Life On The Line, Who's Pitching?
by Brandon C. on Jun 16, 2010 9:00 AM EDT
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PrintI saw this tweet and it got me thinking. If life was on the line, who's pitching? Andy Pettitte is certainly a good choice, as he wins double digit games like it's nothing. Another good choice is Roy Halladay (even after last nights performance)
Who would you choose? Comment an active players name to be your choice. If you agree with someone else, rec' their comment of the players name. Top 5 rec'd players will appear in a poll on Friday morning.
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Andy Pettitte
Without a doubt, big game pitcher. Got Yanks the wins they needed in Oct and November.
by Corley on Jun 16, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Give me talent over grit.
I’ll take King Felix.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Ehhhhh
you are equating grit and experience, I think they are two separate things though not mutually exclusive. Andy has boat loads of massive pressure games under his belt and has succeeded at a very high rate. How many post season clinching games has King Felix pitched in yet? If I could pick a starting 3 for a post season rotation I think it would be Halladay, CC and Jiminez
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 16, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
How many has Jiminez pitched in as well?
although he has been the best starting pitcher in baseball so far this year.
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by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Farnsworth
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 16, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ESPN Magazine
Did you see the magazine (I think from May/June) with the 100-player MLB survey?
Kyle Farnsworth was #1 most feared dude in a fight…
Right here? Right now?
Today? I’m going with Stephen Strasburg. No, really, hear me out. There are three reasons: (1) his stuff is as filthy as anyone in the game; (2) he’s handled the “Strasburg Savior” and “Baseball Jeeezus” pressure really well; and (3) most hitters haven’t had a look at him yet.
Don’t underestimate (3) – look how the Yankees have always tended to make rookie pitchers look good the first time they face them.
No doubt
That kid is straight up nasty
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 16, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
While I agree that Strasburg is nasty...
He still has more to prove. He’s shutdown two major league ballclubs in the Pirates and Indians.. but I feel like he definitely needs to prove himself against more competitive teams. I am in no way taking credit from him because he has been FILTHY. However, he should probably get around the league a couple times more before we don him as our “life on the line” pitcher
In Jeter, We trust.
by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He needs to have quite a few seasons under his belt to be the real deal
Being great for a couple seasons and then blowing your arm out or magically losing 5-7 mph can turn your fortune right around. As for straight up talent, he is the most talented pitcher I have seen in many a moon. Let’s just hope he stays healthy and hope he does Chien Ming Wang his way to the DL because of having to hit and run bases.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 16, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
doesn't chien ming wang*
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Different questions
I’m not putting him in the HOF, saying he’s the best pitcher in baseball, or even betting yet that he’s a guy I want to build a rotation around for 4-6 years. It’s to pitch one game, this week (Strasburg’s next turn is Friday) with my life on the line. If the game is against a more competitive team, I’m banking on the lack of familiarity factor to work in Strasburg/my favor. So yes, I’m gaming the system.
Mind you, I don’t want my life on the line with any of these guys – the Yankees shelled Halladay yesterday, and he’s a contender for #1 pitcher. And even the best pitcher on the top of his game can lose with no run support. Guidry lost 3 times in 1978, for cryin’ out loud. While that leaves him 8:1 in W:L ratio, that’s not good enough for me to bet my life!
Describing the current
lineups of the Pirates and Indians Major League teams is generous.
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jun 16, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He may be filthy, but he isn’t Philthy
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 17, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Another great choice
I’ve seen him pitch in person, and he’s the real deal. If he keep is up, his season this year is Pedroesque (in a good way)
It should be Pettite.
For the Sox I go with Lester.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions
I love me some Andy, don't get me wrong
But he’s laid some true stinkers in big games – including getting blown out in Game 6 of the WS in 2001. It’s not quite “good AJ/bad AJ,” but let’s not pretend the record is pristine either.
by d_c_guy on Jun 16, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would have to agee
with DC’s point here, I believe he is “around” 14-9 lifetime in postseason, one game,
gimme Halladay.
