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Crouching Catchers, Hidden Prospects

Before we get started talking about Yankee catchers of the present and future, I'd like to introduce something I'm going to call "mood music."   Given the amount of music chat that's gone on in the community, at the top of some of my posts, I'd like to link to some music for your listening pleasure, and will gladly take your recommendations and comments if it catches on.  Today's inaugural mood music choice? No Quarter by Led Zeppelin.  Now, to business.

On August 17th, Jorge Posada will turn 39 (which is about 55 in catcher's years), and although he hasn't shown too many signs of slowing down (here I think he is helped by not catching 100 games in a season until he was 28), we really have no way of knowing how long it will be before he turns into a pumpkin.  Just recently, Posada spent some time on the DL with a fractured right foot, and we got a glimpse of what life will be like when he decides to hang 'em up.  The verdict: Not so hot.

From when he took over as the starting catcher (May 17th) to the present, Francisco Cervelli has posted an uninspiring .194/.293/.222 slash.  Obviously Cervelli isn't that bad of a hitter, nor is he as good of a hitter as his near .400 average for most of the month of April and early May would have lead you to believe.  We're still dealing with the small sample size monster, but I'm pretty confident that he's somewhere in between.  And I tend not to put a ton of stock in CERA, or applying the pitcher's success to the catcher (I think it's 95% smoke and mirrors), but since May 17th, the Yankees have given up an average of 4.54 runs/game, which is actually an increase from the overall season average of 3.98 runs/game.

Cervelli is an absolutely terrific back up catcher, as he provides defense, enthusiasm, handles the staff well, and has the ability to draw a walk or slap a single, but given the amount of talent building in the minors at the catching position, and the amount of miles still left in Posada's tank, I don't think he's going to be spending much more time as a primary catcher for the Yankees.

So yeah, I'm going to talk about Montero and Romine after the jump.

Star-divide

Stop me if you've heard either of these statements before: Jesus Montero has a Miguel Cabrera-like, major-league ready bat, the only question is whether or not he'll be able to stick at catcher.  If Jesus Montero could at least get his catching to a level equal to Posada's, he could be a huge contributor for the Yankees.

I feel like I've heard both approximately 10,000 times, but let's think about them, for they do have some validity.  As the youngest player in the International League (still just 20) and having absolutely torn the cover off the ball at every level up to AA, Jesus is considered a special bat by a bunch of people who know a ton more about scouting than I do.  So what's up with his current .222/.299/.344 ugliness at the AAA level?  Is it the better competition?  Is he pressing? Swinging at bad pitches? Actually, not really.

Looking a little deeper at Jesus's stats, via his page on Minor League Splits, showed me a bunch of interesting things.  For one, despite hitting line drives at a solid clip of 19%, Jesus is sporting a microscopic BABIP of .252.  He also has only 3 HR on 43 fly balls hit to the outfield.  Both of these should regress upwards considerably.  Furthermore, Jesus also has drawn 21 walks in 210 plate appearances (10%), while striking out only 38 times (18%).  He's putting the ball in play, and hitting a good percentage of line drives, the batting numbers will fall into line.

[His minor league splits page is a few games behind, but it was the only place I could find some of those ratios]

Now, about his defense.  I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but he isn't going to play a corner infield position with Tex and A-Rod cemented in there, and we aren't just going to stick him in the outfield and see how he does.  There has been way too much talk of him being the "catcher of the future" and how important his develop is to the organization to just stick him in right field and hope he turns out OK out there.  Maybe when Tex is gone, he plays some 1B, but if Jesus comes up and plays with the Yankees, his time will primarily be as a catcher or as a DH.

So far, Montero has allowed approximately 1 stolen base per game, and is throwing out runners at a 20.6% clip (for reference, Posada throws out runners at a 28.9% throughout his career, Cervelli at 28.2%,) to go with 9 passed balls and 4 errors, so he hasn't been terribly great in this department, but I don't have a ton of faith in AAA pitchers holding the runner on.  For a 20 year old, I'm not going to say Montero's defense isn't fixable, but it's not MLB ready either.

And as always, eternally overshadowed is Austin Romine, who is hitting extremely well at AA (.299/.367/.439 with a 20.4 LD%), and is excellently interviewed by Travis here.  So with the glut of young catching talent in the organization with Cervelli, Montero, Romine, and even guys like Gary Sanchez, what is to be done?

