Papelbon's Future with the Red Sox
After hearing that it is becoming increasingly unlikely that Jon Papelbon is in Boston after the 2010 season, I reached out to Logan Lietz of Over the Monster. Here is the interview:
BC: What year do you think Jon Papelbon will become a free agent?
LL: After contract discussions in January failed to net a long-term deal, yet again, it’s hard for me to imagine Papelbon being a member of the Red Sox past 2010. According to reports, he declined a two-year contract for around $15-16 million initially, before ultimately accepting the one-year deal for just over $6 million. Papelbon has been pretty vocal about his desire to test the free agent market and is pretty adamant about being paid like a top-notch closer should, something I’m not sure the Red Sox are prepared to accommodate. It’s an interesting situation, though. After just a few seasons with the club Papelbon has become the all-time saves leader, one of the faces of the franchise, and is a real representation of Boston’s developmental success in recent years. On the other hand, Epstein hasn’t hesitated to let players of his caliber go in the past if the asking price is too high -- Perdo Martinez being a good example of that.
BC: Do you think it is already decided that Dan Bard will be the closer of the future, or do you think the next year or two will decide that?
LL: I think that Daniel Bard is one of the main reasons why the Red Sox were fine signing Papelbon to just a one-year deal at this point. Bard will be one of the individuals to watch when monitoring this entire situation. If he does well in his current role as one of the set-up guys, it’ll obviously be easier to let Papelbon go following 2010. On the other hand, if he struggles we may see the Red Sox make a concerted effort to retain Papelbon long-term before he becomes eligible to test the market. At this point, I don’t think Boston is necessarily banking on Bard being the closer of the future as much as they are simply continuing to gauge his readiness, so to speak.
BC: Is it possible for the Red Sox to keep both Papelbon and Bard on the team for the next 5-10 years?
LL: While it is possible that both Bard and Papelbon become part of the Red Sox’s long-term plans, it’s also highly unlikely. As I said, Papelbon is doing his best to campaign his way into a large long-term contract, and with Bard waiting in the wings the chances of Boston appeasing his request is slim to none.
BC: Could the Red Sox try to trade Papelbon rather than non tender him or let him go to free agency?
LL: Trading Papelbon is not a farfetched idea by any means. Management has stated their willingness to go out and get a bat mid-2010 if need be, and if Bard does well, Papelbon could be movable. That scenario becomes more likely in the event that Josh Beckett does well enough to garner a long-term contract extension as he has been the other big name thrown around in potential mid-season trades. Adrian Gonzalez’s representation has recently declared him too expensive for San Diego’s long-term plans, so we’ll see how attractive Papelbon is to the Padres if the situation comes to fruition.
BC: Any other inside info or commentary you have about the prospects of Papelbon not being in a Red Sox uniform in the future?
LL: As far as inside information regarding Papelbon’s future with the Red Sox -- like I said, there have been numerous reports here and there suggesting that Papelbon has heavy interest in testing the free agent market. I think the fact that he declined a two-year deal that would have paid him around $8 million a year in favor of a one-year $6.25 million contract is telling. Not to mention the fact that Papelbon has even stated in the past that he isn’t adverse to playing in a Yankees uniform if the money is right.
BC: What uniform will Papelbon be in in the following: 2011, 2012, 2013?
LL: Personally, I think that Papelbon finishes 2010 in a Red Sox’s uniform before subsequently signing elsewhere. Where he signs is anyone’s guess, but wherever it is, it will likely be a long-term deal worth a lot of money -- which is certainly warranted given his success and consistency the past few years in Boston.
Thanks again to Logan for the help. Continue reading after the jump for my analysis/opinion
Personally, I agree with Logan on the last question. I do think that Papelbon will finish 2010 as a member of the Red Sox unless something crazy happens. As much as I think Papelbon is a great closer, I would HATE to see him in a Yankees uniform. He represents everything that I hate in a player and also has called out Mariano Rivera in the past. I would hope that Paplebon signs with an NL Central or West team so I don't have to see much of him in the future.