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by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but Halladay’s not on your team, and you blew him out.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
The
Post was about one game, one pitcher…not one Yankee
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by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh ok.
Lester
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
nope
won game 4 in 2007 WS, of course they were up 3-0, no pressure at all.
He is very good, not for one game take all though!
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by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
14-9
going into last year’s postseason, oops.
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by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I am too lazy to look
How many games have the Yankees won in the post season with Andy pitching where he got a no decision as opposed to lost?
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 16, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
That is true. How has Hughes been lately?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn't pitch really well last game
Gave up 5 runs, but I also think it was lack of concentration because the Yanks put up a 7 spot for him, the very next inning he gave up 4. But he got the win and is 9-1 win a 3.11 ERA, I can safely say he has exceeded all our expectation for his first full year as a starter
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 16, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
ah that can happen with Buchholz sometimes.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
When you pitch that many games in the post season you will fail some times
Mo + 2001 = we don’t talk about
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 16, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
What makes this hilarious is the fact that his 2001 postseason ERA was 1.13
That’s unbelievable… however he’ll always be remembered for game 7
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Pettitte
To say he has pitched some stinkers in that 14-9 is ridiculous. He’s pitching against the best teams in MLB. Duh.
instead of commenting pettitte
rec’ the first time anyone said pettitte please…if you want to back it up sure but in order for this to work you have to rec when you agree
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"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."
Cliff Lee
4-0 with a 1.56 ERA in 5 starts last postseason. We might get another look at him in the playoffs if he gets traded this year.
by YankeesRock on Jun 16, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
That may be a good pick
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
And
he might look good wearing pinstripes next year too. Your team can’t sign him when they
have more than 150 mill. tied up in Lackey and Joshua, haha!
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by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I know
The Beckett deal sucks
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Lee has the raw stuff and ice water running through his veins.
Now that I’m out in that media market, I make sure I watch every Mariners start. If he was on the Yankees right now, he would have won every game he’s pitched. That dominant.
by PortlandYankee on Jun 16, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I was there for Game 1 of the WS...
It was ugly. Lee is the real deal. He put Yankee Stadium to sleep that night.
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this pitching a start or pitching an inning?
If it’s just an inning than there is no one i’d take over Rivera.
For a start…give me:
Roy Halladay
"We're only going to score 17 points?" - Tom Brady
"Well played, Mauer." - Guy from PS3 commercials
by Edgware on Jun 16, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Based on who's best right now? Ubaldo. Based on career, active? Pettitte. Recently retired? Schilling. Depressed and want to end it all? Kenny Rogers.
by designatedquitter on Jun 16, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions
-1 for saying anything positive about Schilling.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
who you would LEAST want on the mound is another interesting question
Rogers is a good choice for that poll.
by long time listener on Jun 16, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody remember when Kevin Brown punched a wall and broke his hand for the Yanks?
Classic. He had more anger problems than O’Neill… that’s a lie no he didn’t
In Jeter, We trust.
What part of that's a lie? He did break his hand in the clubhouse.
Paulie never did. Paulie readily admits he seethed after bad at bats and bad calls, but I think he was ultimately able to channel that anger into positive results. Brown was just a jerk.
by HilltopPark on Jun 16, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant it's a lie that Brown had more anger than O'Neill.. I know he broke his hand
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I really liked Brown. I liked that he wanted to pitch- it sucks that we got him 3 years too late and he couldn’t pitch well.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
I was at that game!
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"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."
One inning or one batter? Mo.
But even Mo is human, so it’s a good thing that none of us would ever be in a situation where life and death depended on a bunch of guys throwing, hitting, catching and running (not to mention an umpire’s whimsical safe or out calls).
by HilltopPark on Jun 16, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Start
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"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."
