Has it really come to this?
If I am to believe the media's spin, then today is apparantly the biggest day of Joba Chamberlain's life.
If he pitches well in today's critical game against the Phillies (who, by the way, may or may not use half of their regular starting lineup), then he'll stay in the running for the 5th starter's job, and we'll get to rehash the argument over his role on the pitching staff for another few days, until he makes his next do-or-die start (followed by another few days of debate and another do-or-die start). On the other hand, if he pitches poorly, then he'll almost certainly move to the bullpen to start the season, and perhaps inevitably, for the rest of his career.
I don't know what's spin and what's real anymore. Joba Chamberlain has been a godsend for the careers of so many sportswriters who owe their professional existence to having something to write about every day. Other than that, he's just like any other young pitcher who has ups and downs.
Does anbody else realize how irrational our obsession with this poor guy has become, how ridiculous and self-serving the media's coverage is, and how this long-winded and ultimately futile debate is ultimately the result of four trivially small numbers?
24 is the number of major league innings Joba pitched in 2007, as a reliever, which, in hindsight, set the bar so unrealistically high that the rest of his career will almost inevitably be viewed as a disappointment.
10 is the number of earned runs he allowed in 2009 that made up the difference between his ERA and Andy Pettitte's. Putting aside criticism of his tendancy to run up high pitch counts early, or the awkward way the Yankees tried to limit his innings late in the season, if Joba had given up one less earned run every three starts (perhaps by getting a few more lucky bounces and having a few more close defensive plays ruled as errors instead of hits), we probably wouldn't be having this debate anymore.
6 1/3 is the number of innings he pitched in the 2009 postseason, as a reliever, where, thankfully, he posted a good ERA to help hide the fact that he was used erratically (he had 7 apperances of less than 1 inning), posted a subpar WHIP (1.58), and could have very easily been the goat of Game 4 had it not been for Johnny Damon's double steal and A-Rod's late inning heroics.
2 is the number of innings he's pitched this spring, plus perhaps another three or four today.
Somewhere around 35 innings and 10 earned runs are the crux of what nearly every Yankees fan and New York sportswriter has been talking, obsessing, and arguing about for the better part of two years. 35 innings and 10 earned runs.
Just stop and think about that for a minute.
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I blame Kyle Farnsworth
If Farnsworth hadn’t been terrible in 2007, Joba never gets called up, and probably comes up in 2008 as a starter. He never dazzles out of the bullpen, the idea of him as a closer isn’t placed in anyone’s mind, and he can just develop as a normal pitcher. So if you’re a Yankee fan, you can still hate Kyle Farnsworth with good cause.
by long time listener on Mar 17, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
Yes. Horribly out of proportion.
If Joba Chamberlain begins the season in the bullpen, he will pitch well. If he is the #5 starter, he will look like most other 24 year pitchers trying to harness their talent. Last year, despite everything, he was 9-6. Without the Joba rules limiting his innings and thereby the number of decisions, 12-8 as a starter this year would be reasonable to expect even if he didn’t progress a bit.
If any of the other starters become injured, especially early on, Joba probably goes into the rotation anyway. The phrase “most important exhibition game” is an oxymoron, and never more so than today.
PS I really didn’t need any more reasons to detest Kyle Fransworth, but thanks anyway.
by designatedquitter on Mar 17, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
Well put
Every single start, from now until he retires from baseball, will be under scrutiny because of 2007. A good start makes him a Cy Young candidate, a bad start means he should be moved to the bullpen. The question is, what happens when Joba has his inevitable one or two bad relief outings? It’s unfortunate really, because Hughes dominated in the bullpen too last season, and people still have him as a future starter. What makes him different than Joba, if we’re comparing relief numbers?
I’d still rather have Hughes than Joba, but it’s not because of Hughes’ “demeanor” or Joba’s “energy as a reliever”.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
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First off I want to say I believe people are blowing this out of proportion. that being said I think the reason why people have Hughes as a future starter still is because of how he pitched as a starter in the early part of the season replacing Wang, he pitched very well.
by bleachercreatures on Mar 17, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No
that being said I think the reason why people have Hughes as a future starter still is because of how he pitched as a starter in the early part of the season replacing Wang, he pitched very well.
It’s because people have terrible memories and don’t even bother to look up easily found numbers to see if they remembered right. and then used said wrong memories to come up with silly conclusions .
Hughes from 4/28 – 5/31 (pretty much all his starts last year)
7 Starts, 34.2IP (less than 5 per game) 31/15 K/BB 5.45 ERA .868 OPS against
Joba in the exact same period (4/29 – 6/1) 7 start, 37.1 IP 40/17 K/BB 3.62 ERA .707 OPS against.
Joba had some issues during that period (still not enough IP and walked a bit too many) but in every measurable aspect he was obviously better than Hughes.
If we’re going to base ourself on small sample size of 7 starts, how about these.
7 starts, 4-0 record (team was 6-1) 41.1 IP, 33/13 K/BB 3.03 ERA. .
That’s Joba from 6/24-6/27 last year.
Human memory are usually pretty bad, most ZOMG JOBA TO THE PEN guys probably don’t realize that Chamberlain’s stats by 8/16 , 23 starts into the season, he had a 3.98 ERA, he then got really tired and sucked for the rest of the way (his last 8 starts had an ERA over 8)
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by Lord Duggan on Mar 18, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It's spring training man
I wouldn’t worry about it. If spring training is an indicator of what’s to come, then Nick Johnson will be AL MVP.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
They are kids!!
Give joba a full un touches year…and if he doesn’t do it then you have hughes streched out for next year to battle for the spot….
I don’t think hughes should be a starter regardless of how good he is this ST…….Because the same b.s. we dealt with last year is going to happen again….
Damn we just won a chip its not like were in a drought….
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Mar 17, 2010 1:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think that Joba will have a great season, so will Phil. They are going to be cornerstones of the Yankees for years to come (or else Cash would have traded one of them for a big time player). Joba’s value is at its all-time high for a trade when people still think he can start (I think he can). So if the Yanks see him as a “for sure” bullpen arm as the media makes him out to be, then they would have traded him. Joba is going through normal ups and downs. He isnt Tim Lincecum: I have said all along, expect more of maybe Matt Cain?
by Michael Uhlhorn on Mar 17, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions

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