Also, this year will be a very interesting year for Boston. If Bard struggles, do the Red Sox pay Papelbon? If Bard pitches well enough do the Red Sox just let Papelbon go? Tough decisions!
P.S. I'd like some feedback on whether or not I should keep doing Q&A's.
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I actually wouldn’t mind if Papelbon came to the Yankees. Let’s face it, we won’t have Mo for that much longer, and we need a replacement for him. Papelbon isn’t Mo, but he’s a solid closer, and we’d be hard pressed to find someone better.
I agree about his skills
I just can’t stand him as a person. Maybe I’m being selfish but I’d rather have either a home grown player or someone not named Papelbon
Writer for Pinstripe Alley.
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."
However, as someone who
relies on his 4-seam fastball approx. 99% of the time, I don’t see him aging gracefully—especially considering his past shoulder issues.
NO!!!
yea, he’s solid. But his attitude is awful and, like Brandon said I can’t stand him as a person.
Plus, I can do without the near heart attacks every time he loads the bases before he closes the game.
Papelbon free agency
I’m pretty sure he’s got another year of arbitration in 2011 and won’t be free agent eligible until 2012. If Bard has a big year as a setup man in 2010 the Red Sox may trade Papelbon in the offseason, but I think they have 2 more years of team control, not 1.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 6, 2010 12:42 PM EST reply actions
Ah
My bad I think you are right
Writer for Pinstripe Alley.
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."
Pap will be a free agent after the 2011 season
So all this talk about where he will sign in 2011 in kind of silly. I’m surprised that the Over the Monster guy didn’t know that.
by cph on Feb 6, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to have him on the Yankees.
He’s been really consistent for the past couple of years, which is something we could be hard-pressed to find in any closer not named Mariano Rivera. But you have to look at how a player like that would mesh into the clubhouse, and reading what he says on interviews, seeing pictures of him throwing towels at cameramen – it’d definitely be strange going from the quiet and humble Mo to loud-mouthed cocky Papelbon, not to mention annoying and potentially problem causing. Don’t get me wrong, the guy can pitch, but he needs to get his act together if he wants Cashman to sign him.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
He's a closer...so the fuse is short.
Long term means nothing at this point and what he’s done in the past..IS the past. What we do know is that he gave up more late inning hits and FAILED in games to finish…especially the ALCS.
In my opinion…he won’t last another 3 years. He may be young…but because of the failure to close out/save games & ALCS failure…I think his arm is about to start falling off.
He demands TOO much on overpowering with speed…that will be his undoing. Then we can all put to rest that HE thinks he’s better than Mo’
With a Postseason ERA of .72…this guys mind is NOT STRAIGHT.
He won’t get more than 12 mil per..because he’s not worth more than Mo’s 15 mil and that’s how he’s gonna get paid.
Enough with the Red Sux retreads...
last thing we need is another Sux ex player who starts declining while we pay big bucks for it. Mo is good for a couple more years. swe have time to find a new younger closer….
Question.
If the Padres isn’t willing to extend Adrian Gonzalez, (or isn’t able to), how the hell does the Red Sox expect Papelbon to appeal to the Padres?
Let’s get a over-priced ace closer, but not pay my stud first baseman. That’s just stupid.
Not sure
I see what you are saying, but it wasn’t my opinion. Everything is pure speculation
Writer for Pinstripe Alley.
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."
Joba will be our Next Closer when Mo retires...
Joba will be in the pen by mid-season as Mo’s set-up man
Joba can be electric for one or two innings but not for 6-8 innings
Hughes will be our #5 starter & Gaudin might get a few starts
Never say never...
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+1
I love the looks on the batters faces after they strike out multiple times against Joba. Hilarious, especially the Red Sox batters that got so pissed off.
