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Rival Staffs (Part 2 of 7): Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

Mood music - Come Sail Away by Styx.

Now, onto part 2 of my quest to defeat dinosaurs, save the princess, and provide the Pinstripe Alley community with knowledge about the pitching staffs of the most formidable competition.  Today's challenge: The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.

The first thing that I've noticed about the Angels staff, is that they've been remarkably healthy so far this season (especially in comparison to the walking wounded Red Sox).  The 5 Angels in the starting rotation currently (Jered Weaver, Ervin Santana, Scott Kazmir, Joe Saunders, and Joel Pineiro) have made 66 out of the 67 starts for the Angels so far this year, with only one spot start going to Matt Palmer while Scott Kazmir was dealing with his latest arm boo boo.

Another overall comment: The Angels bullpen isn't very good.  As a unit, the bullpen has an ERA of 4.96, an FIP of 4.40, and a BB/9 rate of 5.66.  To put that in perspective, AJ Burnett, in all of his glorious wildness, has a career BB/9 of 3.75.  And the anchor of the pen, Brian Fuentes, is sporting a 4.86 ERA, and already has 3 blown saves.  So in all of the analysis from here on out, realize that the starters have been somewhat hampered by a struggling bullpen.

I'm going to look at the five starters individually after the jump, starting with Surfer Boy (I actually don't have anything against Weaver, I just think it's funny that he used to look like Bronson Arroyo).

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Jered Weaver is an ace.  I will repeat myself.  Jered Weaver is an ace.  Allow me to present his 2010 statistics side by side with Jon Lester's.

Weaver: 14 starts, 87.2 IP (6.26 IP/Start), 3.29 ERA, 3.19 FIP, 9.86 K/9, 2.36 BB/9, 2.3 WAR
Lester: 13 starts, 85 IP (6.54 IP/Start), 3.18 ERA, 3.08 FIP, 9.42 K/9, 3.81 BB/9, 2.4 WAR

I hate to give credence to the "woe is me, East Coast Bias!" whining of a certain unnamed fellow, but Jered Weaver is the best pitcher in baseball that gets totally ignored.

Ervin Santana is very talented, but has yet to really put everything together in any consistent type of way.  Santana has one of the nastiest sliders in the game, and has relied on it at a career high rate (38.2% of his pitches) and is 6.3 runs above average with it so far this year.  Santana has the ability to be dominant at times and his 3.52 ERA is evidence of that (but 4.29 FIP smells like regression), and has also posted a very solid 6.69 IP/Start, showing that even when he doesn't have his sharpest stuff, he has been giving length (Santana has at least finished the 6th in 11 out of his 13 starts).

Joel Pineiro misses the magical wizardry that is Dave Duncan.  Or maybe he misses pitching in the NL Central.  Either way, Joel Pineiro 2010 < Joel Pineiro 2009 by a pretty considerable margin.  Pineiro is an extreme control pitcher and an extreme sinkerballer, and his walk rate is up, and his ground ball rate is down, which tells me he's not getting his bread and butter sinker on the mark as well as he'd like.  On the plus side, though, his numbers do show that some positive regression is likely, and if the Angels are going to make a run in the West, they're going to need this guy to start throwing the bowling balls he was throwing last season in St. Louis.

Joe Saunders is sort of doing what Joe Saunders does.  ERA in the high 4s (4.70), lots of fly balls, not a lot of strikeout, and a pretty good innings eater (6.02 IP/Start). Saunders is a pretty prototypical back of the rotation type starter.  He tends to keep the team in the game, is good for the occasional gem or stinker, but really isn't going to blow anybody away.  All I got.  Sorry, Joe.

Scott Kazmir (Insert Steve Phillips related humor) has really failed to reach the lofty ceilings that were projected when he was a young gun in the Mets (Phillips'd!) and Rays organization.  Kazmir's well spotted 94 MPH fastball has turned into a erratic 90 MPH fastball, and his sharp swing-and-miss slider has turned into a flat cement mixer, as shown by his career low K/9 (6.21), high BB/9 (4.59), and pretty poor 5.27 ERA and 5.15 FIP.  While he has always played on rivals of the Yankees, it has been disappointing to see the way this highly touted kid has somewhat fallen apart.

Thoughts on the Angels rotation?  And any Sabathia > Weaver type talk will still elicit the delete hammer.

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I definitely didn't know Weaver's stats were that close to Lester's.

That’s pretty impressive. He really doesn’t get the same kind of attention.

And that is why I am enjoying this series of posts. Great job again.

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 16, 2010 2:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Weaver is very good, Im a fan of his

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's a shame what happened with Kazmir.

Also, I agree about Weaver. Very underrated pitcher, I think.

Now if you’ll excuse me, it’s up to the rock part of the song, so I have to air guitar and sing COME SAIL AWAY.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jun 16, 2010 2:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Phillps jokes aside..

Jim Duquette traded Kazmir..

His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
"I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Stay thirsty my friends."

by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

That looks like it really hurts!

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

That picture

Shows why it’s amazing that more people don’t break their arms pitching. Remember Tony Saunders? John Smiley? Tom Browning? I’m not even counting Dave Dravecky, who broke his arm but that was after having a tumor removed from his pitching arm.

