Around the Yankee Galaxy: $55 million vs. $1 million
by Travis G on Jun 20, 2010 5:00 AM EDT
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PrintThat's the difference in salary between the usual third-baseman and shortstop combo and yesterday's duo. In other words -
The Yankees played a ballgame Saturday without Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter on the left side of their infield, roughly $55 million a year worth of aging Hall of Fame talent. It was one day in June, no sign of the times, but perhaps a glimpse into a not-too-distant future.
Still dealing with the effects of a sore hip, Rodriguez was the designated hitter. Jeter was a late scratch after bruising his right heel while running the bases Friday night.
The sky did not fall, no errors were committed and the Yankees beat Mike Pelfrey and the Mets, 5-3, with Kevin Russo and Ramiro Pena - whose 2010 salaries add up to less than $1 million - manning third base and shortstop.
I am legitimately worried about the future of both players. A-Rod can't seem to stay healthy for a full season anymore, and Jeter is hitting .188 in his last 15 games (12-64). Will the next seven years of A-Rod's contract be burdensome? What will Jeter demand in the offseason if he has a sub-par year? Will he be worth it?
- There's a good shot Phil Hughes will pitch in the All-Star Game (in Anaheim) near his hometown of Santa Ana, California -
He is tied for the American League lead in wins and one of the prime candidates to start next month's All-Star Game at Angel Stadium, a 10-minute drive from his California home.
"I think about it," Hughes said of possibly of earning an All-Star berth for the first time in his career. "I don't bank on anything, but it would be nice."
I don't see him getting the start, but making an appearance would be expected.
- After taking a ball off his foot in Wednesday's game against Philly, A.J. Burnett is set to start Monday's game in Arizona -
"It was a good day today," Burnett said. "I'll be ready to go Monday. Nothing hurt. It felt fine. ... It's night and day better than the last two days... The next morning, I woke up, took my first step and almost fell down. So I'll never laugh at hitters again who foul a ball off their foot. It's not fun."
This is the kind of injury that would have put Carl Pavano on the 60-day DL. For all the knocks Burnett took on his injury history, he's been nothing short of a workhorse so far (knock on wood).
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Why they gave a 10-year contract to a 32-year-old still baffles me
He’s been worth it to date, but still. Paying $20 mil to a 41-year-old??
Jeter will have to take a bit of a pay cut even if he maintains his solid production from the shortstop hole this year. For comparison, mike Young and Hanley both make around $15 mil per.
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
Why?
Well, when you are the Yankees, you can!…Also, don’t think for a moment that breaking the home run record wearing pinstripes didn’t play a part in their decision (although no one seems to be talking about the HR record these days)..Moving forward, I would be more concerned about him. Jeter may not have to take a pay cut, he might have to relinquish some length on his contract, I say no more than 4 years, and 75-80 million.
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
"I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jun 20, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Even so...
The HR record was still so far off, I think they could have gotten away with doing maybe a 7-year deal, then reopening the purse if it was clear after that deal that he had a shot at it. Maybe not tho, obviously who knows what the real negotiating positions were.
I would be fine with it if Jeter was knocked back down to the 15-18 range.
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
by Captain_Mick on Jun 20, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a pay cut is in Jeter’s future, but if Arod’s deal takes him to 42, I think Jeter is going to look for a deal to take him to 42.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Still got a good feeling A-Rod's gonna have one of those months.
Tex and Jeter most likely too.
Amazing how despite all of it, the pathetic and embarassing Yankees are inexcusably tied for the best record/1st place.
Do work Carsten.
KEEP LEE!!!
Jeter
is going to rebound, he’ll end up around .300 with his usual numbers. A-Rod is a different story. We’re getting what we’re going to get out of him, for the rest of this year and the rest of his contract; 20-25 homers (maybe!), 90-100 RBI. Is his contract burdensome? Sure. The Yankees will need to look for a third baseman within two years and A-Rod will finish out his career as DH.
You may be right
if we use your theory, what happens to Posada, Jeter, and quite possibly Montero? If we go with your theory for the moment, there may be an unhappy divorce after Posada’s contact is up
after next season? If Jeter is still playing SS at 40…
His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
"I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Stay thirsty my friends."
by Great Gatsby on Jun 20, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Split everyone at DH
like we were supposedly going to do this year. Don’t sign a Nick Johnson or someone like him to be a full time DH, find a good super-utility guy that you can trust for 5 days a week playing 2 or 3 different positions, I was actually hoping we’d snatch up DeRosa last off-season, luckily we didn’t. There’s also no guarantee that Montero won’t be traded, I hope he isn’t, but Romine is the catcher of the future I believe.
