Back to Javy

I would nibble too if I couldn’t touch 90 and didn’t have Pettitte’s arsenal. If he can’t get his heater over 90, or find a way to win at 88 mph, he won’t win in the American League.

I don’t understand the suckitude comparison at all. CC’s sucking involved an ERA half of Vazquez’s, and Wang was on his way to more surgery. Considering that Joba, Mitre, and Aceves would all happily give you 5 better innings, how much more slack should Javy get?

Too early to tell. But never mention Javy in the same sentence with CC, even at his best Javy is not in the same league as CC. That is like comparing a slow start from Nick Johnson compared to a slow start from Pujols.

He may have been a decent starter elsewhere, but Javier Vazquez was never a Yankee, and will likely never be a Yankee. Some players are just not destined to be. Get a fifth starter from within or without, but it’s a fait accompli that he will not succeed in New York with the Yankees. For now, I look to each of his starts as a near-automatic loss.

… but then I’m an Angels fan so I don’t really have the Yankee’s best interest at heart…

this link is right on PA’s homepage so you’ve all probably read it (and yeah, Phillips MIGHT be a little biased on the matter), but it pretty much expresses exactly what I’ve been trying to get across concerning the fans’ treatment of Vazquez in the early-going.

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/04/26/memo-to-boobirds-you-arent-helping/

Vazquez’s BABIP is .342, at this rate is the highest since 2000. Everything seems flukish. No worries. Javier will right the ship.

VAZQUEZ HAD A BETTER WHIP (1.03) LAST SEASON THAN
TIM LINCECUM (1.05), ROY HALLADAY (1.13), CC SABATHIA (1.15), and ZACK GREINKE (1.07)…

The guy can pitch regardless of whether it is in the AL or the NL, he is just going through some mechanic issues right now. Unless he gets hurt this season he will give us 200 innings/200 K’s and a respectable ERA probably in the high 3’s/low 4’s.

Idk about you guys but I will take that EVERY TIME from our 4th starter. That is better than what Joba would give us, and certainly better than whatever the heck Mitre would spew out.

Nobody wants to cut Vazquez any slack because of the way his last year in pinstripes ended, and I get that… but it’s 2010 people… I think its pretty goddamn stupid that some of you are not even giving him a chance to prove what he can do.

It’s not like he’s even gotten shelled every time out, he’s pitched respectably and usually has one bad inning where things seem to get out of hand.

The thing is though, he’s given us a chance to win every time out, something that neither CC or especially Wang were doing early last season. In fact, I would be so bold as to say that if Thames caught that ball last game and didn’t look like an idiot out there (Gardner should be the everyday leftfielder imo but that’s another story for another day) we wouldn’t even be having this conversation right now. We would’ve probably won the game and everyone would be talking about how Javy gave us a good start against a tough Angels team.

Whatever, though I’m not gonna make Javy our scapegoat this early in the season. Our team looks awesome, we’re winning, and I’d like to believe that Javy is going to get it together at one point or another this season (and probably sooner than later)… he’s just too solid of a pitcher.

let’s make that clear.

I tried with this man and I didn’t wana judge to early but he can’t even go a full 5 innings. Hughes is only 2 3 games into the starter roll and he’s looking 10x better than this dude. I get nervous watching javy pitch knowing he might give up 10000 runs in 2 inngins

how well he winds up doing it’s absurd to think he’ll duplicate what he did in the NL last year. He doesn’t need to do that to be worth keeping in the rotation. His career AL record is very similar to what he did in 2004 with the Yanks. He’s 52-46 with about a 4.50 ERA in the AL, and his best season by far was 2007 when he was 15-8 with a 3.74 ERA with 219 IP and 197 hits allowed, along with striking out 213. His other AL years have him as a reliable innings eater who wins between 11-14 games year with an ERA over 4.40. Without even knowing where he maxed out with the Braves and Sox as far as velocity goes, his stats show he has five 200 strikeout or more years, two of which came with Chicago, and that he’s struck out 150 or more 10 years in a row. This leads me to believe that he’s easily a 91-93 mph guy when he’s on cause the odds on striking out that many relying primarily on off-speed pitches with 2 strikes is VERY low, and if a pitcher’s patterns and command are right he will get people to swing and miss at fastballs at times regardless of velocity. Pettitte still gets strikeouts on fastballs cause his control and patterns are good. If Javy’s hitting 88-89 now somethings wrong. It’s not reflective of his prior results. It’ll make it more difficult for him to get away with mistakes: Pettitte’s a good pitcher who just happens to get strikeout at times. Javy’’s SUPPOSED to be a strikeout pitcher. Let’s hope he works himself out of this. He can’t be breaking down at 34.