Oh, and d_c_guy broke his arm pitching in 1994. It’s not pleasant, I don’t recommend it. Although (after a year off for bone graft surgery and PT) I did go back to pitching. Demonstrating either the hold of the game or my inability to learn, I’m not sure which :-)

by d_c_guy on Jun 16, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Weaver

is not a an ace, showing only a small sample size. Show their entire body of work, to truly compare pitchers.

His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
"I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Stay thirsty my friends."

by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 7:29 AM EDT reply actions  

OK fine, how about some career numbers for Weaver:

6.12 IP/Start, 3.67 ERA, 2.62 BB/9, 7.61 K/9, and he’s still just 27 years old, and getting better every season.

And for reference, some career numbers for CC Sabathia

6.56 IP/Start, 3.64 ERA, 2.82 BB/9, 7.57 K/9

The numbers are almost identical. Jered Weaver is an ace.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 16, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

SSSHHHHHH

SHUSH

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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't your post

comparing him to Lester? Weaver has done as “quality” pitcher for 1 1/2 seasons, please spare me the numbers, I don’t care

His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
"I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Stay thirsty my friends."

by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

what he is saying

is that CC is considered an ace. And since their career numbers are basically indentical, he is making the statement that Weaver is an ace.

Which would be correct,

I believe in the Church of Baseball

by Frank Campagnola on Jun 16, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say if their numbers are basically identical

then perhaps CC is not an ace. Hughes, Pettitte, their numbers are those of an ace, not CC’s.

by david d on Jun 17, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

this season...

if you’re putting up mid to low 3 ERAs, you’re an ace in the AL.

I believe in the Church of Baseball

by Frank Campagnola on Jun 23, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on

this is phil hughes’ first season as a full time starter. his numbers are ace like right now but lets wait until the league sees him more before we give him that title, which will take a few years. im a huge supporter of hughes and ive like hughes over joba in all of these debates, although i still think joba needs to be developing in AAA as a starter (but thats another topic).

and pettitte is putting up ace numbers as well. i think he should be the all star game starter. his career numbers are not that of an ace though.

CC has been a full time starter since he was 20 years old. only 20. and even then, he never posted an ERA above 4.39, which was when he was 20

Since 2006, his highest ERA is this season with a 3.68. CC is an ace. look at hs career numbers

I believe in the Church of Baseball

by Frank Campagnola on Jun 23, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree..

I look beyond the numbers, and most men in my age bracket (let’s say 90%) do the same. One, has he won a Cy Young, not., has he almost singelhandedly carried a team into the post season, not, has he been surrounded by a better supporting cast than somebody like CC for example (for most of CC’s career). most definitely. Weaver has also been surrounded by a better pitching staff most of his career as well, and how many rings has Weaver won. He is a good and improving, but their are a lot of teams I could name, that he would not be considered an “ace”.

His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
"I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Stay thirsty my friends."

by Great Gatsby on Jun 17, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

there are more teams i could name

where he would be considered an ace.

I believe in the Church of Baseball

by Frank Campagnola on Jun 23, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

a cy young is irrelevant. CC was fourth in the cy voting last year. just because there are 3 other pitchers who were voted higher than he was doesn’t make CC not an ace.

and its not weaver’s fault he doesn’t have a ring. there are 24 other men on that roster than have a say in getting rings together. as a team.

I believe in the Church of Baseball

by Frank Campagnola on Jun 23, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re going to say “please spare me the numbers, I don’t care” then what are you basing your assertion on that he isn’t an ace?

by Lord Duggan on Jun 16, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weaver

his numbers are great this year. much better than his career. he’s getting older, more mature, and improving.

his K/9 is almost 10 so far. WHIP is 1.17. Averaging about 6 and 1/3 per start. 3.29 ERA.

Ace numbers. Idk how thats debatable

I believe in the Church of Baseball

by Frank Campagnola on Jun 16, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

More from our buddy CHOP

“It’s great — everybody talked about the diarrhea,” Park said. “Stop the diarrhea. That’s all you want to know? I said, ‘Stop it.’ It was fun, you know? Everybody back in Korea saw it, too. It’s good.”

His mother has a tattoo that reads, "Son".
"I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Stay thirsty my friends."

by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 7:37 AM EDT reply actions  

In April I would have bet ridiculous amounts of cash that CHOP would get traded/dfa by June and now it looks like he’s going to make it to July.

DB

by DukBudr on Jun 16, 2010 8:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

**October

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's hoping

Cousin Jered ( hey they share the same last name as me and make millions of $ so they gotta be related, right?) has sense enough to stay on the West Coast. I fear if he comes to the Al East he would implode like his brother did. No scientific or statistical evidence for that, just IMHO.

"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel

by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jun 16, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

maybe.

but it depends on mentality. Weaver is as cool as a cucumber, his brother really used to get flustered a lot. He’s always been a pretty trusty big game guy too.

He’s right up there with Lackey, tho I think Weaver’s less combustible then Lackey.

I’d take Jered on the Yankees, no question. As Darth Balls has explained, Weaver is underrated by entirely too many people. He’s legit.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darth Balls? You flatter me.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 16, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

And any Sabathia > Weaver type talk will still elicit the delete hammer.

Wait, what? Did you put the wrong alligator?

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Jun 16, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

It's hard to believe that they don't miss Lackey, but putting his 2010 numbers into that rotation wouldn't help it any.

If the Angels somehow make the playoffs, it will be because these pitchers suddenly got much better. That doesn’t appear to be too likely.

by designatedquitter on Jun 16, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

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