Yeah,
With A-Rod’s health in question you’re right, there is probably a very unhappy divorce looming. That hadn’t crossed my mind, but with all the catching prospects and A-Rod most likely DH’ing, Posada may be the odd man out. I think Jeter will get a 3-year deal and I think Mo will get a one year deal with a second year option.
Jeter
will get back on track, probably before the break. We’ll probably overpay Jeter, but no one will care, he’s Derek Jeter, he can retire when he wants.
As for A-Rods contract, I think in 2-3 years it will be a huge burden on the team. Not to bring up the steroid crap, but players are going to start declining at an earlier age again, and A-Rod is already having a tough time staying healthy and now two years in a row he’s had trouble with a hip. Fortunately, we have the resources to over come a contract that lasts 5 years too long.
I have faith in Jeter to not demand too much money if he's had a sub-par year
I hope A-rod gets it together though, doesn’t look good right now.
"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials
Pay The Man, Pay Him Well
5/6 years at $20M per.
There will eventually be a deterioration of his skills. However he is Mister intangible and stone cold clutch assasin.
Derek has been a perfect franchise player. As well loved as any athlete this city has had the honor to witness both on and off the field He puts fannies in the seats and provides an air of dignity in the clubhouse and on the field. If they dare lowball him the way they did Andy after 2003 and lose Him it’s Armageddon. Also a wink and a nod on post career possibilities or psrtial ownership. Had him relatively cheap for 10 years, never asked to renegotiate, For all he’s done and still to do. Lowball him and maybe he spends 2011 in Bosto
Lowball him and maybe he spends 2011 in Boston
I hope you’re joking…
The Yanks could offer Jeets $1 per year, and he’d never play for the Pissants. He’s not stupid.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 20, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He would never sign with Boston, even if Cashman sleeps with Minka
That would ruin his legacy. Packers fans boo’d the hell outta Favre when he returned.
"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials
"Relatively cheap"?
He’s been among the five best-paid players in the league for a decade. Let’s not get crazy here.
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
by Captain_Mick on Jun 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Bernie almost did and
Andy left for houston because he felt disrespected. imagine the 2004 debacle occuring with Andy home, I think not I’m really saying, give him what he wants because he deserves it ( As if any player deserves that kind of money)
The Yanks have treated other, lesser players very well. Now it is time to take care of their greatest home grown player since the MIck.
If the younger guys. like let’s say Cano, Hughes, Joba the Torch see the team show Derek the respect he deserves they’ll look foward to being treated fairly when their time comes.
In truth, I would be suprised if the deal isn’t already done. They just want to run the no negotiation during the season thing to other guys.
I know..Bernie doing it would've been devastating
and Andy pretty much was too.
But this is Derek Jeter. I’m pretty sure he even said it that it has no chance of happening. He knows NY and what he is to NY.
The Yanks are not gonna “lowball” him. The guy should be making about $9-10 million a year but he’s basically been making double that.
Even should the unfathomable happen and he leaves…he ain’t going to the Red Sox.
Cuz teh Red Sox are not going to pay more then the Yankees for Jeter…you can be 100% certain of that.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 20, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Boston probably wouldn't pay more.
I think they have to pay him more for who he is, and what he means to Yankee lore and fans, than strictly on stats. Jeter has always been more than stats show. Jeters not a selfish guy anyway, so I doubt he’ll be greedy.
It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business.
Look, they’re not gonna lowball him. But they’re also not gonna (metaphorically) fellate him. They’ve made him rich and famous. They need to negotiate a bit. If he asks for $25, they gotta come back and negotiate it down. When you reward players for stuff already done, rather than stuff you think they’re gonna do, you get in trouble. If they can get him to take the $15 mil range (like Mo and Jorgie did) then you’ve got an extra bit of cash on hand to sweeten the deal for another free agent when you need one. That’s just smart management.
