New York Yankee notes: All Joba, all the time
Our man 'kuri' is absolutely right that our obsession as New York Yankees with Joba Chamberlain is clearly over the top -- way, way over the top.
So, I cringe and duck for cover as I publish today's notebook. Because the bulk of it will deal with the young Mr. Chamberlain.
Joba was excellent Wednesday, showing the stuff and the demeanor the Yankees have long wanted to see each and every time he pitches.
Outstanding," Joe Girardi said. "Worked quickly and attacked the zone. That’s what you want to see — quality."
No matter what happens with the fifth starter role I think we should all take to heart some advice offered by Mike Vaccaro of the New York Post.
Maybe it's simply best that everyone pack those old images of Chamberlain from the summer and autumn of 2007 -- right up until the midges got him in Cleveland -- and simply store them in a file cabinet somewhere, pulled every once in a while for fond recollection.
Maybe it's best for everyone to do what the Yankees have clearly done: turned the page on Joba the Rock Star, Joba the Human Standing O, and focus instead on Joba the Kid Pitcher. The pitcher who still is just 24 years old, the one who should still have a long and successful career ahead of him. If that means he won't be Sandy Koufax, should that be held against him?
"Sometimes, I just have to remember to be myself," Chamberlain said yesterday afternoon, inside the visitor's clubhouse at Bright House Field, after the Phillies beat the Yankees 6-2. "I have to attack the zone. Be aggressive. And let it fly."
Vaccaro is right on target. Joba the Rock Star is gone. He is a talented young pitcher still perfecting his craft. Let's just see where the ride goes.
- ESPN's Buster Olney says the Yankees need to stop trying to force A.J. Burnett and Jorge Posada on each other.
The reality that they don't work well together was eventually on display again Tuesday in the Yankees' exhibition. Burnett and Posada appeared to disagree frequently on pitch selection, and Burnett would step off the rubber frequently, and the game moved along with all the pace of a curling match. Posada was short in throwing the ball back to the mound a couple of times; he'd drop the ball. It all just looked really sloppy and slow, and in the end Burnett lasted 2 1/3 innings and walked four and allowed two hits and a run.
Rival evaluators believe Posada's catching skills -- his ability to glove pitches cleanly and frame the ball -- have regressed. And some of the same evaluators think Burnett is not the best at putting on mental blinders to distractions, such as a catcher who is dropping pitches. But properly placing blame for this situation at the feet of Burnett or Posada, or both, is really irrelevant at this point. What matters is that it just doesn't seem to work.Girardi is right in teaming Posada and Burnett in exhibition games, in having these two old pros try to get as comfortable as they can be with each other. But once the games start, Girardi should feel comfortable assigning Burnett's starts to Francisco Cervelli, in the same way he uses Derek Jeter in the No. 1 spot in the lineup and Mark Teixeira in the No. 3 spot, in the way he aligns his outfield. He should do what gives his team the best chance of winning.
CC Sabathia and Posada are functional together, and so are Andy Pettitte and Posada; in fact, Posada and Pettitte have worked together for about a decade's worth of games. But the Burnett-Posada tandem just doesn't fit. - River Avenue Blues makes a strong case against signing Joe Mauer if he is a free agent next off season.
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Joba
I think we’re lucky to have such a great selection of pitchers to round out our rotation. I’ll be happy with Joba, Hughes or Aceves as the number 5 guy. Joba and Hughes both have a lot to work on, but like many pitchers, they show flashes of brilliance. Only time will tell us who will be most consistent.
Indeed
We are fortunate our team has such “problems.”
by Ed Valentine on Mar 18, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Olney
is spot on about Posada and Burnett. It appeared to me last year that all of our pitchers were more comfortable with Cervelli catching.
I don't
Agree with Olney often, but I said it all last year. Posada will only catch 100-110 games, I think.
by Great Gatsby on Mar 18, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
People can say what they want
The cat of the matter is that the catcher and pitcher relationship is important, and even though the pitcher is the one calling the pitches, the catcher is the one calling them. Every time I pitch a game and have a catcher who I absolutely have no trust in, whether it be picking up my curveballs in the dirt or calling my game, I’ll ask him to take him out and put in another catcher. It really does get annoying for the pitcher, always shaking off pitches and talking on the mound.
If Burnett and Posada disagree on how to attack a game, then Cervelli needs to be played every 5 games, simple as that.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Sorry
*fact of the matter, not cat of the matter
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
And the pitcher is the one pitching, cather calling
…I had a wrong-spelling lapse.
I also ask the coach to take the catcher out of the game. I’m really sorry about that.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
hehehe maybe you should just try this all over again?