Start? Then if it's today (or rather on the 5th day after his last start), take Umberto
There’s nobody hotter than him right now.
by HilltopPark on Jun 16, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Umberto makes a great pizza
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
The Name of the Rose is a great book and a great movie (Sean Connery).
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
David Price
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
aka
best starter in baseball
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
you don't like STATS don't you?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I never said he was bad..
I simply disagreed that he isn’t the best starter in baseball. I’d take about 5 guys over him right now to start a game for me
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
he's been the best starter in basball this year.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Once again..
I will disagree with that comment
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
cuz you don't like stats?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Even your statistics show that there are 5 starters who have better ERAs than him...
Not that I would necessarily take those guys over him but he isn’t as fantastic as you think…
He allows far more baserunners than other elite pitchers (40th in WHIP) and he has a mediocre 64 Ks (41st). He’s 34th in innings pitched and near the top of the league in walks..
But, if you think he’s the best starter.. that’s great for you.. but you’re wrong.
In Jeter, We trust.
by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
those starters that have the better ERA
pitch in the NL. Specifically the NL West. So you can have it, but you’d be wrong.
When the game is on the line, you’re actually facing good teams…give me the dude who faces good teams and does well.
So far, Price is the best starter in baseball. Put him in the NL West, watch him put up Ubaldo numbers.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
little more then that....
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? He isn't the best starter in baseball...
Now that we’re talking big games… I would easily take Sabathia, Pettitte and Lester over David Price if you want to travel the rout of “AL East” pitchers. Hell, I’d take Beckett as well.
Cliff Lee shutdown the Yankees in the world series twice last year and he pitched for a NL team… but you’re entitled to your opinion. I’d take Halladay as well in a playoff game. I’d probably take some of those NL pitchers as well.. but since it’s only American League we’re allowed to talk about I’ll stick with those guys.
All of them are better than David Price. Beckett has had a rough year but has brought it in the playoffs ever since ’03 with the Marlins.
In Jeter, We trust.
by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
if we're going with a career achievement award
yea, Halladay or Pettitte.
This year, David Price.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Who has Price beaten this year that has a good offense?
He beat the Yankees back in mid-April and surrendered 3 runs when Javier got lit up… other than that.. the Braves where he only went 5 innings? A decent start against the Braves?
Give me a break.. he hasn’t even faced a good offense other than New York
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
decent start against the Angels*
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Toronto 3 times doesn't count I guess?
Toronto is better then the Braves anyway….also, I don’t care who he’s faced. He doesn’t make the schedule.
You’ll get your break later.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Toronto is nearly dead last in every offensive category other than homeruns... nice try though
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry.. they're 7th in RBI
because of all the homeruns they hit… 28th in batting average and 25th in hits proves they blow
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
they're 8th in all of baseball in runs
3 runs less then the Braves. Batting average doesn’t matter.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Has he beaten any of the teams that he'll be facing in the playoffs other than the Yankees 1 week into the season? No...
How can you even judge him fairly if he’s only pitched against crap teams… your argument is pretty terrible
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
as is yours.
by your metric, Mike Pelfrey is the best starter in basball since he’s beaten the Yankees and Braves.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No...
I’ve incorporated your statistics I apparently dislike and they should be enough to prove that he isn’t the best in baseball…
And Mike Pelfrey isn’t the best pitcher in baseball, but certainly has been huge for the Mets this year.
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently not.
actually.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Im going to stop arguing with you... because you're a fool for making this argument
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!!
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Im on your side dude
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you know who he's facing in the playoffs BTW?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he facing the Astros, Orioles, Indians, Royals, Blue Jays? I, along with everyone on PSA, would say no...
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
OK.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Toronto wont be going anywhere
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Boston has a better team and are better positioned to make a run. It will be NY and Boston all year, Tampa appears to be fading a little.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
and my point is ignored….
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had to take a guess at who makes the playoffs...
I would go with the Yankees and Red Sox. I think the Rayss will slow down because their pitching, for two months, was simply untouchable. Now that they are coming back down to Earth.. I think people will see that they aren’t capable of 98 wins.
