Joba's Pitch Selection
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[Took a short break from the "Rival Staffs" thing, but don't worry, they're still going to get finished]
Do you know what's been missing from Pinstripe Alley? Some nice discussion about Joba Chamberlain. With his role established pretty firmly in the bullpen for the 2010 season, there has been a serious lack of Joba talk (other than when the occasional WTF! DFA! after an 8th inning implosion), but luckily for the community, I am here to meet the demand!
Firstly, Joba is not as bad as his 1-3 record or 5.52 ERA would suggest, as supported by his 2.25 FIP, 10.13 K/9, and 2.76 BB/9 on top of a .384 BABIP against, and a 55.6 LOB%, which just scream positive regression. However, there is no point denying that his performance up to this point in the season has been a disappointment (especially in comparison to his past bullpen dominance), so I was interested in looking a little deeper into Joba's performance, and more specifically his pitch selection.
Maybe this is only me, but it seemed like against every batter that Joba has faced this year, he would throw all fastballs early in the count, and then if he reached two strikes, would throw almost exclusively breaking balls in the dirt, hoping for a swing and miss. In a seemingly frustratingly large amount of cases, the hitter simply lays off the slider, and works the count back in their favor.
And if I can pick up on a serious pattern by watching a few games on TV and listening to John Sterling's accurate account of the games, then you'd have to think that opposing batters and hitting coaches with tons of film at their disposal would be all over it.
I there anything to those claims?
We find out after the jump with a large, colorful, graph!

So, uhh, yeah, there is kind of a pattern there isn't there? Early in the count, and when he is behind in the count, Joba is extremely fastball happy, but deep in the count (2-2, 3-2 especially) he close to abandons it in favor of the slider. I think there are a few reasons why he does this. Firstly, Joba is considerably more effective when working from ahead in the count. Proof:
Hitters when Joba throws a 1st Pitch Strike: .188 BA, 24 K, 2 BB
Hitters when Joba throws a 1st Pitch Ball: .310 BA, 9K, 7BB
So, you can understand Joba making a conscious effort to get ahead early in the count by throwing the pitch he is most likely to put through for a strike, but that also means that he's probably giving up a lot of hittable pitches early in the count now that his fastball is 94 MPH and not 98 MPH and he's getting fewer batters to swing and miss, and fewer batters to expand the zone. And in fact, hitters are 7 for 11 (.636) on first pitches so far this year. Very small sample size, but I think the point still stands that he's vulnerable on that first pitch fastball that he throws to about 3 out of every 4 batters he faces.
My Solution: More Curveballs, Less Sliders. Looking back up at his pitch selection chart, Joba doesn't really view his curveball as a "put away" pitch, as he rarely throws it with 2 strikes, but it is a pitch he is confident he can throw for a stirke, as he does throw it earlier in the count. Joba needs a pitch other than the fastball that he can get in the strike zone, and I think that the curve is the perfect pitch for that. And if he doesn't have to show the slider until he already has two strikes on a batter, it will be even harder to distinguish from the fastball.
There is the idea that moving Joba to the bullpen turned him back into a "two pitch pitcher" and unfortunately, his curveball has been a casualty of that transition. However, I think that reintroducing the curve as a way to break up his "fastball early-slider late" formula could really help Joba round back into shape in the 8th inning.
Thoughts? Comments? Concerns? Post Graph Stress?
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Wow. Awesome work.
I totally agree, and I’m completely disappointed by the lack of development in Joba’s curve and change. Not just the lack of development this year, but the lack last year as well. HIs inability to throw his curve and change for strikes last season was probably one of the reasons that “Joba to teh pen!” became a reality.
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Wow, nice job Duggan. Do you know Chamberlains email address by any chance? He needs to see this.
Also, anyone bored wanna watch a funny review for mlb 10 the show should see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXzjetCqeSY
I like the random alligator attacks
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"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials
Joba does have a twitter, lol, maybe we should send it to him
by YankeesJets on Jun 20, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have one!
But I do have it bookmarked…hahahah.
by CAyankeesfan on Jun 20, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
She knows a thing about ambassadors!
"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials
Lets not kill Duggans post guys
Bring it back to the post game post
by YankeesJets on Jun 20, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
or actually Duggan can we get an open thread?
"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials
Makes a lot of sense as to why Joba has looked rather hittable at times.
I think if he works on variation and redeveloping his curve, some of his outings would be a lot less stressful.
