handed bat, Yanks wanted another LH bat, since ‘Zona has no lefthanders on it’s entire roster. If the kid wants to get to the majors faster, can’t say I blame him though. What happened to Miranda rights?

His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
He is the life of the party, even when he doesn't attend.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."

by Great Gatsby on Jun 23, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Sucks for him...

I dunno what the hell Winfree’s thinking. The M’s may guaranteed a 40 man spot, but I dunno how his path to the league is any easier with the M’s. Mike Saunders, Ichiro, Franklin Gutierrez and the immortal Milton Bradley…that’s 4 OF’s on the roster already.

I hope he’s got a clause in his contract to change his mind…again. He’s a decent player who I would’ve rather seen called up then Curtis.

KEEP LEE!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 23, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

When I mentioned "faster"

I was talking about long term, not necessarily 2010, who knows what the kid was thinking?

His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
He is the life of the party, even when he doesn't attend.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."

by Great Gatsby on Jun 23, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Winfree-fall

Can’t blame the kid … No one has a crystal ball except Obama, and he’s not sharing it — especially with ballplayers (have you seen him throw?). Anyway, I wish Winfree well, he’s a local product, and a good kid.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Jun 23, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

-1

for the gratuitous political insult. Check out the community guidelines, please.

by HilltopPark on Jun 23, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

political insult?

I didn’t realize Obama attempting to toss a baseball was political. If you read my post (and I suspect you didn’t) you’d realize that what I wrote was, in fact not a political insult at all. It was an athletic insult — similar to any of the threads and posts made on this site about everyone from AJ Burnett to my personal favorite Blower Sans.

Perhaps you should review the community guidelines, my friend.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Jun 23, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe no one else.....

liked your crystal ball…..good one.

Rick
Goooooooooooo MSU BOBCATs
MONTANA STATE UNIVERSITY
Almost 60 years as a YANKEE Fan

by ramyankee on Jun 23, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kudos

To Curtis, first major league hit & RBI.

His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
He is the life of the party, even when he doesn't attend.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."

by Great Gatsby on Jun 23, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. Congrats to the young man

"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel

by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jun 23, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Go ahead.....

caption this one…..

Rick
Goooooooooooo MSU BOBCATs
MONTANA STATE UNIVERSITY
Almost 60 years as a YANKEE Fan

by ramyankee on Jun 23, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was the most epic finish to a match ever!

"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials

by Edgware on Jun 23, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I did what Donovan did after the goal lol

"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials

by Edgware on Jun 23, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yowza, i did

"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials

by Edgware on Jun 23, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who does USA play in next round?

"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel

by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jun 23, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd place team from Group D

Not known yet

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by Brandon C. on Jun 23, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Germany or Ghana?

"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel

by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jun 23, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Serbia or the Aussies

Everyone in that group has a way to make the next round

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jun 23, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Serbia I think

"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"

by groot on Jun 23, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

incredible.

I hope they get ze Germans next round. Some payback is due

KEEP LEE!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 23, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

true...

talking about the 2002 World Cup.

KEEP LEE!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 23, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be very happy to let the Brits

Take on the Krauts next round. I have a bunch of British guys I work with here at the studio. They were beaming today until I reminded them that the USA won the group in what amounts to our 5th most popular team sport in this country.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 23, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was

unbelievable. the most dramatic soccer match i’ve ever seen (as far as being emotionally involved). just incredible.

by Travis G on Jun 23, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

and who says a

1-0 game can’t be exciting?

by Travis G on Jun 23, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the exception to the rule

It took 90 minutes of kick kick miss kick kick kick miss kick kick kick miss kick kick GOAL! wait, phantom penalty…fuck, klck kick kick miss miss kick kick kick YES!!!!!

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 23, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't say

every 1-0 game was exciting, only that they can be. and if you didn’t think the first 90 minutes were exciting, i dont know what to tell you.

by Travis G on Jun 23, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

nothing you can tell me

Being raised watching NFL, MLB, NHL and NBA has taught me watching men run for 90 minutes in knee high socks kicking a volleyball around and most of the time the most excitement comes from ALMOST scoring is not my cup of tea. It would be like cheering when a dude ALMOST got a base hit. I admire these players, probably most athletic men in the world, I am a patriot so I love watching my country compete. But overall I find Soccer boring, about as boring as I would find baseball if I came from the other side of the pond. Well maybe more so because at least in Baseball you don’t leave the field until there is a winner, and in elimination matches a baseball games that is tied doesn’t get resolved by a home run derby.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 23, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry you cant see it

the rest of the world does.

