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New York Yankee notes: Wondering about Joba

We as New York Yankees fans are constantly being reminded not to get caught up in Spring Training results, especially right now when it comes to the fifth starter competition.

It is true that no one is in regular season form, and that both pitchers and hitters may well be doing things differently than they will once the games actually begin to mean something. I mean, c'mon, if you think Austin Jackson is a better player than Curtis Granderson just because of one week of Spring Training you are just plain silly. And your opinion isn't worth bothering with.

When it comes to who will be the fifth starter Yankee Manager Joe Girardi said the results of the first couple of spring outings are really not important. That might be good news for the struggling Joba Chamberlain and bad news for the currently un-hittable Alfredo Aceves.

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At this point, though, I do believe it is fair to wonder about Chamberlain. As the New York Post does.

Joba Chamberlain says he knows the deal when it comes to the fifth starter’s spot in Joe Girardi’s rotation.

Now he has to start pitching like it.

"I understand what’s at stake," Chamberlain said after getting spanked by the Tigers at Joker Marchant Stadium yesterday in a 9-8 Yankees victory. "You got to get better. You can’t worry about what [the competition] is doing. There is a sense of urgency but not a panic button."

Chamberlain is correct: Two outings into spring training isn’t time to panic. Chamberlain’s body of work — since walking off a Texas mound with a shoulder problem on Aug. 4, 2008, that forced him to miss a month — has been pedestrian.

In 42 games (31 starts), Chamberlain is 9-6 with a 4.59 ERA and has given up 178 hits in 1682⁄3 innings, walked 79 and fanned 147. That’s too many hits and not an acceptable walk-to-strikeout ratio.

Yes, the Yankees didn’t help him last year in the second half, when they limited his innings as a starter. And he is 24. But by now the Yankees believed Chamberlain would at least be close to a top-of-the-rotation hurler.

When Chamberlain surfaced in 2007, he charged out of the bullpen with a blazing fastball, filthy slider and was embraced by everybody. As a starter, there have been glimpses of that stuff but nothing sustained.

When Chamberlain pitches Tuesday against the Astros, he will be facing the biggest spring training game of his young career. Because if Girardi is telling the truth — and there is no reason to believe he isn’t — Chamberlain’s evaluation clock will begin ticking loudly.

Whether you believe Joba should be a starter or a reliever is not really my point. I think we all believed Joba would be a star. Maybe we still do. But, pedestrian is exactly the right word. He threw harder as a reliever during the 2009 playoffs, but he was nowhere near lights out. 

So, I do think it is fair to begin to wonder if Joba will ever meet the expectations he created for himself way back in 2007.

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He was so good in 2007, that I think it would be impossible

for him to live up to the expectations that were created that year. Unfortunately, the Yankees, desperate for a reliever that year, rushed him to the bigs and didn’t give him the chance in the minors to develop all of the skills needed to be a starting pitcher in the majors. Then, of course, last year was a fiasco, with their ridiciculous decisions to hold him back (without telling him when he would start next), limit his innings, etc.

He needs to go back to Scranton and do what he should have been allowed to do in the first place: finish his training and development. Let’s give him a chance to become a pitcher there, and then maybe he’ll have some success up here. But with the relative wealth of riches on the Yankees staff, there is no reason to let him continue to struggle in the bigs as he’s learning how to pitch.

by cph on Mar 11, 2010 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

Joba

I am having a hard time believing he is a starting pitcher, I think he will be in th epen by th eend of 2010

by Rickfansince76 on Mar 11, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

I think Joba is a guy like CC

that thrives on having arm strength for his fastball. Guys like that tend to suck in Spring Training before they’ve pitched enough innings to build up that arm strength.

Hopefully we have enough patience to find that out.

This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.

by Lord Duggan on Mar 11, 2010 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

+1

plus, guys usually work on pitches in ST. Maybe Joba is trying out different things, I’m pretty sure I saw a picture of him throwing a circle change, which he didn’t used to do.

by Wraithpk on Mar 11, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Joba's role

I note that Joba did well in the first 2 innings against the Tigers and was hammered in the 3rd. I think he should aim at eventually being Mariano’s successor in the style of Goose Gossage instead of as a starter. Perhaps he could do more 6-out saves from his training as a starter. But I am not persuaded that he can be an effective starter on the level of Ryan Dempster. His best delivery is simply too hard to repeat for 6 or 7 innings. But he might match the Goose as a closer.

by logiet on Mar 11, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Girardi would have to reinvent the wheel to do that. Closers only pitch for 1 inning these days. It’s not right, but everybody else does it that way.

by 3460kuri on Mar 11, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ryan Dempster had 156 major league starts over 7 years (~950 innings) before he was converted to reliever for 4 seasons. Then he’s a starter again.

…so uh, lets give Joba a chance?

what he’s had…is not a chance yet.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 11, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Per today's NY Times, Joba said he ran out of gas in the 3rd.

If that’s the case, don’t worry about the 6 runs in the 3rd. Worry about why he showed up with so little stamina.

by designatedquitter on Mar 11, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

well, that’s part of ST, stretching guys out. He didn’t pitch for 4 months, his stamina will be low.

by Wraithpk on Mar 11, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

To those that are drawing conclusions from Spring Training..

you know, they don’t draw many conclusions from Spring Training right?

At least, they won’t until they get a 1 1/2 to 2 weeks of play in there, you know…to shake off the cobwebs and all a that?

Joba’s always had the inside track on the 5th spot, the Yanks haven’t been trotting him out there above Hughes cuz they like seeing Joba jiggle on the mound you know.

I’d be very surprised if Joba’s not the #5 starter. What he does during the games that actually count…we’ll see.

Those of you with the KY planning to watch Joba come out in the 8th….good thing that stuff lasts a while.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 11, 2010 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

Again and Again

Once again a great deal of today’s AM sports radio content was dedicated to clowns saying why they think Joba should be in the bullpen. Apparently 42 major league starts of mixed success and 2 awful spring training starts is enough to write off a guy for his entire career. If these guys were in charge, Tom Glavine, Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay, Chris Carpenter and countless others would have been middle relievers. So frustrating to listen to this.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Mar 11, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well If Joba doesnt want to go to

the bullpen maybe he needs more time down in AAA. To fix whatever is going on with him. I know that is only spring training and that he has been sick with the flu. But the way that he pitched last year you cant keep running that out there every fifth day. He doesnt throw enough strikes to be a starter. Hitters are more patient with starter because they are trying to work the count and get them out of the game. Relievers come in the game there is more energry and emotion and hitters are more likely to swing at pitches that are just off the plate.

by imyrick on Mar 12, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

his problems last year, believe it or not…are common problems with young pitchers.

Time is needed.

As the 5th starter, he could work on it at the MLB level, which would probably help more the AAA.

Progess many times isn’t linear with a young pitcher. He needs time…and hopefully the Yanks brass doesn’t listen to the mass hoards wanting him in the bullpen……their patience with him is a good thing.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 12, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha sorry man

It was too good of an opportunity to pass up going with the visual.

This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.

by Lord Duggan on Mar 11, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

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