How would Babe Ruth do if he were in his prime today?
This is just a post to see all the different aspects/variable between "old school" baseball and today.
So, how would the Babe do? He obviously had a great lineup around him when he played.Where would he bat in the Yanks current lineup?
I will put up his numbers up vs the best hitter in the game today (Pujols). Remember back then they had much bigger ball parks.
162 game AVG:
RUTH PUJOLS
AB: 544 596
R: 141 124
H: 186 199
2B: 33 45
3B: 9 2
HR: 46 42
RBI: 143 129
SB: 8 7
BB: 133 94
SO: 86 66
BA: .342 .334
OBP: .474 .427
SLG: .690 .628
OPS: 1.164 1.055
OPS+: 207 172
If all things were equal, how would you feel about putting a hitter, better than Pujols in the middle of the Yanks lineup?
Of course they are not equal. How would he do today and where would you put him in the lineup?
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Babe Ruth was a pitcher, too
He could pitch the magical 8th inning
Put him as the pitcher
and somehow remove your DH from the game so he can hit (it can be done- you just have to move the DH to the field). That way, Ruth can hit and pitch in the same game. On the games he doesn’t pitch, DH him (cuz he was a pretty bad fielder).
According to some poster here,
the 8th inning pitcher is actually the most valuable person on the entire team. Once the Cardinals figure this out, they’ll stop wasting Fat Albert and Holliday’s talent on batting and alternate them each day in the 8th inning. THEN they’ll be a scary team.
by Leviticus6688 on Mar 15, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
PosterS I should say,
I wasn’t singling any person out, just a group of people.
by Leviticus6688 on Mar 15, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Its impossible to know how
Ruth would do in todays game. One argument for him would be that the parks are smaller, and the pitchers aren’t as good (most of the big start pitchers that got awards named after themselves played around Ruth’s day). An argument against Ruth today would be that more pitchers are used, and more pitches are thrown.
The game has changed, it’s impossible to know how Ruth would have hit today. Personally, I think he would have done just fine. But we’ll never know.
We have every reason to think Ruth would put up lesser numbers in today’s game.
Ruth didn’t have to face any black or Hispanic players, there was no advanced conditioning so his phenomenal strength was a great advantage, and his approach at the plate (patience, willing to strike out rather than weakly put the ball in play) was markedly different from his contemporaries.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
How would he do you ask?
He would have Gene Simmons,and Wilt Chamberlin whipped,he would have crabs,aids,the clap,herpes,syphallis,etc..Oh and probably gout,but Jeter would bow down to the King of Clap.
Oh boy I can't wait,there is going to be a Ho Park in the bullpen.I wonder if we can use the bullpen phone to order condoms with our pizza that will sit next to the keg?I already bought my spurs and chaps.
by cashman bashman on Mar 17, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Rumor has it they don't make Hot dogs and Beer the way they used too
Budweiser was probably 55 calories by the sip..let a lone a watered down carbonated urine soft drink.
I think the Babe would be good…I wonder if he faced 95mph fastballs on regular occasion?
Master of the squeegee
This is a great question to ask
I remember Bill James saying about the pre-steroids Barry Bonds, “Ted Williams was never the player this guy is.”
Here’s something you can never correct for. Babe Ruth changed the way the game of Baseball is played—and he was much criticized for it at the time. We the game we watch is a game he helped create through his talent and his, for lack of a better word, cahones.
So the question to ask—and it’s impossible to answer—is how would the Babe change the game if he played today?
By way of comparison, the greatest change I’ve seen in how the game is played is the emergence of the short-short reliever. I think of this as the LaRussa/Eckersly revolution. Every team seems to think that they have to manage as if they have an Eck, even though very few do (just as every manager manages as if they have a Babe and Gehrig, even though they don’t).
As to the quality of pitching being better in Babe’s day: remember, the mounds were higher, and scuffed balls were kept in play. That may have made pitchers harder to hit. Because of the specialization in pitching today, I suspect that talent level is much, much higher. However, the ball parks are smaller.
So: to answer the question, how would Babe do today? He’d be the best lefthanded starting pitcher in the world. Because of the DH, his homerun hitting prowess would be the stuff of spring training anecdotes.
Because of improved conditioning, he’d pitch into his forties. And medical treatment would keep him healthy well after that nasty brush with cancer.
Woops!
I didn’t answer the question, how would he change the game today?
He’d show the value of pitching 8 strong innings, and every manager would expect his ace to go 8 or 9 innings every time out. Shoulder reconstruction surgery would be the growth area in sports medicine.
Training and nutrition ...
I watched the 1975 WS a few weeks back, and was struck by how small the players looked compared to today’s players. I went back and looked at film from the 60s and 50s as well (the baggy uniforms kinda’ made everyone look bulky), and concluded training and nutrition have made a tremendous impact. Back in the day, players also had off-season jobs. The Pirates Richie Hebner was a gravedigger. My dad actually bought his first suit from Yogi Berra!
Today’s players train pretty much year ’round — many employ nutritionists as well.
I agree specialization with short relief has had a big impact on the game, but so to has training and nutrition (and I’m not talking about steroids either. When I played in the 80s, we really didn’t have the juice, but workouts and nutrition were beginning to take hold.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
He would hit 3rd, just like he did in the 20s.