you could easily trivialize any sport the way you just did: (US) football is watching men in tights move for 3 seconds, stop for 40, run a bit for 3 more, stop another 40, repeat until the game is over. the WSJ said there is 11 minutes of actual playing in an NFL game. for as much as you might hate soccer, it has 90 minutes of actual playing. more than a typical MLB, NBA and NFL game combined. yet the game is over in about 2 hours, they dont drag it out with commercials at every opportunity to make it last 3 hours.

by Travis G on Jun 23, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate the “rest of the world likes it” argument. That’s like saying “American Idol is the best, most interesting show! Look at how many 40 year old women watch it!” The rest of the world has grown up with only soccer, because it takes just about no money to play soccer, whereas it does to play American sports.

You think they can afford American football pads and equipment to get to the mainstream in a bunch of African countries? Not at all. So, they start playing soccer, which is cheap, their kids play soccer, and it becomes a cultural thing.

In America, we can choose any sport we want, as we have a ton of money, and a ton of exposure to different cultures. And does soccer get picked? Not until we’re done with baseball, football, basketball, and hockey. And that’s not an accident.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 23, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not a soccer fan, dont ever watch it

I watched today’s game though, and I must say it was as exciting as a sport can be. Maybe it was the drama of the circumstances of win or go home. But for the first time in a long time, it didnt feel like media created hype or drama, it was real, and it was awesome.

by YankeesJets on Jun 23, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I watched a friendly and it was the most boring thing I’ve ever watched.

But today’s match is up there among the greatest games I’ve ever seen.

"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials

by Edgware on Jun 23, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's probably because it's the easiest to organize

I’ve got nothing against soccer, I actually like it a lot (not as much as any of the other 4), but it’s sometimes hard to watch with the low scoring.

But with circumstances like this it was truly awesome.

"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials

by Edgware on Jun 23, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much this, and the fact that boys and girls can play soccer, even together.

Girls don’t play baseball, they play softball, and they don’t play football at all.

So it’s not really fair to make that claim. And you aren’t really “bursting my bubble,” it’s not like I’ve got a vendetta against soccer, I just don’t like the continual effort to sell it as something that it’s not.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 23, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a great game, but the pansies faking injuries annoys the hell outta me

Basketball was the first game I watched so I got used to high scores.

I doubt I’ll ever attend an MLS game, but if the U.S. gets another World Cup, I’ll attempt to go to a game.

"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials

by Edgware on Jun 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

no one likes to see players flopping. unfortunately, it also happens in the NBA and is essentially the same as a catcher framing pitches or a batter making an exaggerated gesture when a pitch is inside: they’re all trying to influence the official.

soccer could use more refs on the field. no argument there.

by Travis G on Jun 23, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw more refs

How about instant replay so these phantom penalties don’t effect goals, especially considering the low scoring nature of the sport.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 23, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

no problem there. pretty much all sports should have instant replay, including soccer and baseball. you didn’t forget Jim Joyce, did you?

by Travis G on Jun 23, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet again you seem to pick a bone with me

Somehow you equate my request for FIFA IR with me not wanting MLB IR? That’s your implication yet no where did I even mention it. Someone grumpy today?

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 23, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

my whole point was that a 1-0 match could be exciting. you responded with a snarky comment.

i defended myself and then you went off on an anti-soccer rant. talk about being grumpy.

by Travis G on Jun 23, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

I sense tension between two mods, lol

by Yankees10 on Jun 23, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, everything’s gravy. There’s probably not a single person on here who I’m going to agree with about everything. Travis makes good points, and I’m happy to listen and reconsider.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 23, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i understand

that a lot of Americans can’t fathom why so many people enjoy soccer. i admit i used to be that way. a combination of factors led to me becoming a moderately big soccer fan.
it didn’t happen overnight.

just like i understand how some people think a 1-0 baseball game can be boring, i understand how some think a 1-0 soccer match is boring. it all depends on the quality of play.

btw, did you see today’s game?

by Travis G on Jun 23, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I didn’t catch it.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 23, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I feel like this isn’t really accurately showing my feelings for soccer. I’m not really one of the “it’s for girls and sissies” type of dudes (unless some soccer hooligan tries to tell me how its the greatest thing ever).

