The Granderson destruction program
by jpoppejr on Feb 20, 2010 10:57 PM EST
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The Yankees are going to f this up. Granderson is not an experiment. And there is NO WAY he should be batting seventh. Damn it! Put Jeter back in the 2 slot and put Granderson lead off. And stop this crap about Granderson playing LF. Stick him in CF. Before his injury Granderson was one of the feared young up and coming players in the MLB. And what are the Yanks doing? Treating him like a spare part! Girardi get your head out of your arse and put the proper lineup together coming out of Spring Training which is:
Granderson, Jeter, Tex, ARod, Cano (he will flourish here), Posada, Johnson, Swisher, Gardner
You have to love the speed when the lineup turns over 9,1,2
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Jeter hits into too many GIDPs to hit 2nd
but I agree with him hitting second. that way the triple lead-off is still there and he will see plenty of pitches in front of Tex and Arod.
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He's getting a feel for what Granderson is
cuz apparently, Granderson has never played for the Yankees.
Grandy’s not batting first, that’s Jeter. Not even an argument there.
Nick Johnson is #2, he gets on base too much and that’s a ton of opportunities for A-Rod and Tex with 2 .400 hitters in front of them. Someone’s gonna be on.
Grandy’s spots are either 5th or 7th, cuz with A-Rod at #4, either a LH or a switch is best for #5 hole.
If Cano’s the #5, and belongs there…yea, Granderson is the #7 hitter.
I'd like
to see Grandy hit 2nd. Yea, I know, I’ve heard a million times about Johnson’s OBP. Big deal, that OBP will work hitting 7th too. He’s too slow and I want to see Granderson hauling a** around third from first on a double by Tex. It’s a thing of beauty.
well…its not gonna happen all that much if Grandy was in the #2 hole.
Who cares about slow? Nick Johnson isn’t Posada or Matsui. I bet he’s more like Tex speed.
OBP in the 7th hole isn’t all that useful. Him and Swisher AB’s would take forever after they both see about 10 pitches each and walk.
Getting players on base in from of Tex and A-Rod is the most important thing.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 21, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
You want you high OBP guys high in the order
so that your sluggers have the best chance to hit with men on. Johnson bats #2 until his injury and THEN we put Grandy there.
Oh, I understand where why you want certain players in certain spots in the order. I just can’t get over thinking we’ll have a slug in the two hole.
Have to get on base for speed to matter
Johnson has always been better at getting on base than Granderson.
Dude has anybody found my hair yet.
I heard that Granderson guy was fast,I bet he took it when I wasn’t looking.Now your telling me I got to wait all the way to the 7th spot before I find out.
I wish I were an Oscar Myer wiener.I farted in the bathtub and the bubbles messaged my pee pee.You can not kill what you did not create.There is a brown snake in the toilet so look out.
by cashman bashman on Feb 22, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Love it when random people on the internet
Tell a former National League Manager of the Year, and current manager of the World Champion Yankees how to do his job.
Maybe you should go down to tampa and yell your ideas at him during ST. That’ll show him!
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
+1
I mean, who is that Girardi guy anyways?
I’ll listen to him when he’s in charge of a World Series winning team. Oh wait…
by Leviticus6688 on Feb 21, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
FIRE GIRARDI!
(Seemed appropriate in this thread!)
Fuckin a sign me up for that
I wish I were an Oscar Myer wiener.I farted in the bathtub and the bubbles messaged my pee pee.You can not kill what you did not create.There is a brown snake in the toilet so look out.
by cashman bashman on Feb 22, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
For the 300th time...
Our offense is simply better with Johnson in the 2 hole.
I mean, how simple is this: we have 1 player who gets on base 4% more often than another player. The difference between batting 2nd and 7th is about 90 PAs on the season. This would mean that you’re essentially “giving” the other team 5-6 outs on the year. I know this doesn’t sound like much, but in the long run, it could matter. It’s been proven dozens of times that lineup order hardly matters over the course of a season, but taking plate appearances from a guy and giving them to another with 40 fewer points in the on base percentage department is simply stupid.
Sure he’s fast and has the “traditional feel” of a leadoff hitter, but how much does it matter if you’re batting in front of Teix and A-Rod? Hardly at all.
That, and you hardly would want a black hole batting 2nd against lefties.
