Twins 6, Yankees 3, "Is That Even Legal?"
by Brandon C. on May 16, 2010 4:38 PM EDT
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The question in the title was asked by my brother after Jason Kubel hit a game winning grand slam off of the great one. (Mariano Rivera, not Francisco Cervelli)
The Yankees were up most of the game and seemed destined to sweep the Twins out of the Bronx. Then, in the 8th inning, Joba Chamberlain came in. Chamberlain gave up a walk and two singles (one on a misplay by Teixeira) and the Yankees brought in Rivera. Rivera walked in a run and then proceeded to shock Pinstripe Alley - and likely fans throughout baseball - by giving up a grand slam to Jason Kubel.
The Yankees did get a comeback attempt going in the bottom of the 9th, with Randy Winn and Ramiro Pena hitting back to back singles. Next, Derek Jeter, Brett Gardner, and Mark Teixeira all struck out and just like that the game was over.
Tough loss for the Yankees, as they really seemed to have it easy through the first seven innings. That's why you play all nine.
Comment of the Game: Free Bradshaw's comment about Javier Vazquez.
Play of the Game: Shockingly, Jason Kubel's Grand Slam.
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This stings.
Yankees all day.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby
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I'm not one to complain about strike zones very often
the umps do the best job they can, and I’m not going to be Rev Halofan and claim a conspiracy, but the zone today was pretty terrible as seen here. (hat tip BrooksBaseball.net)
As you can see in the picture, the Yankees threw 9 pitches in the zone that were called balls (those are the green squares) to only two for the Twins (green triangles) so I think it’s pretty fair to say that he had a tight zone, especially low and in to lefties, which is where 4 of the 9 misses against the Yankees are located (with Mariano especially getting squeezed in the Thome AB). Then in the 9th, Tex gets rung up on a questionable inside pitch. Me no likely.
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Okay so it wasn't just my imagination.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 16, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
On principle, just for the fact that it’s a south park reference
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he's yelling that to pavano
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is it possible to have two great ones i say yes
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If I never see what happened in this game happen again, it will be too soon.
"It ain't like he brought it from home." -Derek Jeter
by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 16, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
god this is painful, i left my house and it was 3-1
and bam, come home, 6-3. ouch, lets take 3 out of the next 4 and we should be in a good position. bring em on
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I'm too shocked to feel the sting of this one (even now)
However, I have a hard time thinking this is a sign of anything to come any time soon.
And while the score is the only stat that counts, a few encouraging things did happen in this game. Mitre was excellent. Robertson had 2 IP for the first time this season while giving up no runs. Thames, Winn, and Pena combined to go 5-10.
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dumb question
How is it that a .393 hitter iwith 14 RBIs s not playing? I am a huge fan of Posada, but why not have one of them DH? What is the chance that the catcher gets injured, and with the DH cachting, the pitcher bats?
Sorry, just had to ask that.
If I understand what has been said here previously
If Cervelli catches and Posada DH’s, or vice versa, if one of them was hurt and had to leave the game we’d lose the DH spot.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 16, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not only injury
if we want to pinch run for Posada or pinch hit for Cervelli or get them some rest, we can’t.
If you put your only other catcher as DH, you’re pretty much locked into that one catcher for the rest of the game, even if that game goes 15 innings, you want to use another batter, you want a pinch runner, etc. Having both catchers start the game leaves you with almost no flexibility, so it’s something that we can do from time to time, but doing it every day would be a mistake and would hurt both Frankie and Jorge.
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It's a balancing act between the dangers of having both catchers
in the lineup at once, versus the potential benefits of having them both hit. I think the dangers are overstated. The loss of the opportunity to pinch run, for example, or the very small probability that a catcher would get injured, pale in comparison to the increased offense that they would bring. How many times has a catcher had to leave the game because he was hurt? Not many. The cost of having a pitcher bat (or get pinch hit for) once or twice in a particular game isn’t very great, compared to the offensive contributions of the two Yankee catchers. So Cervelli or Jorge has to run. At leat that means they got on base. In a very competitve race with TB, I don’t think the Yanks can afford to “waste” either Jorge or Cervelli by sitting them. Other teams manage to use both catchers. Although nobody wants to use the red sox as an example, I will. Francona has for several years used one of his catchers as a DH, with pretty good results, considering the talent he has to work with.
by HilltopPark on May 17, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this
To be honest, though the concerns are valid, I think that they are overblown on this particular message board, and likely aren’t the biggest worry to Girardi, or really, any Major League manager, if the offensive benefit of the move is great enough. For instance, on Saturday, BOTH the Twins and the Yankees Dh’d their starting catchers and played their backups in the field (us for obvious reasons and them in order to rest Mauer’s bum ankle). It’s asking for trouble to do it every day, but I bet we’ll be seeing a fair amount of this move as long as Cervelli stays hot.
by jeeptheheap on May 17, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I understand
and if I thought Cervelli could maintain his .390 batting average, I’d be pushing for it as much as anybody.
