New York Yankee notes: Posada's defense already a hot topic
One game, one passed ball and one looming start today for A.J. Burnett. That's all it has taken for Jorge Posada's declining defensive skills to become a topic of conversation.
John Harper of the New York Daily News today basically reiterated my point from the other day. If you are not used to Posada's occasional missteps behind home plate by now, you had better get used to them. At least this season, he isn't going anywhere.
After all these years, you know what you get with Jorge Posada. At age 38 he is still one of the best offensive catchers in the majors, as evidenced by his loud 3-for-4 night in the season opener, but obviously his defense sometimes giveth what his bat taketh.
Yes, that passed ball Sunday night cost the Yankees dearly. Yes, Posada should have handled that up-and-in fastball from Damaso Marte, even if he was set up down-and-away and had to react quickly to a pitch that missed location badly.
But it is what it is, as Mike Piazza used to say, when his defense became a major issue late in his career. And indeed, it remains to be seen if Posada's defense deteriorates to the point where it makes for an unpleasant finish to his days in New York, as it did for the former Met star.
Posada catches Burnett today. Both claim to be looking forward to starting fresh after last season's difficulties.
We will just have to see. Burnett is just a difficult guy to catch, with movement and occasional location issues. The type of pitcher Posada, at this stage, has a tough time handling. I still think our man Francisco Cervelli catches many of his starts this season.
- Manager Joe Girardi made his bullpen plan pretty obvious Sunday night. And that means Joba Chamberlain will be the primary setup man for Mariano Rivera. Question is, will he be up to the task?
TYU wonders where Joba's velocity went, since even as a reliever it doesn't seem to be what it used to be.
Out of the bullpen, where one would expect to see an uptick in velocity, Joba’s fastball was generally where it was as a starter a season ago, in the 92-93 mph range. He touched 94-96 three or four times – out of 33 pitches, mind you – however, when one considers that Joba used to regularly fire 95-98 mph fastballs into Jorge Posada’s glove as a reliever, the appearance was disheartening to say the least. Joba seemed to share that sentiment, avoiding his fastball in favor of his slider.
Writing for ESPN New York, Andrew Marchand says the Yankees have a problem if Joba proves unable to lock down the 8th inning.
The Yankees are a $200 million machine -- but if the bridge to Mariano Rivera collapses, the Red Sox and Rays could fly by in the standings, and it is not inconceivable that the Yankees could miss the playoffs. That is the pressure on Chamberlain's right shoulder.
How he handles this could be the most important element of the Yankees' young season. And if he fails, this could be the end of Chamberlain as an important Yankee, or even a Yankee at all. If he doesn't take hold of the eighth-inning role, his next stop may be riding on a Triple-A bus. ...
The expectations as we move from the Joba Rules to the Joba Roles are very high. There has been a public outcry that the Yankees have ruined Chamberlain. They held him back and have not let him be himself. Chamberlain's never said it, but you get a sense he might be feel that way, too. ...
Chamberlain is just 24 and he seems a little worn out by all the attention, all the expectations and the perception that he is failing. - New York Magazine is planning to have a little fun with John Sterling's calls this season. Sorry, but listening to Sterling is rarely fun. It's usually torture.
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Box of chocolates
AJ’s first start of the new season. Posada behind the plate. Gasoline and water. Anything could happen with AJ
Posada's catching AJ?
Joba can’t throw hard!!!????
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That's true
I think more damage was done than the Yankees ever want to admit. And you have to wonder if he has ever been truly 100% healthy ever since.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 6, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
joba's velocity
well seeing as he didnt get many innings in spring training…we should relax on the velocity thing. its april 6th for god’s sake. if he is still throwing 93 out of the pen in june we might have a problem. let him loosen his arm before we go crazy
I believe in the Church of Baseball
by Frank Campagnola on Apr 6, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Go Yankees
I am not on the ledge, but the window is open.
I am troubled that “this bridge” is based with Chan Ho Park. He did not impress me. if Joba cannot go two innings in that situation, then, he is a One inning guy. and that to me seems sad. Up until the “Bug” Game, he was a difference maker. I would rather have seen Hughes starting, and joba in the pen, two years ago.
When will the front office just admit, due to the lack of production from Joba, he have abandoned the plan we had to make him “next big star” in pinstripes. we have inadvertantly made him average.
Regardless….. our Middle Relief is the infection the Yankees have. As I see it after one Loss.
Alfredo Aceves will surely come save us
Alfredo Aceves will surely come save us
Alfredo Aceves will surely come save us
We don't play for the wild card around here kid
One game
Remember last year it took a while to shake out. Park is a good veteran, Melancon will come along and pitch well eventually, Robertson will be fine, Aceves will be fine. I wonder about Marte’s health, and I wonder about Joba’s head. But, it will work out fine.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 6, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Joba
He had an arm injury at the end of the 2008 season. Maybe they don’t know what’s wrong, but I think something is wrong.
When I asked Frankie Pilliere about it, he thought it was a mechanical issue.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Injuries
even the slightest of them, alter mechanics. I injured my elbow in college and tried to pitch thru it without letting on it was killing me. I didn’t last long, ended up playing third.
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"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Jumping the gun?