Yeah, Joba has shown his potential as a starter, he just needs to be consistent.
I, for one, detest all this “Joba to the pen” talk. He’s a starter. Let him start a full season and see what happens. Then talk about the bullpen.
Interesting about the first clip: of Joba’s strikeouts, all came on breaking balls. I saw one curve and the rest looked like sliders.
Maybe they were fouling off fastballs, but patterns are important to repeated effectiveness. One more thing to watch when Joba starts this season (whether he starts the season in the pen or the rotation, he will have some starts).
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
While we're making "reasonable" predictions...
how about Joba becomes that stud young starter all those in the know feel he can be (Pause-worthy? I think so)
Andy Pettitte gets hurt / ineffective, AJ ditto, and CC Joba, Hughes and Vazquez are the 4 main starters in 2010.
Which do you wanna bet happens in 2010?
Joba is so utterly horrible that the Yankees brass scrap 2 years of ‘development’ and completely give up on Joba as a starter…and throw him in the pen.
…or Joba succeeds as he’s supposed to, as a starter?
P.S….I hope Andy and AJ stay healthy. Just making outlandish predictions, like “Joba to the pen”
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 6, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Don't want Papelbon
Especially don’t want Papelbon for the 4 years and 50 MM he’s gunna want.
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
I wouldn't take Papelcrap
if he wanted 4 years $5.
to be clear, that’s a $5 bill. One of em, too much for Papelcrap.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 6, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Dude if I had to watch that ferry riverdance in pinstripes I would pay a sniper to take off his toes
And while he was at it shove a big -? in his disturbingly tiny big mouth.
I feel like a clown without my funny nose.They say that dead men don't pull triggers,I will prove em wrong.There are cracks on the roads we laid where the temple fell where secrets have gone mad.
by cashman bashman on Feb 6, 2010 11:31 PM EST reply actions
I bet he rode the short bus
and did I forget to mention I hate dancers posing as pitchers.If he played for free I would still act like Randy Quaid in Major League 2.Papplebon you make my ass stink.
I feel like a clown without my funny nose.They say that dead men don't pull triggers,I will prove em wrong.There are cracks on the roads we laid where the temple fell where secrets have gone mad.
by cashman bashman on Feb 6, 2010 11:37 PM EST reply actions
since no one commented on the Q&A's...
Personally, I like them. It’s always good to get another team’s fan’s perspective on the issues that pertain to the Yankees.
…Without having to deal with the crazies, of course.
Thanks
I’m gonna try to keep it up as long as I have good topics that involve other teams or players from other teams
Writer for Pinstripe Alley.
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."
Please no Pap
He has been a great closer for the Sox, however I agree with the earlier poster, his shelf life is limited and again we get stuck with an overpriced Sox retread. Apart from that my opinion on him as a person or teammate could not be lower. He is completely absent of even a hint of class. I don’t mind his in your face, intimidating on the mound presence, it’s his total lack of regard for Mo, his team and NY fans. The image of him waving his WS ring to irritate NY fans will not fade quickly in my mind. I would get nauseous seeing his obnoxious face in pinstripes, the antithesis of everything good Mo represents. I hope he rots somewhere in the NL west on a cellar dwelling loser team. Screw him.
Good Interview, but please no Pap.
He was off his game this year (throwing too many fast balls) and relievers are so unpredictable, that there’s no point paying for one who isn’t Rivera. Just throw guys from your system in there until someone sticks.
Pap
I do not want Papelbon in 2 years at a top salary. If Theo does not want him at that price -we should noy either.
We have plenty of young live arms in the system to go the home grwon route.
Papelbon
Need to clarify this for BC and LL, if he refused a two year 16 mill. offer, why would he accept just over 6 mill. this year? He accepted a 9.25 mill. offer for this year. The only way he would come to the Yanks, is if Rivera tells the Yanks (after this seaon), I am only going to play one more year, which would coincide with Papelbon being a FA!

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