JK Great point, I was a pitcher as well for A Division 1 program and I hated not to be on the same page as my catcher. One of my pet peeves was if the catcher didn’t place his glove low enough, just below the knees. That was my thing to help me keep the ball low for ground balls instead of homeruns. Cervelli is definitely a better defensive catcher than Posada and I would rather pitch to him then Posada. But D 1 isn’t the pros so……………..it is just an opinion.
"My office is at Yankee stadium. Yes, dreams do come true."
Derek Jeter
I feel your pain man
I needed to know that my catcher would come through when I wouldn’t, because of my curveball. I struck out a ton of guys on it bit it into the dirt most of the time. And we had this cather with an amazing arm, but he didn’t know how to handle pitches in the dirt. I stopped throwing it, stopped striking out guys, and it all went south. So the catcher-pitcher relationship is VERY important.
You have to ask yourself, over the course of the season, how many more WAR is Posada worth than Cervelli starting every 5th game? Then subtract that number from the runs you save with Burnett having his games caught by a defensively-minded catcher, and you’d definitely have a net-win in games.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Best Option...Joba "Pen"... Hughes "Starter"
Joba as set-up & eventual closer after Mo retires makes the most sense to me.
Aceves as long relief as he was great last year.
Gaudin & Mitre should be traded.
by YANKEES FOREVER on Mar 18, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
Please do not make too many positive Cervelli references where Duggan might see them.
Now that Chamberlain has had a solid appearance, everyone who made a panicy post about him in the last week needs to log in and apologize.
Posada wasn’t going to catch more than 120 games or so this year anyway, so if Cervelli becomes Burnett’s “personal catcher,” what of it? Burnett threw 17 wild pitches last year, I believe (tied for the league lead), and needs the best backstop he can find. I wouldn’t have any problem with just giving up on getting Posada and Burnett together.
I like the expression " cat of the matter" and think we should keep it.
I’m not convinced by River Ave. Blues anti- Mauer argument. I think keeping him away from Boston and using some of the minor league catchers as trade bait is exactly the way Yankee brass operates.
by designatedquitter on Mar 18, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
Since Joba had 3 good innings, that means he’s got to go to the pen.
I want to bet that feeling back in my balls from 2007, so Joba must go to the pen. Or else I may have to resort to Viagra.
Master of the squeegee
And..
If you have an erection lasting more than 4 hours, seek medical attention immediately.
Hey at 50+ years young, if I had an erection that lasts more than 4 hours, I would be like
Gene Kelly….“Singing in the Rain, I’m singing in the rain”.
by Great Gatsby on Mar 18, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
since Posada won't
catch more than 120 games, it makes sense to have Cervelli be Burnett’s catcher, so both Posada and Cervelli know exactly when they will and won’t be playing.
cart before the horse...
…you’re comfortable with Cervelli’s bat in the lineup come postseason over Posada’s?
Burnett & Cervelli makes sense.
If Posada will only catch 120-130 games… Burnett & Cervelli is the best option
Gardner/Winn split in left should be the best defensive option & for #9 hole.
by YANKEES FOREVER on Mar 18, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
If Cervelli goes on the DL, my move would be to call up Romine.
He is the best defensive catcher avaialble, and I would just live with it while he learned to hit major league pitching.
by designatedquitter on Mar 19, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
If money is RAB’s reasoning not to sign Mauer, I have the solution.
Hypothetically, Mauer, Rivera and Jeter will be FA at the same time. If it comes down to signing one and not the other, the smart baseball move is to sign Mauer.
You then turn to the two ‘champions’ and say, if you want to win in a Yankee uniform, just sign for less than you’re worth.
They did it to Andy when CC and AJ were available.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
I don't know if you were serious with that
But no way Cashman does that. Of course it helps the team, plus Jeter and Mo probably aren’t going to be worth their future extensions anyway. But Jeter’s the one who says “If you want me in a Yankee uniform, this is the salary I want”. He’s earned the right. Pettite was a completely different case.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
I’m dead serious.
Of the 3, I’ll take Mauer, Jeter, then Mo.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
I'd rather see Mauer go to the Pissants
then risk the chance of Jeet going to a different uni.
Simply, I wouldn’t watch baseball until he retired if Jeet wound up somewhere else.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If Mauer hits FA
we will write him a blank check.
End of story.
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
Burnet needs a catcher
who can prevent 5 wild pitches in an inning and still call for the curve ball. Love Posada, but he’s never been that kind of catcher, and his skills have not exactly progressed.
Has anyone ever analyzed Mo and Posada compared to Mo and everyone else? It just seems to me that if we’re going to ask Jorge to share some of the blame for AJ’s inconsistency, we have to give him part of the credit for one of the most successful pitchers in history.
See i dont think jorge should share in any of the blame
For AJ’s inconsistancies….Sure posada isn’t the best defensive catcher…but AJ is a grown man…and tell the truth i’d still rather have jorge as my catcher then 90% of the field….
But if Mauer hits FA…buh bye jorge……
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