Once Granderson, Swish, and NJ are healthy, Thames should DH against every lefty, NJ should DH against the majority of righties, with a DH rotation of Posada, A-Rod, Jeter, and Swisher in the days he doesn’t.
Cervelli goes back to catching 2 days a week, but could see more time if there are additional injuries.
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by Lord Duggan on May 17, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
TBH, I’m not going to put a lot of stock in NJ. Even if his wrist doesn’t require surgery (yet), I feel it’s going to nag him all year.
by Scooby Snacks on May 17, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
My understanding of his injury is that he got a cortizone shot
and if that reduces the swelling, he should be back and in good shape in a few weeks. If that doesn’t reduce the swelling, he will require surgery, and be out a few months.
Hopefully he can come back with a healthy wrist and put that OBP to work, but I think the offense will be fine with or without him.
If he is out indefinitely though, I think only a fraction of that additional playing time goes to Cervelli as we should adopt a rotating DH philosophy to give guys half days off.
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We already did due to some brillant managing by Joe.
Imagine how angry we would have been to see the game go into extra innings and have the pitcher be up in a big spot.
Yankees all day.
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sigh....
the Yanks are too banged up to be carrying 3 catchers, something you need to be doing if one of your catchers is a DH.
Posada’s got 14 RBI’s too you know.
It would be nice to have them both in the lineup of course. But they can’t right now. Hopefully they can get Granderson back and Cervelli at least semi-maintains his current numbers.
Just keep winning
by FreeBradshaw on May 16, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
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then they can send down Golson for Chad Moeller
Just keep winning
by FreeBradshaw on May 16, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
w/e we won rthe series..i expected us to lose this game but not like this
now we gotta sweep the sox and those damn rays
lets face it, all of us are just mad we lost our streak against the Twins.
Oh well, lets start a new one.
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by SteveBalboniHOF on May 16, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Sterling and Waldman
The worst part of this game was hearing the Yankees radio talkers yakking about Randy Winn when he got a double or whatever it was….that THIS IS THE RANDY WINN THAT WE EXPECT AND THEY YANKEES KNEW THEY WERE GETTING.
yeah…right. Shut up Sterling and Susie Q. Yankees radio announcers have to be the WORST.
How many times to we hear Sterling yak about “gee ya know…no one knows what’s gonna happen in this crazy game”, not to mention is over the top homer calls.
No, when the Yankees signed Winn, they expected him to suck
Those few million they’re giving him were just supposed to be charity, right? A tax write-off? They certainly didn’t expect him to actually play well. OH wait. They did. Turns out maybe they DO know more than some scrub on a message board….
We don’t know yet how the Winn signing will turn out, but he’s played something like 1800 games, it’s not like a bad first month, primarily as a sub until last week, means he all of a sudden sucks and everyone should have known. I’m going to go out on a limb and say you’re probably one of those people who’ll still call the Vazquez signing a bust when he finishes the season with double digit wins and a mid-4 ERA, just because he blew for the first month of the season….
by jeeptheheap on May 17, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually given the size of his contract
and the number of potential suitors he had, when the Yankees signed Winn they expected him to be a defensive sub and get very few ABs and only start regularly in an emergency.
And that’s pretty much what’s happened.
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by Lord Duggan on May 17, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
My impression was they signed him as a defensive sub
with some pop for late-game pinch-hitting, potentially. Which would mean he might not be expected to make an out every single time he’s up with runners in scoring position… I think they expected more offense from him than say, Pena (but not Thames).
Mostly I’m just criticizing the “Oh he played badly the few games I actually watched this season so he must have always sucked and why would Cashman sign anyone who sucks, they should just hire me as GM” attitude… you know…
What's wrong with what Sterling said?
Randy Winn is not POS, he’s a decent veteran bat and plus OF.
Sterling was just pointing out the Yanks didn’t sign Winn cuz he’s a POS. Dunno what’s wrong with what he said.
Just keep winning
by FreeBradshaw on May 17, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we stop with the Sterling rips...
Go throw it up on the announcer post.
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by SteveBalboniHOF on May 16, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
For the pro-rated league minimum only if you hate money.
by Scooby Snacks on May 17, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
But they all won rings last year....
which means they are automatically better than anyone new the Yankees might have acquired in the offseason, right?
by jeeptheheap on May 17, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok you have me convinced
for the purpose of nostalgia since aura and mystique were left across the street at the old stadium.
by Scooby Snacks on May 17, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Bruney was DFA'd
I believe that means the Nats have 10 days to work out a deal or send him through waivers. I’m guessing he ends up in Syracuse (Nats’ AAA club), essentially switching places with Drew Storen.
In all seriousness
Kiko Calero was released by the Mets yesterday while stinking it up in AAA.
Based on his pre-2010 performances, he’s a worthy, low-risk gamble.
Can’t let you do that, Starfox
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on May 17, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
he's the Nick Johnson of relievers
Just keep winning
by FreeBradshaw on May 17, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
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