Honestly, I would still be much more nervous to face the Red Sox than the Rays in the playoffs. Although I hate them, I respect the Red Sox too much to say they’re out of the picture
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you. The Rays pitching is slowing down. Barflett being out hurts them. The Red Sox have the pitching, offense, and expeirience. I still have a good feeling about them, but we need the good Beckett back.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
you are arguing against your own point my friend, above you are saying doesn’t like stats, but in Jiminez’ case his stats are somewhat tainted pitching in the NL West. Last I checked, they have three teams well above .500
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by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
what?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
He may be having a good year, but those pesky things called stats show a guy called Ubaldo Jimenez as the “best starter in baseball” and if you are finicky enough to say 1/3 of one season makes you the best in baseball, then mmk.
But the best Pitcher in baseball is Tim Lincecum. If you argue that you either A) Dont have eyes or B) base your opinions off of 1/3 of one season of baseball.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jun 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
this year gimp.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
And this year, Ubaldo Jimenez is better than David Price.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jun 16, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
David Price doesn't get to face Washington and Pittsburgh
and Arizona
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true. Price faces the Yankees and Red Sox.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Trust me, playing Washington and Pittsburgh once really isnt going to help Jimenez all that much…but…since you like stats
K/9
Jimenez: 8.10
Price: 6.72
Cain: 6.34
BB/9
Jimenez: 3.28
Price: 3.68
Cain: 2.73
HR/9
Jimenez: 0.29
Price: 0.63
Cain: 0.39
BABIP
Jimenez: .232
Price: .265
Cain: .241
LOB%
Jimenez: 91.3%
Price: 80.3%
Cain: 80.8%
ERA
Jimenez: 1.16
Price: 2.31
Cain: 2.05
WAR
Jimenez: 2.9
Price: 1.5
Cain:2.2
So, as you can see, Matt Cain is actually a better pitcher than David Price too. You know…based on stats.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jun 16, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Stats are mistelling sometimes. Fangraphs once said that Halladay was one of the worst pitchers in baseball.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are going to take the WAR out of that and ignore all the rest of the stats. Awesome. You guys should join the White House press corps.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jun 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont listin to WAR
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
As in
misleading?
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by Great Gatsby on Jun 16, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy Halladay's 3.5 WAR leads the MLB
Francisco Liriano leads the AL with a 3.3 WAR.
by YankeesRock on Jun 16, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Lirianos having a good year
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
he's faced the D-Backs 3 times
the Padres twice, the Nationals twice and the Astros too.
Yes, that’s gonna help him.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just saying. Those stats aren’t padded. Maybe you get a couple of statistical categories padded, but It doesn’t help your case for Price that I showed two pitchers who are having better years than him.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jun 16, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you're saying the stats aren't padded
when they CLEARLY ARE PADDED.
You didn’t show anything.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, you are saying I didn’t show anything when you haven’t showed a single statistic yet I am the one who is obviously wrong because you just dont like my statistics. You still haven’t made any case for why Matt Cain’s statistics are better than Price’s. Two NL pitchers (that I showed, there are actually about 4) have better stats than Price, I show you statistics, you made an argument earlier that stats are the barometer, yet you say that I haven’t shown anything because my point disproves yours. Very interesting.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jun 17, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
And gosh, that Minnesota team that Jimenez just destroyed today really sucks…oh wait…
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jun 17, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
SHOCKER!
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Ubaldo and Price have been the best pitchers in baseball.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
and Ubaldo's been beefing up on the Washington's and Houston's of the world.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
WHO HAS PRICE BEEN BEATING BRADSHAW?!?!? NOBODY!!!
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees, Red Sox, AL East…
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
When has he beaten Boston this year ? AL East... the Blue Jay offense if the ball is kept in the park.. and the Orioles... wow they suck
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know but the AL has better teams than the NL.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the teams he has faced.. I'll list them for you guys.