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
by Captain_Mick on Jun 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
there going ot give him a year to year deal..... Or Two year Max
with incentives for performance and stamina like every aging allstar……
by Gangsta Yanksta on Jun 20, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yanks gave him a stage
He made himself a great player, and earned his money by his play, and he’s famous because as I’ve heard many a tween girl squeal, “He’s just so cute”. He also famous because of his play on the field and his character on and off the field.
Just read the preview of this post and I’m afraid people are gonna post back, get a room.
and Andy Pettitte was hurt in 2004
his elbow was the reason they “lowballed” him. They didn’t know he was ever gonna overcome that and in 2004, it looked like he wasn’t.
So I could imagine the 2004 debacle actually occurs just as it happened…cuz Pettitte WOULDN’T EVEN BE ON THE FIELD.
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate to quote Micheal Kaye
but that is the fallacy of the predetermined outcome.
He was great in the 03 playoffs, if memory serves, and didn’t look hurt in that postseason.
His problem developed into something serious with Houston, wouldn’t neccessarily have happened in NY.
And they paid Arod big time, despite costing the Yanks a small fortune in lost payments from Texas, when he opted out instead of taking an extension. If you pamper Arod, you gotta be good to Derek
Pettitte was great in the playoffs that year
and didn’t look hurt.
But he was.d
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 20, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This is really random
but why the hell do people spell Michael, Micheal? Has anybody every seen somebody spell it that way? I sure haven’t
Y10, is that your name?
Haha. I have to consciously think about the fact that the ‘A’ comes first whenever I spell it, actually. Just one of those words I could never spell right.
by CAyankeesfan on Jun 20, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeter And Arod
are well above the average for offense in their position……. They are both having any BUT a subpar year…
People were saying the same thing last year about Arod….. and he still pulled out 30 / 100….
Over reacting…. like usual.
No one is perfect….. even Cano hit a slump for a few weeks last month. it happens get over it
by Gangsta Yanksta on Jun 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
They are having subpar years
By their own standards, so far at least. Happy to back up with stats if you need me to.
"I am a man of great mental power." ~Alfonso Soriano
by Captain_Mick on Jun 20, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares about their standards.....
Aslong as their better than the rest of the league……. Arod is second on the team for RBIs and Jeter is second on the team in hits, both behind Cano.
The entire team is struggling right now and we are still tied for the best record in baseball.
We should be happy for that fact instead of dwelling on something that isn’t even an issue…….
We need to be worried about AJ Burnett….. Players whose performance’s are actually hurting the team.
by Gangsta Yanksta on Jun 20, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The Crux of the article/comment
is about the seasons they’re having as opposed to what they normally do. The question is, “who cares what the rest of the league is doing?”
The one good thing about A-Rod's contract...
Is that it’s not backloaded. Most of the money, he’ll make within the first few years. They’re actually in the peak of his payments right now. After making $32 mil this year, he gets $31 next year, $29m in ‘12, $28m in ’13, $25m in ’14, and then down to $21m in ’15 and $20m in ’16 & ’17. It does look like A-Rod won’t be at 3rd base for very much longer, he may be headed toward the DH spot. I don’t know what influence that might have on Montero or Romine in the future but we’ll see how those prospects pan out anyway.
As far as Jeter goes, he could probably still play SS until he’s like 40. Maybe they would have to move him to the OF, but I’m not sure there would even be an opening at DH if A-Rod and/or Montero is in that role. The contract he’ll probably ask for will be probably in the neighborhood of $13-$20 mil for maybe 5 years. He should take some kind of paycut though.
Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?
Everything.
1) Phil Hughes gets an inning in the All Star game.
2) Yes, Burnett will pitch every 5th day and give up either 1 run in 8 innings or 8 runs in 1 inning, as he always does. Pavano would be in a shock trauma unit with the same injury.
3) Jeter and ARod are both past their physical peaks, and both require some rest more often. Both are stealing less, and are a bit slower. ARod looks to be a bit more affected than Jeter. Neither is going to play anywhere else. Jeter will get the contract he wants, and if he becomes a .230 hitter before it’s end, he will retire and take a buyout. Both players will have their moments of brilliance, just not as consistently.
4) It’s too bad everyone can’t do their contract the way Paul O’Neill did. (No agent, one year deals, 15 minutes of negotiation, handshake at the end).
by designatedquitter on Jun 21, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions
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