Keep them in the minors.  Don't look to unload prospects.  It isn't a logjam.  The absolute wrong thing to do would be to sell low on any of these guys, especially with Posada and Cervelli holding down the fort at the major league level (assuming Jorge keeps Father Time at bay for a little while longer), there really is no rush to get any of them up to the major league level.  Let all of these guys season in the minors, and the best players will rise to the top.

Poll
Who leads the Yankees in games caught in 2013?
Jorge Posada and his age defying magical powers
66 votes
Francisco Cervelli and his Omnipotence
261 votes
Jesus Montero and his Miguel Cabrera bat
342 votes
Austin Romine and his MLB ready defense
506 votes
A genetically engineered Joe Mauer clone
53 votes
Someone else who I will think of a cliche for when the time comes
52 votes

1280 votes | Poll has closed

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I think Romine

Although we never know if some prospect from another team will start playing well and become available and the Yankees get him instead. I think Montero either gets traded or is a DH at that time (sorry everyone) and I truly think Romine stands the better chance of sticking at catcher position with the Yankees

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by Brandon C. on Jun 12, 2010 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I will be shocked if Posada catches more than 20 games for the Yankees in 2013. Actually, I’ll be shocked if he catches 1 game. If he’s around in 2013, he’ll be the DH.

by long time listener on Jun 12, 2010 11:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Can't we just ask Cervelli

to hook his team up with a tap to the fountain of youth?

I voted for Romine because it sounds like he’s the better catcher. I would rather it be Cervelli. And, sadly, I’d say there’s no way Jorge can still catch come ’13.

by CAyankeesfan on Jun 12, 2010 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Also,

this song fulfills everything that I imagine tripping on acid must be like. Haha.

by CAyankeesfan on Jun 12, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I saw John Paul Jones playing in support of his solo album Zooma, he mentioned having played mellotron on this song as one of two things in support of his musical breadth. The other was having produced the Butthole Surfers.

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by Q-TDSK on Jun 13, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll admit I like the music idea.

It could help widen musical horizons for some people, which is always good. Though, I didn’t agree with this song choice not a Zeppelin fan.

"When my time on Earth is gone, and my activities here are past, I want they bury me upside down so all my critics can kiss my a**"- Bob Knight

"Talent is God-given, be grateful. Fame is man-given, be humble. Conceit is self-given, be careful."- John Wooden

"Never take anything for granted. Don't forget, great prices have been paid and will be paid again if you become too smug, too egotistical and self-assured."- Johnny Cash

by JumpinJackFlash on Jun 13, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same

Favorite band is The Who personally and I like almost every band that is similar to Led Zeppelin but I cannot stand Robert Plant

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"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Jun 13, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just not a Zeppelin fan.

The Who is alright, I’ve got no problem with them. Personally, Skynyrd is one of my favorites along with the Rolling Stones. Bob Seiger is always good. I’ll also admit to liking The Beach Boys, but I do have kind of antiquated taste in music growing up going to car shows on a regular basis.

"When my time on Earth is gone, and my activities here are past, I want they bury me upside down so all my critics can kiss my a**"- Bob Knight

"Talent is God-given, be grateful. Fame is man-given, be humble. Conceit is self-given, be careful."- John Wooden

"Never take anything for granted. Don't forget, great prices have been paid and will be paid again if you become too smug, too egotistical and self-assured."- Johnny Cash

by JumpinJackFlash on Jun 13, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zeppelin is my favorite band because the music (meaning drums, guitar, bass, keyboard, etc) is so great, but to be totally honest, there are a ton of singers that I like more than Robert Plant.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, I kind of liked the guitar part in that.

I’m a guitar player myself, so I always like hearing good guitar parts. There’s some artists I wish would’ve been recorded more with their guitar just because they were good rhythm guitar players.

"When my time on Earth is gone, and my activities here are past, I want they bury me upside down so all my critics can kiss my a**"- Bob Knight

"Talent is God-given, be grateful. Fame is man-given, be humble. Conceit is self-given, be careful."- John Wooden

"Never take anything for granted. Don't forget, great prices have been paid and will be paid again if you become too smug, too egotistical and self-assured."- Johnny Cash

by JumpinJackFlash on Jun 13, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um, Brandon?