I hardly see why people are getting so emotional about this. Come on, let’s give Girardi the benefit of the doubt, before declaring he’s fucked this all up.
The general consensus, is that Nick Johnson was signed to bat second. Indeed he’s an ideal fit as a OBP machine to give ARod/Tex ample chances with men on base.
Brian fucking Cashman, that's who.
And Cashman didn’t stop there, throwing even more dirt in the face of Boras.
“Boras told me I wouldn’t find a No. 2 hitter for less than $13 million,” Cashman continued. “I found one (Nick Johnson) for half that.”
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Feb 21, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
http://nomaas.org/2010/01/cashman-can-kill-you-in-eight-bars/
via
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/333901-whats-that-spinning-sound-scott-boras-of-course
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Feb 21, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I still think
Johnson in the 2 hole is a bad idea. I know all about his OBP, but the amount of Double Plays that will be accrued between Johnson-Teixeira-A-Rod-Posada is gonna be obscene. I’m gonna start a campaign demanding Grandy bat second. As a matter of fact, I’ll give Cashman a call right now and tell him how I feel. Can I get his number from ya since you two have a personal relationship?
Speed at the top of the lineup in the AL is the most overrated talent
Johnson can jog really slowly around the bases after he draws a walk, and A-Rod and Tex bring him in with a nice Yankee Stadium right field blast.
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
You cannot steal first base.
The only think speed in the #2 hole prevents is the double play, cuz Granderson would hypothetically beat out the throw.
WOW.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 21, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
You CAN steal first base
I used to do it twice a game. Oh the joys of little league catchers who let strike 3 get away from them. That, and my poor plate discipline when I was younger.
by Leviticus6688 on Feb 21, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I used to just run to first no matter the count.
soon as the catcher threw it to the pitcher I just ran to first.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 21, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I just stood at first.
worked like a charm
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 21, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Haha,
I can imagine that being an awkward situation for the umpire as he tried to explain to you that you need to take a seat in the dugout.
by Leviticus6688 on Feb 21, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Dude your argument is very, very weak.
It doesn’t matter who is on first base whether it be Granderson, Johnson, or Usain Bolt. If a potential DP ball is hit THE GUY RUNNING TO SECOND IS ALWAYS THROWN OUT FIRST.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Feb 21, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
+1
For the very first (as far as I can remember) Usain Bolt mention on PA.
Also a valid argument by the way.
by Leviticus6688 on Feb 21, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I would not be against granderson batting second but leadoff? No thanks….Captain Clutch is also Captain Double Play machine when he bats with a runner on first. Its incredible. I like the line-up I just don’t like grandy and jeter, switch em up and you got the line-up that would be best. Either way you get the speed at 9, 1, 2. Just without all the Derek “I LOVE DOUBLE PLAYS” Jeter. And another point. Finally someone agrees with me about Robinson Cano batting 5th. I’ve been saying this all offseason and finally I got someone who agrees. Kudos my brother lol
by Br0nxb0mber914 on Feb 21, 2010 4:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Wait till the Posada lovers read this
I have also been spouting this offseason about Cano in the five slot, but on this site there are so many Posada lovers that laugh at the idea. They start throwing all of these stats to tell people like us that we do not know what we are talking about. Well, here is one for those individuals – DO YOU ALWAYS LOOK IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR WHEN DRIVING FORWARD?! Stats are a function of many things and are influenced by many items out of a person’s control. Ever look at a confidence interval before making definitive comments? Maybe a little confidence that Cano can do it and he believes in himself and he concentrates and he improves on the negative stats that the quant jocks will hit us with. Maybe. OH, I FORGOT THOSE QUANT JOCKS PREDICTED THAT MELKY WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE BEST CLUTCH HITTERS FOR THE YANKS EARLY IN THE YEAR.
All of the above being said, my career is stats and finance so my rant is ironic. Just a little fun to stir the pot.
I would love to see...
Cano batting 2nd just to see what kind of numbers he’d put up hitting in front of Tex and Arod. He’d hit into a lot of double plays but the way he hits fastballs he could end up with absolutely ridiculous numbers.