Like I watched most of the first half of the Ghana vs. Germany match today. I just think that there are other sports available that are considerably more enjoyable to watch and talk about, and I get annoyed by the continual efforts to “sell” soccer in this country as this “greatest game in the world” every time some big soccer event comes up. And the idea that any American who doesn’t like soccer is “ethnocentric” and “doesn’t care about the rest of the world,” etc.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 23, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

then i urge you

to watch the US game.

sure, Germany-Ghana isn’t much fun bc you (and I) hardly care about the outcome. but when you are invested in a team, the game becomes exponentially more exciting. same for any sport. i couldn’t watch a Brewers-Pirates game.

you certainly don’t have to enjoy soccer. just know that there are many people who do.

i had a roommate who loved soccer, yet it still took me years after to become a fan myself.

i just dont like when people (usually Americans) feel a need to tear it down and to make others know how much they dislike it.

by Travis G on Jun 24, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not opposed to watching the U.S. game, and if I have some time when it’s on, I’ll probably put it on, but I feel like it would be wrong to start acting like a “huge U.S. soccer fan” when I haven’t cared about them ever before.

In my opinion, it’s essentially bandwagoning rapped in patriotism to all of a sudden care about soccer now that your country is in the 2nd round of the World Cup.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 24, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong

with watching it every four years and showing a little “patriotism”. It’s no different than the Olympics where there are many sports I couldn’t care less about any other time of any given year. The only Hockey game I ever watched in its entirety occurred when most of you weren’t even born yet. It turned out to be pretty special.

by david d on Jun 24, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

i dont pay attention to track & field, save for the olympics when I’ll root for the US.

by Travis G on Jun 24, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't watch womens gymnastics

But I do watch it in the Olympics. Does that make me a patriotic bandwagonner or a sexually depraved person? Probably yes on both accounts.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 24, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

you’re going to say soccer is the top youth sport merely bc it’s “easy to organize”?

soccer took off here in the early ’90’s. it was just as easy to organize before then. americans just weren’t exposed to it.

going back to your previous point, you wrote:

“In America, we can choose any sport we want, as we have a ton of money, and a ton of exposure to different cultures. And does soccer get picked? Not until we’re done with baseball, football, basketball, and hockey. And that’s not an accident.”

like i wrote previously, it gets picked MORE often than the four sports you named. and soccer awareness in the US will certainly continue to rise.

and your “not an accident” line does imply you think there’s a good reason for people to either not watch or play soccer.

by Travis G on Jun 23, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 20 years

Maybe it will surpass that powerhouse NHL as the 4th most popular sport in the U.S.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 23, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I think soccer at the youth level and soccer at the professional level are entirely different. At the youth level, it’s an easy, cheap, all inclusive game. It’s perfect for kids.

Soccer at the youth level doesn’t have flopping, nil-nil draws, stoppage time when only the ref knows when the game is over, a limited number of substitutions, and isn’t played on a field the size of Texas.

The “not an accident” line refers to the way soccer is not tailored to the American audience, at all. Some of the rules, and some of the things that I’ve listed above, are pretty terrible, and really reduce the “watchability” of a game.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 23, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the youth level, it’s an easy, cheap, all inclusive game. It’s perfect for kids.

like i wrote above, it was the same before its popularity skyrocketed. it didn’t all of a sudden become “easy, cheap & all inclusive” one day. it’s grown as part of our culture. most high schools didn’t even offer it until the 80’s. as more kids play it, the USMNT will continue to improve (as it has over the last 20 years).

re: “watchability” – there’s plenty about baseball and football that some would call unwatchable: awful calls, constant timeouts, breaks and commercials (like I wrote, 15 and 11 mins of actual playing time in each), players acting/faking to get calls their way, etc. “watchability” is purely subjective.

if you want to see lots of points, you’ve got the NBA (which i can barely watch anymore).

by Travis G on Jun 24, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the NFL argument from Rugby and Soccer fans

Show me another sport where a 6’5 240 lbs man who runs a 40 yard sprint in 4 seconds is allowed to get full steam and crush another man’s body and not only not be penalized but be rewarded?

American Football is pure strategy blended with pinnacle of various athletic skills. You have your match of size on the line, huge yet nimble monsters fighting to push the scrimmage line. Linebackers who embody pure acceleration and focused physical violence to assault the ball carrier or penetrate through to the backfield. A wing of defenders who could probably be professional sprinters in charge of defending equally fast receivers who must not only be fast, nimble but must be able to judge the arc of an oblong ball in full sprint while covered by another man who wants to take that ball away or at the very least crush his body.