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 20, 2010 10:44 PM EDT reply actions
If the graph is getting cut off on the right side (as in you don’t see the 3-2 bar) click on the “Wide” box instead of the “Narrow” box in the upper right
The thing I take away from this post, Joba is very predictable
NOT GOOD
by YankeesJets on Jun 20, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
but as a setup man, his pitches have been staying in yard.
by Scooby Snacks on Jun 20, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Great work
I remember you talking about this the other day. I like the idea of Joba re-developing his curve. Just because he’s not starting (and that’s only for this year, possibly/hopefully) doesn’t mean he can’t work on his curve. I was one of the “Joba to AAA if he’s not starting” camp, but I guess he’s gotta do it here.
by pkyankeefan on Jun 20, 2010 10:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Joba's problem is he just can't seem to work on anything...
Hughes used his great bullpen year and translated it into becoming a dominant starter.
Joba didn’t do that, and now he’s throwing in the pen like he was when he started. Who the hell knows if he’ll ever “snap out of it”, whatever the hell “it” is, but he just hasn’t learned anything.
He’s still a thrower. Hughes was always a “pitcher” and not a thrower, but he’s used the aggressiveness he learned in the pen to his advantage now. He looks exactly as he did coming out of the pen, in the rotation.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 20, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If he can start to incorporate that curvaball into his repertoire more often, and throw it for strikes
he’ll be absolutely filthy.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Yeah, I totally agree.
He really needs to get the Joba done with his change up, because like we said earlier in another thread, he’s one of the most predictable pitchers pitching pitches right now. He always seems to drive the count up to 3-2, which is sad considering how tricky and nasty he can be at times. I really hope they work on his pitches either this season or during the offseason. If he can just learn to keep the pitch count low, I think he could still be a great starter.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jun 21, 2010 12:58 AM EDT reply actions
Good stuff
I do however disagree on one point. You say that Joba is better than his 1-3 record and 5.52 ERA. I say this is not the case. That ERA (the number or runs he allows) and the number losses (games he blows and subsequently loses) are EXACTLY how good he has been this year. His additional numbers (e.g. FIP, K/9, BB/9) imply he should get better, but they don’t indicate how good he has been and thus how good he is to this point in the season.
It’s my opinion that ERA and (for a reliever) losses indicate how good they are at that particular point in the season and numbers like WHIP, K/9, BB/9, and FIP more serve as potential indicators towards the future. Of course as the season gets further along the two categories mirror each other more.
it would be important to note also that
Joba’s velocity have been all over the place, the 94 average is deceptive, as some games he come out throwing 95-97, yet some games he come out and throws 92-93. it’s not hard to summerize which onces are the onces where he gets hammered.
I just think
most of his problems at this stage of his development are between his ears. You are not going to use all 4 pitches as a setup guy, you are only out there for an inning. Use your curve on occasion, but in his case, it is his 3rd best pitch.
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by Great Gatsby on Jun 21, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Joba needs a full season as a starter!
Nothing like a 10-12 season with 5.52 ERA to teach a young pitcher the importance of a change-up and curve.
The great
Tom Seaver once said, a pitcher can have three things: velocity, location/command and movement. He said if you can have TWO of those three, you can be a succesful major league pitcher. That hasn’t changed all these years later, an ideal example would be Gregg Maddux, who did it with movement, and command alone.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
He is the life of the party, even when he doesn't attend.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
It’s been pretty easy to spot all season long. While Joba gets ahead in the count with his fastball, usually strikes looking, it’s almost as if he’s afraid to pitch to contact after that. He doesn’t have much movement on his fastball and perhaps knowing the batter HAS to swing at anything in the zone with 2 strikes he’s afraid of what the results of such contact may be.
Afraid to pitch to contact
falls into what I mentioned above, as in between the ears, and I agree with your assessment.
People got spoiled when he first came up, that guy is gone, and too many people get hung up
on velocity (not just talking about Joba here), you have to command the four quandrants of the strike zone, so it doesn’t matter if it is 98,96,94….Ask A.J., there’s a perfect example of lack of command in the zone.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
He is the life of the party, even when he doesn't attend.
"It doesn't take more than one person, to talk to a woman.
Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jun 21, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Joba needs to go
Joba is totally uneffective and should be used for a trade asap! I can understand the other relievers under-performing due to the starters taking the games deeper into the innings this year and yielding them less innings of work. But Joba has no excuse. Send him to a team with less pressure situations and less spotlight. I’m sure he’ll do much better. Yankees and Joba are just not a good fit. It takes a lot of maturity and composure to turn the eigth inning for the Yankees.

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