But that’s not happening. Johnson is going to bat 2nd because his ability to get on base is so consistent. Speed out of the 2 hole isn’t that important with Tex and Arod coming up next. Granderson and Cano will be competing to see who hits 5th and 7th against righties. I think Granderson has the leg up because Girardi probably has it in his head that Cano struggles with RISP whereas Granderson is starting with a clean slate. Granderson is much more of a power hitter than he is a table setter. Posada probably bats 5th vs. lefties
Vs. Righties – Jeter-Johnson-Teixeira-ARod-Granderson-Posada-Cano-Swisher-Gardner/Winn
Vs. Lefties – Jeter-Johnson-Teixeira-ARod-Posada-Cano-Swisher-Thames-Granderson
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 21, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Thames will make the team.
he will prob sign a minor league contract
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He already did sign a minor league deal.
He only makes $900K if he makes the major league team, which I doubt he does unless someone gets injured.
by Leviticus6688 on Feb 21, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
ohh ii thought if he were cut from the team in spring training that he would have to sign a new deal
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People forget...
Granderson never should have been batting leadoff to begin with, Detroit just didn’t have a better option. Granderson doesn’t hit for great average or walk a lot. He has speed, but he doesn’t steal much like a Crawford or Ichiro. With the type of power he has, he should be hitting in the 5 hole against righties.
Jeter, on the other hand, gets on base a lot, is not as fast as Granderson, but is a better baserunner, so he actually steals about the same amount of bases, and still has some power as well.
jpoppejr
Just asking, you do know about poppyseed muffins, right?
If you watched Derek Jeter last year
you wouldn’t want ANYBODY else as the Yankees leadoff hitter. Why put a guy who has never played for the Yankees and had an average of .249 last year as the leadoff hitter, over Derek Jeter, who was 3rd in the MVP voting and was arguably the best leadoff hitter in the game not named Ichiro.
Granderson, while he has speed, is not a good leadoff hitter. He strikes out a ton, he doesn’t get on base enough. He’s never stolen that many bases for someone with his kind of speed (although I think he’ll run more under Girardi). You wouldn’t be taking advantage of his strengths batting him leadoff. He has power, and good RBI numbers. Use them. Put him second, or at the bottom. That would use him best. I’m not sure I’d want Nick Johnson batting second. Sure he gets on base a lot, but unless Teixeira or A-Rod homers (which won’t happen every time), he’s gonna have to run, and it’s not going to be pretty seeing him run, let me tell you. It’ll take at least 2 hits usually, maybe three, after he gets on to get him in, and I’m not sure I’d want that hitting second. So I’d hit Curtis Granderson second, where he’ll get PLENTY of fastballs, and plenty of opportunities to drive in Derek Jeter, who will be on base a ton.
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
A-Rod
Posada
Cano
Johnson
Swisher
Gardner
There’s your championship lineup (yes ndrish, this team will be in the playoffs)
If Nick Johnson is so painfully slow
and it’s going to take an act of god to get him home from first base,
how did he score 71 runs last year in 133 games while batting cleanup for the offensive juggernaut Marlins and Nationals last year?
Batting 2nd in the Yankee lineup and playing 155 games (obviously this is the biggest concern), NJ scores 110 runs without breaking a sweat.
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
+1
I don’t understand this “he’s slow so that’s why he doesn’t bat second”. He’s not Matsui. He’s not Posada. He’s probably faster then Tex.
And Who cares? Your #2 hitter is useless if he’s a strikeout machine and/or he doesn’t get on base.
For A-Rod and Tex, you want more people one base.
Who cares about 1st -3rd or soring on a double, cuz yea..abso-fking-loutly, Nick Johnson can score from first.
Grandy will see a perfectly high number of fastballs batting behind A-Rod won’t he? Cuz A-Rod’s usually on base.
The top 4 of the order is Jeet, Johnson, Tex, A-Rod.
The rest is up for debate.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 21, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Granderson needs to be #5 IMO
Granderson may eventually be a lead off guy, he is not ready yet. You need a guy like Jeter who consistently hits over .300 and is an intelligent base runner.
- is Nick Johnson due to his great OBP and his ability to make a pitcher work.
- Behind Arod kind of makes sense – although as I type this I wonder if he offers enough protection so that pitchers don’t pitch around ARod. This hunch is probably why he may start off at #7 and move to #5 as Giradi feels more comfortable with him.
by South Jersey Wedding Photographer on Feb 21, 2010 9:30 PM EST reply actions
He probably won’t be 5 because pitchers will walk A-Rod, and then the manager will bring in a lefty to get him out. You need either a switch hitter or a lefty who hits lefties well, like Cano (exactly equal splits against RHP and LHP last year).