Then you have your field general who must memorize a dizzying list of plays AND be able to read the defensive scheme on the fly to counter act them at the last second, that man must be able to avoid the defensive monsters that want nothing more than to send him home on a gurney all the while holding that ball to give his assaulting receivers an opportunity to free up in which he then has to throw that oblong ball in a trajectory that avoids being picked off and accurately reach a target that is in full sprint.

You then have your running backs who are usually either explosively fast and nimble or large and can accept tons of physical punishment, whose sole purpose is to grab that oblong ball and either run in between the mountains of men on the line or try and sweep around the corners looking for a split second of an opening, all the while every single man on the other team wants to inflict enough physical trauma that the runner drops the ball.

Football is a the zenith of pure physicality and complex strategy. It is the chess of men. Soccer is the sport of almost pure physicality, strategy has much less of an impact than the quality of players.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 23, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I normally don't enjoy Soccer very much, but that match was AWESOME

I fell to the ground when I heard “And Dempsey’s denied again!” Then ran around the room when Donovan knocked it in.

AMAZING

"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials

by Edgware on Jun 23, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

As did I

This match was the exception. It was tight the whole match and ended in a miracle goal to give the US it’s first group win since 1930. Of course it could have very easily ended in a 0-0 tie forcing the US to go home after NOT losing a single match in the group round and also being robbed 2 goals by horrible officiating. We cry about poor officiating in baseball, our quibbles are nothing compared to the abortion that if FIFA officiating. They don’t even have to tell you WHY they call a foul.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 23, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The schedule from here to the AS game

seems to favor the Yanks. We get a bunch of games vs A’s and Mariners after interleague is over; while Boston and Tampa play each other 5 times.

"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel

by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jun 23, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Hell yeah!

As long as the Blow Sox and the Rays split their series, we could very easily be 3-4 games ahead by the break. Here’s to wishful thinking!

by mattxlegend on Jun 23, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

who cares about what

Writer for Pinstripe Alley.
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Jun 23, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cares enough to post? um...

I can see why he would try the M’s thinking it’s a faster path to MLB. The yanks have been slow in developing a lot of good outfield prospects over recent years. The bubble of Melky, AJax & Gardner is probably the best we’ve seen in years and really only 1 or 2 of them will stick as quality players.

That means the yanks will continue to bring in OF by FA/trades. He has a better shot coming up thru the M’s system.

We don't play for the wild card around here kid

by Jaybat on Jun 23, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

He's not a prospect

When you’re his age and haven’t reached the majors you aren’t thinking longterm you’re thinking how do I reach the majors as quickly as possible even if it means for a few days. He could have been called up ahead of Curtis and that’s the point.

Writer for Pinstripe Alley.
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Jun 23, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same can be said

for Melancon, but a lot of people on PA want him here, myself not included. You don’t know if
they were going to call him up, do you? Earlier this year, they recalled Golson a couple times, not Winfree?

His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
He is the life of the party, even when he doesn't attend.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."

by Great Gatsby on Jun 23, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Golson was on the 40 man roster

Winfree and Curtis both were not.

Writer for Pinstripe Alley.
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Jun 23, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Melancon was on the 40 man

And to further explain why they wouldn’t call up Golson this time he’s dealing with injuries

Writer for Pinstripe Alley.
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Jun 23, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

WINFREE MISTAKE

ALL THE KIDS IN THE MINOR LEAGUES THINK THEY ARE READY FOR A SHOT AT THE BIGS BUT FEWER THAN 12% ACTUALLY DO WELL. THEY ARE LEGENDS IN THEIR OWN MINDS AND WINFREE IS NO EXCEPTION. HE MAY HAVE JUMPED THE GUN AND THE LH OR RH BATTER ARGUEMENT IS LAME—THE YANKS TAKE THEM UP BY WHO CAN DO THE JOB WHETHER LH OR RH—LOOK AT ROBBIE CANO—HE CAME UP AND THEY HAD LH AND SW BATTERS—SO WHY HIM ?? BECAUSE THEY FELT HE COULD HELP THE TEAM IS WHY !! YOU DON’T WIN 27 WS BY MAKING THE WRONG MOVES !!

by spook6 on Jun 24, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

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