There is no other band “that is similar to Led Zeppelin”. As there is no other band like The Beatles…

by david d on Jun 13, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget JR Murphy

and Jesus seems to finally be emerging. he went 3-4 tonight and is 8 for his last 20 with 4 doubles. next year i expect to see a three-man catching rotation between him, Frankie and Jorge.

oh, and part 2 of Romine’s interview will go up Monday morning.

by Travis G on Jun 12, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn’t forget JR, but I figured he’d be in the “additional depth, wait and see” mix as well.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

slightly off topic

but i also wanted to say that it’s better Montero struggles now at AAA than in MLB. assuming he rebounds, it will serve him better in the long run than destroying every level of the minors before struggling in the Bigs without the experience of how to get past it (adam jones and matt wieters come to mind… not to say they won’t recover, but it’s much harder to do so where they are than in AAA).

by Travis G on Jun 13, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shoot! I forgot to mention the expression that the player who never struggles in the minors always struggles in the majors.

That’s a good point Travis and I agree. If Jesus is going to take some lumps (everybody does), I’d rather they be at AAA when he’s 20 than when he’s a Yankee when he’s 24.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Romine is only throwing out 25%

of baserunners at AA. I don’t know of his defense personally, because I’ve never seen him play, but its gotten good reviews.

I believe in the Church of Baseball

by Frank Campagnola on Jun 12, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm hoping for Jesus, but so much depends on his development.

I would think that eventually Montero or Romine would be traded. Which one, I’m not sure, but I doubt they will both be on the team indefinitely. If the somewhat near future looked something like Montero/Cervelli with a Jorge DH, I’d be fine with that.

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 12, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice song choice, by the way.

I’m glad you decided to go through with the idea.

The instrumental parts were amazing.

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 13, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking Romine.

The Yankees philosophy right now seems to be favoring the more multifaceted players over players with the bigger bats: GGBG was kept over Melky, and Ramiro Pena is the primary utility player, for two examples. Plus, if Montero really has a Miguel Cabrera-type bat, they might want more at-bats out of him than the primary catcher usually gets. (I’m assuming one of the current aging stars, possibly Posada, will be occupying DH mostly by that point.) So, as long as Romine hits reasonably well, I think he’d be favored on the basis of his stronger defense.

BTW, belated congrats on the moderatorship, Lord Duggan.

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by Q-TDSK on Jun 13, 2010 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Very nice At Bat song choice! I would've gone with Bring It On Home, since we're dealing with Catchers!

Also, I agree that I do not want the Yankees trading either Jesus or Austin at all until they are ready to come up and we’re sure who the new Catchise is going to be. Posada’s probably got maybe a year left as a catcher, if even that. Cervelli, as much as I love him, will probably only ever be a backup on the Yankees if Jesus and Austin come up and do well. He could probably do very well on another team, but we’ll see what happens when the time comes.

NOW, I say do a Yankeeography on GGBG and make Carry On My Wayward Son your Mood Music!

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jun 13, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Now, Carry On Wayward Son would've been a good choice.

"When my time on Earth is gone, and my activities here are past, I want they bury me upside down so all my critics can kiss my a**"- Bob Knight

"Talent is God-given, be grateful. Fame is man-given, be humble. Conceit is self-given, be careful."- John Wooden

"Never take anything for granted. Don't forget, great prices have been paid and will be paid again if you become too smug, too egotistical and self-assured."- Johnny Cash

by JumpinJackFlash on Jun 13, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or...

Pinball Wizard- The Who
Jukebox Hero- Foreigner
Tom Sawyer- Rush
Jack and Diane- John Cougar Mellencamp
Every Rose Has It’s Thorn- Poison
Wanted Dead or Alive- Bon Jovi

"When my time on Earth is gone, and my activities here are past, I want they bury me upside down so all my critics can kiss my a**"- Bob Knight

"Talent is God-given, be grateful. Fame is man-given, be humble. Conceit is self-given, be careful."- John Wooden

"Never take anything for granted. Don't forget, great prices have been paid and will be paid again if you become too smug, too egotistical and self-assured."- Johnny Cash

by JumpinJackFlash on Jun 13, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the FO really wants to keep Montero.

Who knows what will be the case in 2013. My guess is that Cervelli is the starting catcher with Montero getting some time at DH and spelling Cervelli a game or two per week.

Also I like the music idea, though I’m not a huge Zeppelin fan.

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by groot on Jun 13, 2010 1:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Romine

I think they’ll do something stupid with Montero and trade him

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 13, 2010 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Won't be stupid

if the Yanks can get somebody worth a damn in return…for once.

by david d on Jun 13, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless its King Felix

it won’t be.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 13, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys will end up with Victor Martinez anyhow

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

doubt it

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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 13, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

why do you just assume every Red Sox player is bad, just beacuse they are on Boston?

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the point?

Texeria is the 1B for the next 7 years. Posada can still DH/C for a number of years.