Yankees.. best offense back in 4th game of the season… other than that…
Yankees.. best offense back in 4th game of the season… other than that…Baltimore once… Chicago twice.. Kansas City once… Cleveland once… Houston once (he got rocked by them…) … Toronto three times… Oakland once.. Angels once… Braves once..
Yankees.. best offense back in 4th game of the season… other than that…Baltimore once… Chicago twice.. Kansas City once… Cleveland once… Houston once (he got rocked by them…) … Toronto three times… Oakland once.. Angels once… Braves once..Not exactly dominating offenses
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why that just copied about 3 times.. my bad
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats ok.
What teams have Ubaldo faced?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
for the most part
the inferior hitting teams in the inferior league.
But he’s the best.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Let us list...
Milwaukee once (they have a solid offense)
San Diego twice (pretty bad offense)
Atlanta once (decent offense)
Washington twice (they actually have a decent offense as well)
Houston once (they blow)
Arizona three times (they have a decent offense)
Dodgers once (they’re good)
Giants once (they’re decent)
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta and SF dont have good offenses at all
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I said they're decent.. not good
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Decent? Atlanta got no-hit and almost did again. They had Melky Cabrera batting third! They have a bad offense!
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rays had a perfect game thrown against them this year... your point?
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Braden was having a good game and hes a good pitcher.
Youre into all the stats, look it up.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I have looked this up.. I said a decent offense I didn't say good or spectacular.. learn to read
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
learn to shut up
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
go head and find one single pitcher that faces the top 4 offenses
in every single one of their starts.
Who’s Ubaldo faced? Dodgers once, Braves once, and was OK against the Jays.
Other then that, nothing.
SO apparently it matters for Price, but doesn’t for Ubaldo.
In the AL, where it matters, PRice has been the best this year. Hence, Price is best in baseball.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don't think he's the best pitcher in the American League right now
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
who is?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I would easily take Cliff Lee and Andy Pettitte over David Price right now
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Pettite? Yeah, no bias involved there.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry Boston is in 3rd right now and you're upset about it...
I’d still take Pettitte over Price easily
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I think were right in the race. To count us out would be silly.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I say the Red Sox were out? No..
I complimented them 5 minutes ago.. they’re in 3rd right now though
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
REALLY? I DID NOT KNOW THAT! DID YOU KNOW WATER IS WET?!?!?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
are you Yankees Intel with a different name?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee, maybe
but Price has been better then Pettitte this year.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Waaaaaay better.
I’d make a case for Garza too.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
GARZA?!?!
WOW, this is getting better and better!! Go back to the Red Sox boards dude
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No ones there. And Im a girl. Guess youre not on here much, but I come here, like every day.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That explains a lot
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
what does?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
BestBoston.. what do you think about game 7 tomorrow?
You think the Celtics will be able to take it?
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. They bounce back after tough losses. Losing Perk doesnt help. That does worry me.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Either way.. it's bound to be a great game
It’s already been a great series.. maybe Allen can hit a three again tomorrow lol
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so.
Are you a Celtics fan?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep….
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of curiousity..
How are you a Yankee and Laker fan?
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No.. I don't really follow the NBA much.
I’m all New York and I would rather see the lakers win to be honest.. but watching good basketball is all that matters. I truly think the Kobe won’t let the title slip now… good luck though
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Garza is not better
and Price is not "WAAAY"" better then Pettitte, its very close.
But so far, yea, Price has been better.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Garzas not better. But hes having a good year.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Philthy
LAA
OAK
BALx3
CHW
BOSx2
DET
NYM
CLE
HOU
That’s a pretty decent spread.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
He did a pretty good job of battling last night
I thought he was going to get hammered after he loaded the bases with no outs, but he got out of it.
by YankeesRock on Jun 16, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I turned it green for ya Free.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jun 16, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
YAY!