Anyone feel like the writers (and fans) are jumping the gun a little bit here? We’ve played one game so far. Everybody is still knocking the rust off, let’s give this guy a little breathing room. Is his arm as good as it once was? Who knows. Is he still a quality setup guy? I’d like to think so. Let’s let this unravel a bit more before we decide that it’s not going to cut it.
by Drew York Yanks on Apr 6, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
The Bridge To Rivera
Wait a sec… that writer is saying that the Yanks will be hard pressed to make the playoffs if Joba isn’t successful as the 8th inning man? I thought relief pitchers weren’t important.
by Gas-House Gorilla on Apr 6, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
Relief pitchers are important, but when compared to competent starting pitching, starting pitching is more valuable to the average team.
The Yankees’ biggest concern at the moment is the 7th and 8th innings relievers. There are 29 teams that would love that headache. The Rays and Red Sox are wondering if their DH can produce, the Dodgers consider Guadin (who couldn’t make the Yanks out of Spring Training) for their rotation, the Phillies have Brad Lidge as closer, the Cardinals almost have a bullpen, the Cubs are the Cubs.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Okay, outside of his arm...
Posada has been questionable behind the plate for a couple of years now. I do think it’s time to consider going with him as the DH, and letting Cervelli do the catching.
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I imagine
that is why the Yankees did not resign Matsui. I could see Cervelli catching a good deal of games this year. At least Nick Johnson, when healthy (operative word!) can play 1B.
wait
so if posada is DHing, cervelli is catching, and nick johnson is at 1st…..where is Teixeira? fact of the matter is that we are gonna have to deal with Posada behing the plate for 100+ games.
I believe in the Church of Baseball
by Frank Campagnola on Apr 6, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry wasn't exactly clear...
what I meant is on days that Posada is DH, the Yankees have the flexibility of using Johnson in the field if they want to give Teixera a rest day. Matsui doesn’t really give you that option.
behind* the plate
I believe in the Church of Baseball
by Frank Campagnola on Apr 6, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't
Need Nick Johnson, that guy is a joke. Put Cano in 2-hole, Posada DH, bring up Montero to catch, see how it goes. If not, have Cervelli catch and Montero pinch hit late in the game. I think Cano can be very good out of the 2-hole, all he has to do is get more place discipline. Yanks cannot afford Posada’s old ass catching 100+ games this season, I really think he cost us the game with that PB (and Girardi’s bulpen move, of course). Yankees just simply cannot afford to lose games because of an old catcher. Passed balls are one thing, another thing is he cannot throw at all anymore, how many games can he cost us, just by making the pitcher worry too much about the stolen base.
If the Yankees are serious about Montero being a catcher
He needs to spend another full season catching in the minors. We did fine last season with Posada-Molina and it will be fine with Posada-Frankie. Nick Johnson is a 1 year guy because I have a feeling Posada will be primary DH next season with either Montero coming up or Cervelli catching with Montero as his back up.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Apr 6, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And ...
How many World Series have they won with him catching? I know he isn’t the defensive player he once was — no catcher approaching 40 ever has been the same as they were at 30. But, the guy has done a lot of tremendous things for the franchise. Yes, his defense is deteriorating but I will never kill the guy because of what he has meant — and still means — to this team.
Tell that
To Damon and Matsui. Posada has only been the starting catcher since 2000, so that’s only one more WS win as a starter than Damon and Matsui.
In my opinion, Posada should be evaluated as the season progresses and if his “deteriorating” defensive skills cost us key wins or if they start taking away from his run production, his status as the starting catcher should be changed. He got 2 RBI on Sunday but gave away a run with the PB, so he really only got the team 1 run.
by phonty on Apr 6, 2010 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's only been the starting catcher since 2000?
So who started a majority of the games they playes in 1998 and 1999? Someone else?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Well…
Factually, you are correct, Casanova. Jorge started the most games at C in ’98 and ’99, but it was clearly more of a platoon role.
’98
Joe G 76
Jorge 85
’99
Joe G 64
Jorge 98
’00
Turner 23
Jorge 136
I disagree with phonty’s premise that being an important platoon player disqualifies his role on those championship teams (he had more than 400 PA in ’98 and ’99).
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
I was comparing
Posada as a full time catcher vs Damon and Matsui as full time outfielders with their similar defensive shortcomings (or Matsui as a full time DH and no flexibility to play the field and stay in the lineup)
by phonty on Apr 6, 2010 5:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jorgey gets no credit whatsoever when a pitcher throws a gem
but all the credit when a pitcher throws a horrendously offline pitch.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 6, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
1998
He’s earned 4 rings. Played 8 games in ‘96, probably didn’t get even a partial share.
Yanks will likely need Jorge, Cervelli, Johnson and another catcher (preferably Montero) to get through the season. Jorge can start some games at catcher as long as he still mashes, but he’s gotta be pulled at any sign of a lead. Gonna need a third catcher on the roster for that. No need to bench NJ, just wait for injury, plus I gotta believe he’ll outperform Jorge at the plate this year. Isn’t his career OBP > .400 without Tex and Arod behind him.
Joba's velocity
should increase as the season goes on. i expect him to be consistently 95+ once we get into the heart of the season.

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