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-Joe Nathan's injury has me thinking, again, about comparing relievers to starters, which isn't really that shocking considering the Joba/Hughes/Aceves/Gaudin/Mitre (seriously, Mitre?) discussion that just doesn't seem to go away.  

You'd say that Mariano Rivera was absolutely indispensable to the Yankees; I wouldn't disagree.  But last season, he faced 257 hitters, only about 4% of the Yankees team total.  A run of the mill starter, Andy Pettitte, faced nearly three and a half times as many.  Obviously, Rivera pitched better by nearly every measure, but there is a quality vs. quantity scale that needs to be measured.  The ability to pitch a lot of innings is worth something, and while it certainly doesn't bridge the gap, it does serve to close it a bit.

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What am I getting at?  Take a statistic like WARP, which does account for both quality and quantity, and look at Joba Chamberlain.  Do you realize that his stellar performance during his 2007 call-up was worth just slightly more overall to the Yankees than his admittedly mediocre 2009 season?  Look it up. 

Criticize WARP all you like, I'm not saying it's the be-all, end-all, but it does illustrate my point.  Nobody can be expected to duplicate Mariano Rivera's performance, so if anybody - Joba, Hughes, or Aceves - can emulate Andy Pettitte at this stage of his career (leage average ERA, 6 innings per start), he's going to be more valuable as a starter. 

 

-How meaningless are Spring Training games, meaningless, or really meaningless?  I don't know.  The good news is, although the Yankees lost to the Pirates yesterday, it was against some semblance of the Pirates expected Opening Day lineup. 

Even better, though, these games don't count.  Enjoy the return of baseball (and unfortunately, the return of non-stop rumors and speculation too), but relax.   Just like real games aren't determined by who does the best in batting in practice, don't put too much stock in any of the numbers that anybody's putting up, at least not until maybe May or June.

-Here's an awesome website if you have some free time to browse, and if you've ever collected baseball cards in the past.  As a side note, as you look through pictures of players from the 60's and 70's, think about which current team uniforms and hairstyles we're going to look back at and cringe in 20 years.

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"think about which current team uniforms and hairstyles we're going to look back at and cringe in 20 years."

Swish hawk. That’s all I’m gunna say.

This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.

by Lord Duggan on Mar 15, 2010 4:09 AM EDT reply actions  

In 20 years (ok, 5 years) people will ask why players like Josh Beckett looked like Starbucks employees.

They will also want to know why players wore their pants down to their spikes. I will have no good answer for either of them.

by designatedquitter on Mar 15, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

To my knowledge,

stats like WARP, VORP, and WAR do not take into account bullpen chaining. That is, a replacement level player in the bullpen isn’t Joe Schmoe from AAA, rather, it’s the next reliever down in the pecking order. Thus, these stats probably overvalue relievers, furthering your original point.

by Random_Task on Mar 15, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: relievers, what stat accounts for a guy coming into the game with ice water in his veins and throwing smoke. We all know that lots of guys throw smoke, but the 9th inning is a different breed.

Re: Hair styles: Manny?
       Uniforms, hey you can’t top those polyester leisure suit uniform of the ’70s

by dustproduction on Mar 15, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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