Cano would be the best option
if he can hit w/RISP. But if he continues his RISP struggles from last year, then I don’t want him hitting fifth.
Maybe if Cano proves that he can hit in the clutch as the season goes on, you can put him there. But I’d start the season with Posada as the #5 hitter.
yes
because where you bat in the batting order requires completely different skill set, this is SOOOO like asking Granderson to play Quaterback instead of a tight end !!!! or a goali instead of a foward! or a pitcher instead of a catcher!
Granderson ...
Bat Jeter #1, Granderson #2 and after that it doesn’t really matter.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
The goal for your top of the orders is to get on base, not to be fast. These are the two guys who get more plate appearances over the course of a season than just about anybody else on your team. You want them making as few outs as possible.
If Granderson turns in a .360 OBP next year, than him hitting in the #2 hole is passable, although still not ideal with the presence of Nick Johnson on the team. If Granderson shows up in 2006 or 2009 form, though, batting him #2 goes from passable to indefensible (mind, you, his 2006/09 numbers weren’t terrible, just not what you want from somebody batting that high in the lineup).
Having fast runners batting high in the order is one of those stupid baseball orthodoxies that too many people put blind faith into. This is the same kind of thinking that says you can only use your closer for one inning and not in tie games on the road. There’s no reason why, it just is, and teams are worse off for not questioning it.
With a 1/2 of Jeter and Nick Johnson, there’s a very good chance that Teixeira and A-Rod will have runners on base nearly 50% of the time when they come to bat. In fact, there’s a very good chance that the 4 players at the top of the lineup will collectively get on base over 40% of the time. THAT, not fast runners, is a recipe for scoring runs.
Things that are accepted to be true in baseball but really are a bunch of crap....
A fast guy has to hit first and last to “turn the lineup over”
Guys at the top of the lineup should steal a lot of bases
The closer is an important pitcher, and should only be used to “shut the door” in the 9th
Starting pitchers need 4 days of rest. No more, no less. Ever.
Guys at the bottom of the lineup should bunt.
Every team needs 2 lefties in the bullpen.
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
you forgot to add
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 22, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Hit and run with NJ and Jeter in the first innings of games
We have to start out with Johnson in the two hole. Nick Johnson is a great contact hitter. We’re going to see alot of “first and thirds” with nobody out in the first innings of games. ARod and Tex put up career numbers.
I wish we could continue to just show up and play for no reason. No umpires, no scorers. Just show up and have fun.
-- Alex Rodriguez
I’d be content if they just replicate their numbers from last year. We’d be pretty solid if they just as much replicate their stats from last year.
by Vancouverguy on Feb 23, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
Granderson, Jeter, Tex, ARod, Cano (he will flourish here), Posada, Johnson, Swisher, Gardner
Jeter 1st he seems to open so many games up with a hit.
Swisher 2nd good OBP faster then Johnson….takes the count to 3-2
Tex 3rd ovb
Arod 4th also ovb
5th Granderson has the power potential vs righties bats near 300 with Risp also small sample size he bats a 339 out of the 5th hole.
6th Posada sported a 310 avg 386 obp beasting it from the sixth hole
7th Cano Hes a Beast in the 7th hole he puts up his best numbers there
8th Johnson
9th Gardner turning the line up over with some speed
Granted this all base from last season.
Why all the talky talk....
Just bat Jeter first…..Tex third…..Arod forth…..and plug in everyone else where ever you want….Besides, it doesn’t matter what we think….remember, we have no input. Giradi is not going to call for your oppinions. Besides, I think we are loading up on pitching (now Park is in the mix….Like we really needed him) in order to use them to make a trade for Crawford in a few months and all this talk will be mute. If this happens, I would guess that Gardner may be part of the trade or maybe even Johnson/ or both along with some of our middle relief pitchers that we have an over abundance of.
The talk will be 'moot' not "mute."
I have my lineup recommendation form from the Yanks, and I’m supposed to return it no later than March 1st. You’re not helping.
Why are we trading for Carl Crawford?
We should trade for Grady Sizemore so we can have an outfield of Gardy, Grady, and Grandy.
by designatedquitter on Feb 26, 2010 10:01 AM EST reply actions
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