He would still be a great player, though not a revolutionary one, since so many sluggers today emulate his hitting approach. He would probably be in better shape, so there would be more singles stretched to doubles, and doubles to triples (he ran pretty well).
If he also pitched, you just wouldn’t bother with the DH in those games. He wouldn’t go 8 or 9 innings, though- he would find that he needed too much effort to get through a modern lineup, just as contemporary pitchers do. In the Teens and 20s pitchers did not have to worry about mistakes turning into home runs, unless they were facing the Yankees.
by designatedquitter on Mar 16, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
Also, his boozing and whoring would take attention away from ARod.
I forgot to mention that.
by designatedquitter on Mar 16, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions
Not relavent
How fast do you think pitchers actually threw 100 years ago? I mean theres no way anyone was throwing 90’s back then. I think he would be average if not worse then that if he played nowadays. Just look at the guy, no way any of the players back then were in the same kind of shape our players are now. I hate when people compare baseball past with todays game.
There were attempts to measure pitch speed in the early parts of the 20th century.
Hard throwers “raced” motorcycles going 95 mph, and pitches were filmed with the movie cameras of the day and pitch speeds were computed by counting frames. (The same technique was famously used to settle a longstanding dispute over whether a horse ever had all four feet off the ground while running). There is no doubt that hard throwers of the day, although rarer, achieved 90+ mph considtently.
by designatedquitter on Mar 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Feller, Grove, VanderMeer ...
There were a number of pitchers who humped it up around 100. Feller I believe was clocked at 101.
Had Ruth played today, facing top-shelf relievers every night, he’d probably still rake at a .330 clip and bang 40+ homers.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
I was referring to the period 1900-1930.
Feller and VanderMeer were a bit later. The Feller clocking was pre-radar, and the accuracy is open to question. But yes, there is no doubt that even the malnourished scum of the early days included pitchers who threw quite hard. I was thinking of Walter Johnson and Christy Mathewson.
by designatedquitter on Mar 17, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Malnourished scum?
What the hell is that all about?
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
Turn of the (20th) century ballplayers were generally from poor origins and most were poorly paid.
Malnourishment was a fact of life in the cities in late 19th- early 20th century America. (As Case would say, you could look it up). Because most ball players came from the lower classes, they were poorly regarded by educated people. Even the fans of most teams would have been hesitant to let their daughters marry a ballplayer.
That’s where that came from.
by designatedquitter on Mar 18, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but
Walter Johnson was not a city boy; he was from rural Kansas. Christy Mathewson was from northeastern Pennsylvania. He was a college boy (Bucknell) who was president of his class.
I agree about the poorly paid part. Even into the fifties, players had offseason jobs because they needed the $$$. Sports had not yet become part of the entertainment industry.
As for Babe Ruth – I have always felt that great athletes would do well in any era, simply because they are great athletes, and Ruth was certainly a great athlete.
Mickey C
That's a pretty grand generalization ...
While the early 20th century ballplayer was certainly more blue collar, using the term “malnourished scum” even if trying to be funny terribly misses the mark. I just scanned through the BB encyclopedia for that era, and see many were college educated.
The term “most ball players came from the lower classes” might be accurate — so because they come from lower classes and were poorly regarded by educated people they are “scum” in your estimation?
I actually find this kind of offensive.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
I didn't mean that they were scum because they were poor.
A good many of them were regarded as disreputable individuals- as I said, for every gentleman Mathewson there were a healthy number of violent drunken carousers, whom, as I said, you would not want your daughter to marry. Maybe it’s a too- broad generalization, but the Mathewsons were the exception, not the rule.
by designatedquitter on Mar 19, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You never know
Like the people above me mentioned, there’s no way you can tell. He might have used the advanced conditioning most players do these days and have even more power. Or maybe Babe Ruth was Babe Ruth because he was the first player to be know as a “power hitter”. There’s no doubt Ruth was great, but you can’t really compare eras, since there’s so many variables going both for and against Ruth today. If I had to take a guess though, I’d say he’d be a league average player, WAR at about 1.5-2.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
It is true
that it is hard to say how he’d fare today with all the advances in training, etc. But for one to say he’d be “average” is a little much. We CAN compare him to his peers, they had the same “tools” as the Babe and he outdid everybody. He was so far and above any of his peers it was ridiculous. And like I said, they were playing with the same ball on the same fields and against the same pitching as Babe, and yet he was the one to accomplish all that he did. I think he’d be pretty damn good.
Also, the manufacture of the ball has improved greatly.
They are sewn tighter and more consistently, and almost certainly fly further on a consistent basis. Assuming use of improved training, Babe Ruth would be a high average, high power hitter.
by designatedquitter on Mar 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
Ball consistency would be a wash wouldnt it?
I mean a consistent ball might fly further but it also enables a pitcher to be more consistent with his pitches. There would be less hanging curves and more accuracy in spotting pitches.
Roll Model
8 year old boys all over the world would aspire to be fat, lazy, booze it up and sport a pot belly.
Role Model
Didn’t you just describe 50% of American dad’s? LOL just joking.

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