They have Montero and Romine coming up…what the hell do they need V-Mart for? I was 50/50 on signing Joe Mauer given their stock-pile of catching…what the hell is Victor Martinez?

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 13, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, just a rumor I heard.
Every time I bring a Red Sox player up he has some sort of comment about how much they suck or something.

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh...

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 13, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

um…

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya can't blame him!

He’s a Yankee fan. Most of us NEVER want a former Sux player donning pinstripes. Count me as one of them, although I wouldn’t say they ALL suck. But most, yes. lol.

by david d on Jun 13, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So your telling me that Dustin pedroia, Kevin Youkilis, Jon Lester, Clay Buchholz, Adrian Beltre, and Victor Martinez suck?
Seriously? Im a Boston fan and am able to say that Teixiera, Cano, Jeter, Posada, Sabathia, Rodriguez, and Granderson are good players. Its baseball common sense

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

But as of now, Tex sucks.

by david d on Jun 13, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will accept Youkilis, Lester, and JD Drew as Yankees without question.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Youk, can’t stand the guy. Yes, he’s good, but not a Yankee.

by david d on Jun 13, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we would learn to appreciate him given how much he produces on the field.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Youks a very good player, but I can understand how Yankees fans can hate him.

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cant have any of them ;)
and Drew is an interesting choice… Not Pedroia, or Buchholz?

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cano is better than Pedroia, and Pedroia can’t play anywhere but 2B, Buchholz I would also gladly steal.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pedroia is a former SS

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

so?

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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 13, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lester is very good. Probaly the best lefty in baseball.

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know if hes the best

but I would love to have him on the Yankees

by Yankees10 on Jun 13, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Lee, but Lester is a close second

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont forget CC

Those 3 are probably the best

by Yankees10 on Jun 13, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johan. Liriano. Hell, even Pettitte and Romero are making a case based on their pitching this year.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Price

aka the best pitcher in baseball, pimp slaps you till Thurdsay

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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 13, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot him. Good call.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

but if I had to pick I would probably pick one of those three and then them. David Price is another one.

by Yankees10 on Jun 13, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think those 3 are the best, but there’s a lot of competition.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I said Lester in my original post

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never made a comment like that

I dont say players “suck”, just because I think some players on the Yankees are better doesnt meen I think Sox players suck.

by Yankees10 on Jun 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

well it just kinda seemed that way to me

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

but as stated above, I’d love to have him THIS year to DH, which ain’t gonna happen anyway.

by david d on Jun 13, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said he was bad?

I think hes a good player, I just dont want him and we dont need him

by Yankees10 on Jun 13, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

As the guys stated above me, we don’t really need him, but another thing to consider is that V-Mart is no mercenary.

He sat at his locker and cried when he got traded from the lowly Indians to the contending Red Sox because he was so connected with that team. And he has now asked to be extended by the Sox (not sure if this has happened or not), but V-Mart has no desire or intention to keep changing teams.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

No chance the Red Sox keep him. They need a better defensive catcher. I would love VMart to stay on as the futrue DH, but I get the feeling the Red Sox dont want him.
The Red Sox have Luis Exposito as their hopeful catcher of the future, but I have also heard rumors of Kurt Suzuki.

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t be surprised if V-Mart takes a pay cut and stays in Boston as C/DH, I wouldn’t be.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 13, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Mauer off the market, some team will snag him

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by bestbostonsports on Jun 13, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Sux should keep him. Ortiz isn’t getting younger and he can DH and be the backup catcher.

by david d on Jun 13, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

he can't catch all that good

and he ain’t gonna be all that cheap. He might be stuck as a Pissant

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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 13, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live in Sux country and see and hear a lot about their players. The Yanks definitely should avoid Drew at all costs, and they shouldn’t be looking at Martinez either, lousy catcher.
I haven’t seen Romine or Monero, just read about them, but it sounds like Romine is the catcher. It seems like they’re trying to put a square peg in a round hole by having Montero by a catcher. I think Montero would be excellent trade bait for a front line pitcher in the future.

by jessie1 on Jun 13, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

dh with catching prospects

in 2012 or 2013 for that matter the dh spot will in all probabllity be a 3 man rotation with jeter, posada and arod. i dont see enough at bats for montero. he might be in a platoon situation with either cervelli or romine behind the plate. if montero’s bat is that good he better learn how to be passable as either a catcher or a corner outfielder. the yankees could be on the verge of too much depth at catcher and be able to deal from a position of strength to aquire a need at the trading deadline one of these up coming years.

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