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on Free
I know he’s good, but the question includes the phrase “life on the line”. You can’t be serious selecting Price. When has he pitched in a big game and proven himself with his team’s season, much less “life”, on the line? Pettitte has been tried and tested in this type situation and nobody currently in the game has been better. If not Pettitte, it’s gotta be Lee. No one else has proven anything.
by david d on Jun 16, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He hasn't started in a big game
but he’s closed more then a few big games.
As Phil Hughes has shown, not everyone can do it in the playoffs.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Swisher
Career 0.00 ERA
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jun 16, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Bill Hall
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
2.00 WHIP tho
but when you have a 0.00 who cares about WHIP
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 17, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is this pitcher pitching against?
That may influence my decision.
Okay, I have two then
If there is no DH, I take CC Sabathia. He showed he is a big game pitcher in last year’s playoffs, and if there is no DH I will happily take is .266/.274/.395 line as a batter.
If there is a DH I take Roy Halladay.
How quickly we forget . . .
I’ll take C.C. Sabathia based on what he did way back in . . . . October 2009. Gman is right.
I’d take Matt Cain. Guy would give you all of himself, he has the makeup, he has the stuff, he has the stats, and he has the ability to go out there every day and throw a no hitter.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jun 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
Cain’s good
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Zack Grienke
He’s struggled a bit this year, but his stuff is really good.
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by ntrokel on Jun 16, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed
but I wouldn’t want the Royals batting for me tho….
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a lot of effort going into identifying the pitcher with the best season and strength of schedule.
How about a little love for Ricky Romero and Shaun Marcum?
Romero Marcum
TEXx2 TEX
CHWx2 BAL
LAAx2 LAA
TBR KCR
OAK BOSx2
CLE OAK
SEA CHW
BAL MIN
NYY ARI
COL BAL
TBRx2
SDP
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dude can pitch
and he’s done it in the playoff before, albeit as a reliever -see Beltran, Carlos, strikeout looking to end NLCS
by YanksVikes on Jun 16, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
David Price or Cliff Lee.
Roy Halladay possibly too…
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by Gelatin on Jun 16, 2010 1:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Right Now
Looks like the top 4 choices are Pettitte, Lee, Price, Swisher
Gotta rec’ the others if you want them in the final vote
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I don't want to add to the giant Price thread above, but:
If it’s strength of schedule we care about, Price isn’t even the best pitcher in his own division.
AL East Pitchers by WAR:
Jon Lester: 2.5
Ricky Romero: 2.4
Phil Hughes: 2.2
Clay Buchholz, Sean Marcum: 2.1
Andy Pettitte, Brett Cecil, David Price, James Shields, Brandon Morrow: 1.5
In other words, Price isn’t even the FIFTH best pitcher in his division; he’s 10-2, but he’s also playing way over his head right now (ERA 2.31; xFIP 4.35) for a really good team.
Still go with Price.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
by that metric
even Andy Pettitte’s not the best choice, which he clearly could be.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 16, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
you're the most stubborn man I've ever talked to haha
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 16, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He wont change his mind because he isn’t using any actual stats, reason, or rationale. He is just in belief that Price is (which is fine, he is entitled to that opinion).
But the problem is, you can’t make an argument Bradshaw, you can only say, I believe. If you don’t use stats or rationale, you can only say this is something I think, maybe it is a gut feeling, I dont know. But stats don’t back you up in any way.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jun 17, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd go with Lincecum
He doesn’t have any post-season experience, but he’s been phenomenal his entire career. Plus, he’d probably be high on weed, so he wouldn’t feel the pressure. If anything, he’d want to get outs quick so he could get back to the dugout and eat Oreos.
by long time listener on Jun 16, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
Jimmy Key 94'
Or Andy Pettitte!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jun 16, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
Cliff Lee
The guy was lights out last year in the post season. 2009 was the only post season Cliff Lee has ever started in, but he made the most of it, and was 2009s most dominant post season pitcher.
Jeff Weaver
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